Slitherine

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Originally posted by Karl Brommann:
correct the message when you fire a panther or a jgpz IV gun, it says "L 707" instead of "L 70". why not include a editor for the units in the 7.1 version? so you can change and add units your selfe.

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Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
We are currently working on a fix to the "synch bug" and a few issues with the two player campaign (most notably when done online). We are also looking into a way to address one aspect of the artillery delay issue, but I not sure if the fix will pan out. What has been fixed in the current test build is: 1) too many men fire primary inf weapons - this has been corrected so only primary inf weapons in SLOT 1 are fired multiple times. Also a suppression componant has been added so supression reduces the number of "multiple men" firing. This should help the problem of unsuppressed defenders taking excessive losses because suppressed attackers still attack with the same number of men as unsuppressed units. Likewise this reduces this will reduce teh casualties taken when an attacking force has a significnat numerical superiority and suppresses the daylights out of defenders. This will in general increase the effectiveness of preparatory and overwatcing fires. The effect is now: Roll DIE(200) for each man in the squad , if the result is less than (experience-(suppression/2)) the man fires. The result is added to the base of at least 1 man always firing. 2) Flame weapons are too destructive: Flame weapons has a base 60% chance of penetration vice "automatic" penetration. 3) APCR T/d calcualtion incorrect: Repaired. This reduces the effectiveness in undermatched engagements (ie armor significantly greater than projectile diameter) 4) Slope effect on effective resistance tweaked slightly upward. (this makes the effective resistance slightly higher) 5) Modified the ricochet routine to do a check for "shatter gap" tendency (though with a significant randon element) based on the chance of shatter starting at about T/d = .75 and reaching max at about 1.25. Penetration to effective resistance ratio ramps from a minimum at ramping up linearly from 1.01 to max at 1.11 and at the high end more variably in a "hump" centered at 1.25 but having significant tails form about 1.10 up to 1.4. Note the max shatter probability is capped at .5 and testing has shown it generaly much less, but wanted to include this effect as part of the ricochet routine. 6)Introduced a more linear variabilty into vulnerable location hits, The chance ramps up from 300m on in rather than a step function at range 150. 7) Bit the bullet and added a rudimentory "armor quality" function that works a lot better than the thickness germandering I tried to do. Since the effective resistance of high hardness or cast armor had a bigger T/d dependance than I originally thought. For those complaining about this I have come around to the error of my ways The "Skirts" data element in the OOBs is now coded like radio to allow 5 different armor types: 0,1,2,3 Single digit gives the vehicle 0, 10, 20 , or 30mm skirts on Flank hits. Vehice is assumed to have MOSTLY "normal" 240 BHN RHA type armor 10,11,12,13 As above but armor is superior quality to "regualar" RHA. 20,21,22,23 As above but vehicle has "high hardness" armor of moderate quality. 30,31,32,33 As above but has "high hardness" armor of poor quality. 40,41,42,43 As above but armor is cast. Now these categories are a bit vague, but allow for inclusion of T/d into the quality equation, namely that armor deficiency is most pronounced when siginiicantly overmatched, and in the case of high hardness can actually be a benefit when the T/d is high. This means that 37 vs T-34 will be generally ineffective, 50mm will be a wash with the "old values" and 75 and 88 in particular will see less effective resistance. This will allow the enhanced effect of 75mm and 88mm rounds without giving the 50 and in particular 37mm APCR a free ride. I am presently updating the vehicel stats with this additional value. ARmor values have been restored to v6 standards, in the case of some vehicels penalized for cast armor, enhanced. (KV, IS and Churchill types the most effected. THis allows for an appropriate T/d to be calculated based on actual armor thickness, and not a reduced value. I am also changing some of teh front hull values to a more uniform use of "most significant plate" with a slope modifier if a more vulnerable plate is present, again so T/d calculations are not skewed. This works withthe change in vulnerable loaction hits to allow for "lessor" plates to be engaged with more range dependance (its hard to hit them outside 300m, but much easier at 1 hex) This OOB update will take me another week or so to get done with. I have instituted the updates Alby had made form the threads here and the mortar changes (less some the extr FO's).

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Originally posted by melcer:
Good work! Don't let it delay CL to much though. The armour fix and the addition of shatter gap (I followed the discussion on the OOB forum with interrest) is very appreciated. It will be interresting to see how it turns out. Melcer

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Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
Nik, yes a single man shooting a "shot" is more than one round and can kill more than one enemy (also remeber that "casualties" are combat ineffectives so a single shot that "kills" 3 may have wounded one man who is being carried to the rear by two buddies who are out of the action also. Contact me offline about the build you are using. My interpretation is that if armor from a typically destroyed German vehicle (often blown out with explosives, cut out, or subject to intense heat of burnout) performs as well as US test plate that that indicates some degree of superiority. Though such tests are suspect in any case becasue of what the armor was subjected too before testing. I put more credence in the German test results, on more "virgin" armor. Always the Tiger mantlet...well I did a little "area average" albeit crude and came up with 164 as the average (accounting for the not insignificant overlp areas, though discounting them somewhat for edge effect...) Given penetration variability can be 9% a 135 pen round has a good chance if it gets a "vulnerable area hit" The implementation of shatter gap is done in a similar fashion to ricochet. There is no "absolute" in fact I may have made it too obcure... I use Lorrin's diagram as "fuzzy boundaries" with probability of occurance increasing as you move to the interior. I have 50/50 chance superimposed on the whole thing so the absolute probabilty is never more than 50%. That can be adjusted based on reports. Ricochets are uncommonenough ingeneral and the effect is so range dependant that it may be difficult to see it in many situations. I need to do more "shooting gallery" tests to tweak the effect... It should happen enough to be annoying when the range is correct, but not act as a "shield wall" to "game". That is why so much randomness in the implementation, it will be possible to figure out "range notches" where shatter gap may tend to help, but it will never be a remotely sure thing.

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Originally posted by orsha:
I recall lorrin saying that good quality cast armor has around 10-15% reduced resistance of RHA armor. If the tiger has a minimun mantlet thickness of 90-150mm + 100mm turret armour, the 159mm looks a bit on the low end. Another figure of 179mm was used before.

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Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
THe fix would be to remove the save buttoin so you don't save after a scenario is over. You can refrain form doing this (save before you "end turn" the last time" and then after you start the next game).

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Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
The save game menu pops up if any of the players save the game (though it is best to have one player save and them email that file since the files can get out of synch.) I don't think its related. But are you saying that the save game menu appears when no player saves?

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Originally posted by Charles_22:
said that men in halftracks, as opposed to men in open terrain, would suffer only 1/10 the losses, while those in trucks only 1/4.[/QB]

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It was odinary tracks that they were driving with, 254 mm arty should make som supression if it hits in the same hex.

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