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- 1/9/2002 5:35:00 AM   
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Originally posted by Wild Bill:
If there were another Mega Campaign, what area-time frame would you like to play? Wild Bill
how about the Russian Manchurian offensive of 1945? Granted it might prove to be too much of a cakewalk for the Soviets but it seems little if any detailed attention has ever been placed on this. It would certainly be a challenge from the Kwangtung Army's viewpoint

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- 1/9/2002 6:49:00 AM   
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Originally posted by kgvm:
Even if I like infantry battles I assume that most players prefere tanks. So - with sales in mind - the Eastern Front should be the first choice. But I understand the reasoning that this can interfere with sales of CL. And that's why I second the idea of an MC of the battles in Italy. Having already a MC with US troops I would prefere a core of British, Canadian or Polish forces, but presumably - sales numbers again - an US core should sell better, just look where most of the people posting came from.
But the idea of some small MC on one CD is also very interesting.
To conclude, I would buy both.

I would buy both as well. If I could only have one, I would choose the three small MC's.

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- 1/9/2002 7:20:00 AM   
Wild Bill

 

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Status: offline 		Fascinating posts, all of them! I can see MCs for every suggestion. I would need two life-times to do them all But most of these suggestions work well with the smaller MC-type rather than the large ones. So if (a big IF) we do get that chance and interest is keen enough, we'll more than likely do Italy. You already know the reasons as I mentioned in an earlier post. I'm undecided about the forces but I believe we could include even as aux units many of the Allied forces involved. How many countries attacked Monte Cassino. I know the Americans, British, New Zealanders, Australians, Polish, Indian,and Jewish all had a try at it. Now that would definitely be a UN kind of war! While on the subject of Mega Campaigns, here is an announcement. For those who have received MC-W, I wanted to let you know that we have made a patch so that you can see the parked aircraft on Henderson Field and the Japanese seaplanes. The campaign will play just find without them but in some instances they are nice to have, such as attacks on parked aircraft on Henderson Field This will be issued by David Heath shortly and will be announced on the forum. If any of you already have MC-W and want these files, write me. You simply unzip them and put them into your SHP directory inside your SPWAW folder. Sorry for the inconvencience. Wild Bill

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- 1/9/2002 10:06:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Got your point, Bill. But as far as I can tell, the snag about the Italy campaign in regards to the various nationalities is the infantry characteristics of each nationality. Because the game only allows for one overall 'national characteristic' for a side, correct? That means if it's an 'American' campaign, the British infantry really can't be represented as to their tenacity. And it would be that way for whatever infantry is plugged in. Poles and Gurkhas would really be American, or Amis and Gurkhas would really be Brits. Whatever the case. Although armor and airpower could be done rather well with multi-nationalities.

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- 1/9/2002 10:29:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ugh, only now I see this thread . Hope I'm still in time for some more: 1 - Russian from the invasion til Moscow (almost all delay battles in that MC). 2 - Finns (should be wonderful to fight an attrition MC. 3 - KG Peiper in battle for the Bulge (very strategic MC I would imagine - lots of "should I go for this road or should I go for this road" ). 4 - 101st Airbourne (Normandy, Arnheim, the Bulge) - should be interesting a MC with lots of air drops...

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- 1/9/2002 10:48:00 AM   
Mark Ezra

 

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Status: offline 		I'v given this a bit of thought: From a creative POV doing a "What if" based on some historic background would be fun for the design team. The two most obvious choices would be Sea Lion and Operation Olympic.

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- 1/9/2002 1:36:00 PM   
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Say what about a 9th Army Campain, starting with Anvil/Dragoon. (I think that's the right Army)

Pbear, I think you are talking about the 7th Army. I would like to see this one too. There were several Free French engagments in this area using US equipment

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- 1/9/2002 4:49:00 PM   
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Originally posted by Wild Bill:
How many countries attacked Monte Cassino. I know the Americans, British, New Zealanders, Australians, Polish, Indian,and Jewish all had a try at it.
Wild Bill
French, Moroccans, Algerians.
they were a bit decisive http://www.accessweb.com/users/rbereznicki/over.html-ssi

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- 1/9/2002 5:26:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		long time away - been in South Afirca and Poland - anyway - Ive offered efore to do a Sealion MC (with a little help) - i currently have about 50 battles done - its well researched - but last time i offered i got a P*ss poor response - even from WB and PW - if you guys dont want it fine - ill enjoy it myself - if you do let me know and maybe we can make it happen ...... - up to you guys
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- 1/9/2002 8:14:00 PM   
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Originally posted by bchapman:
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Pbear, I think you are talking about the 7th Army. I would like to see this one too. There were several Free French engagments in this area using US equipment
Well I was close 7th is only two less than 9th.

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- 1/9/2002 8:58:00 PM   
Unknown_Enemy

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry, but it was the 5th US army that incorporated the free frensh mountain infantry, not the 7th army. It was indeed this unit that made the breakthrought on the side of Mnt Casino's defense line.

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- 1/9/2002 8:59:00 PM   
Unknown_Enemy

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry, but it was the 5th US army that incorporated the free frensh mountain infantry, not the 7th army. It was indeed this unit that made the breakthrought on the side of Mnt Casino's defense line.

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- 1/10/2002 1:20:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is an idea for a mini-campaign: The Japanese invasion of Attu and Kiska, the only invasion of U.S. territory during WW II. Part of the Japanese decoy opperation associated with the battle of Midway, this often forgotten chapter of the history of WW II would make an interesting mini-campaign. (Assuming it hasn't already been made into one.) Eric Maietta

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- 1/10/2002 1:21:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Correction: I should have said the invasion of Attu and Kiska was the only invasion of the mainland U.S. during WW II. Eric Maietta

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- 1/10/2002 2:49:00 AM   
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Originally posted by AbsntMndedProf:
Here is an idea for a mini-campaign: The Japanese invasion of Attu and Kiska, the only invasion of U.S. territory during WW II. Part of the Japanese decoy opperation associated with the battle of Midway, this often forgotten chapter of the history of WW II would make an interesting mini-campaign. (Assuming it hasn't already been made into one.) Eric Maietta
If you want a campaign covering the Japanese invasion:
On Attu, the American forces defending the island consisted of an elderly scholteacher and his wife.
Kiska is another topic - a lieutennent and ten men were captured there.
I don't think that you can talk matrix into making a MC about this . I think that you talk about the recapture of Attu. That would be a great campaign. It was one of the bloodiest fightings in the PTO. Anyway, if Matrix mke a MC covering Mont Cassino, I will buy it.
If they make a MC covering the capture of Attu, I will buy it.
If they make a MC covering [put in any battle/campaign], I will buy it. Kind regards,
Roland

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- 1/10/2002 3:56:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys and gals : Lets keep these suggestions in campaigns that CAN NOT be made in regular campaign editor. With inbuilt editors you can do 75% of these great battles and suggestions. Sure there is possibility to do smaller MCs if allowed, I am not saying that, but thinking about MC and its structure, it demands more possibilities and differend paths than week or two lasting battles do offer. It can be done, but it would be waste of engine and its capabilities. For example Ubertechies own work, Sealion, has according his words already 50 battles built. That is alot of work. ( Gongrats, pal ) Think about it a while... Without better knowledge of these scenarios: If they are independent scenarios that are tight-depending of results, it cuts actuall battles, (ones that gamer sees) to 1/3 or even 1/6, -of 50. Not much to fight ? If these scenarios are not diverting anywhere, it would need at least 100 differend variations of each scenario, if attached to a MC. Does that campaign and events around it provide so much material that it want be just slight changes to base scenario? Does it feed designers imagination to do it from bottom of a heart? Is it worth of hundreds of hours of work from 20 -50 people? Ubertechie has nothing to do with this post, it was taken as an example by me. mosh

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- 1/10/2002 4:24:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have always just loved nearly desperate defence battles, like Germans defending against Soviet assault at spring 1945. And vice versa - crushing the enemy with your spearhead gives certain satisfaction. Therefore my vote goes for Eastern Front - however, minor countries should be shown more in the game. They also played their part.

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- 1/10/2002 4:43:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Italian Campaign, great. West Front from either side, great, although as Germans ya might get tired of the Jabos after a while. Say a WF cmpgn on Panzer Lehr or Kampfgruppe Von Luck from Normandy to the Rhine would be kool. However I'm sure others would like to see something from the Allied or Soviet side. Also I agree that CL and Ca should be the priority right now.
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- 1/10/2002 5:26:00 AM   
Tombstone

 

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Status: offline 		As far as big mega-campaigns I think we should represent Soviet and UK as playable. For those I think that a Soviet 1944 Bagration to Berlin mega-campaign could easily be the largest craziest yet. For the UK you could make a real enjoyable game of UK from Normandy to Market Garden or something. Italy does seem like a logical choice as well... Everything else seems like it would have to be a 'small' mega-campaign. Yugoslavia to Greece in Op Marita would be cool. I also think a small mega campaign about GD at Kursk, or 2nd SS PzCorp at Kursk. Tomo

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- 1/10/2002 5:44:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Roland posted: I think that you talk about the recapture of Attu. That would be a great campaign. It was one of the bloodiest fightings in the PTO. I stand corrected. (Btw: I had a junior high school teacher who was a retired bird colonel of the USMC. I think he would have given the Japanese a run for their money on Attu! ) I would also be more than willing to buy any MC of the Italian campaign, from the invasion of Sicily, to Anzio, to Monte Cassino, and anything in between! Eric Maietta

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- 1/10/2002 9:18:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry if I am being "practical", but given the poor response to the latest MC...shouldn't the focus be on potential sales. Most MC's will be sold in the States...a popular US unit is likely to sell well...the MC would follow that unit through its battles in a number or theatres...the desert, italy, western europe...I don't know which would be best...the big red one, 1st armourmed or 101 Airborne...european battles would be preferable due to the armour. If the intention is to sell only to the converted, then a mini-campaign or winter war would be as good as any...but to attract new buyers, the potential buying public needs to be identified, and a product built that caters both to the new and the old. As a SPWAW die-hard, I would love a single campaign from start to finish, like Italy...but I would gues US customers would be more likely to buy "Battles of America's own 101st" than "MC Italian Campaign".

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- 1/10/2002 11:33:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being an American, I can say for myself - no. American force action gets overdone - it's in every WW2 game. I am interested in what the British faced when attacking up the Italian penisula. Hey, the majority of Euro-Americans are of British descent anyways.

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- 1/10/2002 12:03:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		U.S. forces will NOT influence me to purchase a M/C. In fact, it would be a deterrant. I would like to see something different! Soviet
Finland (either Winter War or Continuation)
Axis Allies
Canadian or Anzac
Etc, etc

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- 1/10/2002 11:47:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		or how about a us/russian invasion of the japanese mainland....

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- 1/11/2002 1:09:00 AM   
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Originally posted by skukko: - edited

For example Ubertechies own work, Sealion, has according his words already 50 battles built. That is alot of work. ( Gongrats, pal ) Think about it a while... Without better knowledge of these scenarios: If they are independent scenarios that are tight-depending of results, it cuts actuall battles, (ones that gamer sees) to 1/3 or even 1/6, -of 50. Not much to fight ? If these scenarios are not diverting anywhere, it would need at least 100 differend variations of each scenario, if attached to a MC. Does that campaign and events around it provide so much material that it want be just slight changes to base scenario? Does it feed designers imagination to do it from bottom of a heart? mosh
Thanks for the congrats - a bit of further info and to answer a few questions.
there are 50 battles as in 50 different area maps - most of these have at least 2 (some as many as 5) possible variations (not yet completed but storyboarded) - Whilst i agree that it may not be enough to produce a MC big enough to be sold - im doing it because i live in the area and it is of particluar interest to me and furhter its a way of Paying for SPWAW by giving something back - KUDOS to MATRIX for having hte balls to do it in the 1st place and felt that the normal campaign tools just didnt allow me to create the campaign i wanted to I have plenty of material to support this campaign - pictures etc and am willing to do the work - but as the MC tools are not in the PD then i cant - what do i do next ? - i cant build a MC without them - i have even previously offered to sign a NDA/liscence for a 1 time use - no avail - i understand that they are IP for matrix but dont know the way forward - any comments WB or MATRIX ? Thanks
Ubertechie

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- 1/11/2002 1:28:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to see (..or help design) a Brit or Canadian side campaign for ETO 44/45 either NWE or Italy, starting with sicily.
Also a soviet side campaign from 1943 onward would be great! __________
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- 1/11/2002 2:19:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		My two euro's: 1- Winter War through Continuation and Lapland Wars
2- Norway Campaign
3- Chindits/"Merrill's Marauders" in China, Burma, India I personally don't agree with the "huge is better" philosophy. I could've generated a Russian Campaign in '41-42 or North Africa '41-43 (and have), but that didn't stop me from enjoying the Mega-Campaigns based on both of those theaters...

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- 1/11/2002 2:20:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Excuse me for being a pain, but sometimes I get p***ed. RockinHarry, you are not an english-speaker, so no excuse: what is ETO and NWE? !"$"$%$/&/)(/)=?(=?(("%%/&)=

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- 1/11/2002 5:52:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		ETO = European Theater of Operations
NWE = ??? @Grumble: do you think your ideas are so much more valuable than others? 2 Euros = 200 cent, while everybody else only gives his two cents!

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- 1/11/2002 5:53:00 PM   
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Originally posted by RichardTheFirst:
Excuse me for being a pain, but sometimes I get p***ed. RockinHarry, you are not an english-speaker, so no excuse: what is ETO and NWE? !"$"$%$/&/)(/)=?(=?(("%%/&)=
ETO= European Theatre of Operations
NWE= not sure but I guess for: North West Europe

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