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Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 9:44:32 PM   
geozero


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Status: offline 		Was playing last night and set 1 lonely sub as human controlled, ordered it to attack shipping at a landing point in the Philippines, and that 1 lonely sub has severly damaged 4 ships in as many days.

When compared to the other dozens of AI controlled subs which have done nothing but cruise around, does it make sense to control ALL subs?

How do you do it? Do you control subs or let AI?

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 9:47:43 PM   
daft

 

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Status: offline 		I control all subs and take noted on where my subs encounter convoys. So far I've been pretty successful, but the American torpedoe issue is hampering the effort. I guess it can be somewhat of a chore to manage all the subs manually, but I've always been interested in the Silent Service so in the end it's worth the extra effort. :)

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 9:53:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really enjoy the positioning of my subs... but ouch when those bad enemy subs put fish in the sides of my poor defenseless aks

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 9:57:11 PM   
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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 10:37:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heck, Sub warfare and ASW are games within themselves. I always control them.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 10:57:12 PM   
Toro


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Status: offline 		I always control them, too. Just check their status every so often (or after they've been depth-charged) and send 'em home when they run low on fuel. In UV, I tried the computer control thing once, but found my subs constantly wandering off from where I wanted them.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 11:01:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kid

Heck, Sub warfare and ASW are games within themselves. I always control them.


Bang on!

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 11:27:47 PM   
The Gnome


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Status: offline 		I let the AI control them, but am thinking of taking a whack at controlling them now that I'm getting comfortable with the scope of the game.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/9/2004 11:56:04 PM   
von Murrin


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Status: offline 		Control them yourself. It's really not that much work, and you can mouse-over on your sub TF's to check ammo and endurance.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:00:37 AM   
geozero


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Status: offline 		I have only played 6 days of the game time but now will start controlling all subs. If I can effectively run packs into landing zone areas and damage or sink 1-2 ships per day I think I can really hurt the Japanese effort.

It's Human control now all the way.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:02:41 AM   
von Murrin


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Status: offline 		Just keep them in one sub TF's...

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:05:21 AM   
Oliver Heindorf


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Status: offline 		what I control works !

what others control, doesnt.

simple as that

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:07:41 AM   
daft

 

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Status: offline 		Be verycareful with where you send your subs. They aren't really comfortable in those shallow water hexes.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:18:34 AM   
von Murrin


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Status: offline 		Actually, as long as you keep them out of coastal hexes they won't get excessively clobbered.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:21:10 AM   
kaleun

 

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Status: offline 		In the gulf of Siam they do tend to "bottom out"

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:23:55 AM   
von Murrin


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Status: offline 		Move same sub into a coastal hex. Watch sub bottom out. Watch sub die.

They seem to do FAR worse in coastal hexes. Shallow water isn't nice, but I have them hunt there anyway for the target-rich environment.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:26:27 AM   
kaleun

 

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Status: offline 		That's right. That's where the ships are.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:26:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		You guys sound like you are in too big a rush to win the game.

There are tons of deep water areas that will be target rich after the first month or so. Remember that each sub you loose by being hasty is 10-20 merchantmen over the course of the game that will not be sunk.

< Message edited by Mr.Frag -- 7/9/2004 5:27:12 PM >

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:35:15 AM   
daft

 

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Status: offline 		I was a bit careless with my S-class boats in the first week or so, but after loosing two of them plus the Sculpin trying to sink some Japanese invasion shipping in the PI's, I learnt my lesson. Now I have a couple of deep water hexes where the pickings are good, and I never send my subs into coastal hexes.

< Message edited by daft -- 7/9/2004 10:35:50 PM >

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:47:16 AM   
von Murrin


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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

You guys sound like you are in too big a rush to win the game.

There are tons of deep water areas that will be target rich after the first month or so. Remember that each sub you loose by being hasty is 10-20 merchantmen over the course of the game that will not be sunk.


I've lost one sub and the rest are gaining experience by leaps and bounds. I could care less how many ships I sink right now; I've got roughly 1300 more turns to pave the ocean floor with merchies.

Experience, experience, and more experience.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:50:14 AM   
geozero


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Status: offline 		there are plaenty of subs to go around. I'm currently sending 1-2 to shallow, port areas where the Japs have recently invaded or are trying to invade. They have successfully damaged or sunk 2-3 ships and Jap casualties are around 200+ soldiers. Not a lot but better than nothing. The other subs I'm grouping farther out waiting for any support ships and/or reinforcements. These should be easily picked up and sunk.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 12:50:36 AM   
Grotius


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Status: offline 		I control all mine manually. It's fun!

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 1:08:11 AM   
geozero


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Status: offline 		I'm sending a sub to Tokyo...hehehehe

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 1:23:47 AM   
Ghostrider

 

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Status: offline 		I control my own, and aside from the hour I spent moving all the subs to their designated points around Japan from Manilla it has been well worth it. Right now 01 Jan 41 Japan is completely blockaded. Subs will "hopefully" return to bases I have assigned depending on geo. area Dutch Harbor, Darwin, Pearl. Just about every turn their are atleast 2 sub attacks from them, and they have put a nice amount of Maru's of the bottom.

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RE: Do you control Subs or let AI? - 7/10/2004 1:25:46 AM   
byron13


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Status: offline 		I have no doubt that human controlled subs will be more effective than the AI - if the AI doesn't cheat by looking at the convoy routes. Sub placement by the AI doesn't look bad, but all of us humans will quickly spot the favorite merchant pathways, and park our subs there for huge affect. I notice the bend in Indo-China along the coast is good, and there will be obvious pathways out of the DEI. I almost feel guilty taking control over the packs.

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