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not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/8/2004 7:24:36 PM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		Hi I in Camp 43 to 46

I sent two FG's to Goodenough island, first turn ran a sweep to Rabaul and all was fine, then for the next week, they will not fly, when I check on them, I got Sweep as mission, but no target listed, I set the target, and the turn, nothing happens, check again the next day, and no target

one thing I do see, is I got a split off group of planes back at PM, wonder if they are screwing up the sweep mission, this turn, I loaded both split unit onto AK's and am shipping them to Goodenough

(time for bed, so can't see if the units fly this turn, the split off units loading)

also twice now(trail run yesterday, playing the game today), I have sent the 475th FG to Dorabuna (?) and after it gets there, it has no planes, the next day the split unit shows up, with all the planes damaged, I tried to put them on a AK, but they wouldn't load

????

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/11/2004 8:15:51 PM   
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From: garfield hts ohio usa
Status: offline 		Well started a new game, Campaign 43 to 46

first turn move 2 FG's of 38's to Goodenough island and run sweeps, , close to 30 days later, not another sweep is flown, plot the mission during the day and no mission is flown, end of day, no target for the FG's

B-24's out of PM, other bombers out of Dorabora, plot bomb raid on Lae (?) they bomb the next AF over, end of day, not target is assigned

try to bomb Cities/ports from PM, no missions flown or target assigned in the morning

China, same story over and over again, can't plot raids to Ports or City targets (well, can plot them, they won't fly them)

also haveing trouble in NG with plotting LRCap, they plot, just won't fly to target or hang on to target for the next turn

this all works on the first turn, it is afterward, the units won't hold onto there targets or follow orders

even rushed a AF HQ up to PM, but it didn't help

??????????

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/11/2004 8:54:10 PM   
Hard Sarge


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From: garfield hts ohio usa
Status: offline 		for what it is worth, went back in, I can bomb Rabaul, from Cannel, but not from NG

I can hit Rabaul if I do a Naval attack, but the port/AF attack/city will not fly from NG

on the other side, looks like the port and AF attack will fly from Cannel, but the city attack never left the ground

(got to recheck the rules to see if there is a time limit on when Mining ports start ?)

HARD_Sarge

sooooo, I just moved a 38 FG and a 24 BG over to the Southpac command, from southwestpac

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/11/2004 9:01:42 PM   
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(got to recheck the rules to see if there is a time limit on when Mining ports start ?)


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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/12/2004 2:28:48 PM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		Roger, seen that when I went back to the rules

is anybody else having any trouble with bombing Cities ?

may it be only the 43 Campaign that is having trouble ? (or me)

I'll check today to see if I can mine any Ports from Cannel or not, and see if the Southpac can run sweeps

really screws up the game if you can't run sweeps, LRCap or bomb City hexes !

(hmmm, Strange, I also having trouble with NG at bombing the Right AF, it might be something with knowing there are defending forces there?, but I can put some 100-120 38's into the air and the target is only putting some 19 Zero's up, been trying for two weeks to bomb Lea, looks like the Oscars were pulled out and then I plastered it, but as long as the Oscars were there, my bombers wouldn't hit it)

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/12/2004 7:09:34 PM   
Hard Sarge


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From: garfield hts ohio usa
Status: offline 		Okay, my 24's from Cannel can do everything they are suppost to, my 24's from NG, can't or won't

my 38's that flew from Munda, can fly Sweeps, my 38's from Goodenough, Dorabuna, or PM can't or won't

my LBA from Southpac, attack and/or follow orders based on what I tell them to do

my LBA from Southwestpac, don't follow orders, and or changes orders during the turn

also, out of the blue, one of the islands I was reinforceing (the one next to goodenough, kisasomething, built a ton of LCT's, I give them new home islands and told them to return (can't cover them with no LRCap being followed)

one TF, each time it reaches it's home port, changes it's home port and tries to return to San Fan (give it a auto disband order this time, so maybe when it hits port it will

also strange, got a 9 plane squadron of SBD's at Munda, get a report of getting 36 replancement SBD at Munda, go look, and the 9 plane squadron, has 36 planes ???????

also, none of my Air in China will follow orders (so I gave it back to the AI)

and last, one or two of the Transport Groups, is sending single planes all over the place

any ideas

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/13/2004 5:59:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've had the same problem in the 1944 scenario. The B-24s sitting in the Admiralty Islands refuse to fly any mission anywhere and whatever target I give them gets reset to the AI.

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/13/2004 3:28:12 PM   
Hard Sarge


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From: garfield hts ohio usa
Status: offline 		Thanks for replying

at least somebody else is seeing something like this also

now to try and see if it is a base, or a HQ setting thing

HARD_Sarge

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/13/2004 5:10:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like another UV legacy issue. The bug of the same kind spoiled one of my UV pbems, 3 IJN bomber daitais in Rabaul refused to fly any combat missions (only ASW and search), I’ve tried a lot of tricks but all failed. No such WitP experience so far

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/14/2004 10:40:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hard Sarge: Back after a couple days outta town and I'm gonna try shifting bases and headquarters and see if there's a happy result.

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/15/2004 2:19:04 PM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		Hi Robert
I moved one of the 38 groups up to Munda, and two 24's groups over to Luna and changed them to south pac, and all are flying well (well 1 24 is left as is to see if it is the base or the HQ) but still am not sure which is doing what

but basicly, the groups flying from Southpac bases, seem to be flying there orders, while units flying from Southwestpac do not

southwestpac C-47's won't fly, last turn I set some from Southpac to see if they would, will see today

HARD_Sarge

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/15/2004 5:08:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll play around with that and see if it has an affect.
One thought I had was that the Libs might need a base size of 6 in order to fly -- longer runways, I suppose. The weird things, tho, is that the PB4Ys at the same base will launch strikes.

Also, I noticed that there are a couple other threads talking about air groups that won't fly.

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/15/2004 7:09:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had a situation where the dutch transport squadrons in the DEI were set to pickup a base unit I had transferred to SE Asia command. THey picked up most of the unit, but then stopped doing so. Every turn (for awhile) I would set them to pickup the unit and the AI would reset them during the turn to delivering supplies. There were more ground troops in that base unit that were ready to be collected, but those transport squadrons wouldn't do it (it was not just the vehicles remaining).

I have now sent a TF to colllect the rest of that base unit and am using the transports to forward the first portion of that base unit to another location (to which the TF will take the remains).

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/16/2004 8:31:55 PM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		okay some background
start the 43 to 46 campaign, first day move the 35th FG to Goodenough, and plot a sweep to Rabaul

they did great, claiming some 29 kills with the other FG getting 15 or so

the rest of the week, no sweeps were flown

some ships coming into the area, so they are broken off of Sweep and put on LRCap, the JP try to pound the TF, no fightes are in the air

once the ships reach, Kisajima (?) the LRCap target is changed to the island, for 3 days, no cap is flown

try some more sweeps, no missions are flown, change them to ecourt, target of Rabaul, only when some raids try to attack shipping in the area of Rabaul do they take off

decide, that maybe, they need to be based on the same base as the bombers to really fly a good cover mission, they been sitting at Dorobuna for over a week, with out flying, got 60 ready planes and they won't fly nowhere

change them to the Southpac HQ, plot a Sweep to Rabaul

there kill total now stands at 59

in this campaign at least, looks like any order with a target will not be flown by Southwestpac airgroups (except first day ?)

seeing the same thing in all the commands in CBI area

North, Central and South, are follow orders to the letter

one of the things I notice in the Southpac, maybe weather, lack of targets, what not, the unit may not fly that day, but the target remains in there orders, in Southwestpac/CBI groups, give them a target, the next day, they still have the same orders, but no target is listed (really a pain if your trying to bust AF's or Cities)

HARD_Sarge

Really would of liked to of been able to drop the 503rd Para's when I wanted them to

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/17/2004 7:59:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even more fun
the 35th FG, after having been changed to Southpac and following orders, the AI/program/game decides to put them back in the Southwestpac (so much for all the PP paid to put them where I Wanted)

for upgradeing planes, don't understand the VR squadrons having Hellcats and Helldivers and I can't use any of them for my combat squadrons (also, would kind of like my Marines to be flying the F4u4 instead of Hellcats)

also, shouldn't units with 70 or so planes, have 70 pilots to go with them ?, got 140 K of supply, and the HQ, based at the same base, seems like the unit could get some pilots (got 600 of them in the pool)
(by the numbers it should show that the FG/BG are having trouble getting pilots)

HARD_Sarge

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/17/2004 8:51:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The VR Squadrons are replacements - meant to replace front-line CV TF aircraft in a replacement TF.....

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/17/2004 10:40:54 PM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		Hi Brad
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what do VR squadrons have to do with FG or BG's ?

maybe you misread (or I miswrote) what I mean, I got Fighter Groups with close to 72 planes, but only 30 pilots, and got BG's with 50-60 planes and 30 pilots

which I got 7 times the 20 K in supplys at the base and got some 600 pilots in the pool

HARD_Sarge

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/17/2004 11:00:42 PM   
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I got Fighter Groups with close to 72 planes, but only 30 pilots, and got BG's with 50-60 planes and 30 pilots


Please try a transfer of the group. It should force pull the missing pilots instantly.

I'm a little baffled where you got aircraft without pulling pilots when they were repaired though. That happens automatically.

Can you detail what you have done with the groups?

Are there fragments of the group running around somewhere else that contain excess pilots?

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 6:44:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

okay some background
start the 43 to 46 campaign, first day move the 35th FG to Goodenough, and plot a sweep to Rabaul

they did great, claiming some 29 kills with the other FG getting 15 or so


What other FG? Are you referring to the 8th FG at PM?

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the rest of the week, no sweeps were flown

some ships coming into the area, so they are broken off of Sweep and put on LRCap, the JP try to pound the TF, no fightes are in the air

once the ships reach, Kisajima (?) the LRCap target is changed to the island, for 3 days, no cap is flown

try some more sweeps, no missions are flown, change them to ecourt, target of Rabaul, only when some raids try to attack shipping in the area of Rabaul do they take off

decide, that maybe, they need to be based on the same base as the bombers to really fly a good cover mission, they been sitting at Dorobuna for over a week, with out flying, got 60 ready planes and they won't fly nowhere

change them to the Southpac HQ, plot a Sweep to Rabaul

there kill total now stands at 59

in this campaign at least, looks like any order with a target will not be flown by Southwestpac airgroups (except first day ?)

seeing the same thing in all the commands in CBI area

North, Central and South, are follow orders to the letter

one of the things I notice in the Southpac, maybe weather, lack of targets, what not, the unit may not fly that day, but the target remains in there orders, in Southwestpac/CBI groups, give them a target, the next day, they still have the same orders, but no target is listed (really a pain if your trying to bust AF's or Cities)

I just tried a test game of scenario 12 (43-46) and ran it for a week. I played as the Allies vs Jap AI and paid close attention to what happened with the SWPAC and SOPAC commands.

I transfered 35th FG to Goodenough and ordered it to sweep Rabaul as you described. It performed exactly as it should, conducting a sweep 6 of the 7 days in the test (the off day was due to weather). I also gave 8th FG sweep orders for Rabaul after deciding you'd tried that too. It flew sweep every day. At no point did these air units lose Rabaul as their sweep target.

I also had no trouble with getting other air units from SWPAC to fly CAP or escort, smash bases and sink ships. They all pretty much did as ordered on day one and every other day of the test. No target settings were ever lost.

However, I'm using the latest patch that's currently being tested (not yet available to the public). It would be good if someone else with the public release version of WitP gave scenario 12 a try for a few days of game play. Just moving the 35th FG to Goodenough and ordering a sweep should be enough to establish whether the current public scenario 12 has any problems.

Have you applied any patches since you got the game? Have you set any of the Allied control zones to computer control?

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 8:58:23 AM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		hi Frag
no, no sub groups around, had to transfer planes one or two at a time till the unit was all back together

all units in question, have been moved to a different base at least once, some 2 or 3 times

HARD_Sarge

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 9:07:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		the other FG's in NG are the 8th and the 475th

for me, everything works, the first day, after that all the units lose there target

I got both of the patches (not sure if the game was started after the patch or not)

game was started with North, Central, South and Southwest under my control, put the rest under computer

HARD_Sarge

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 9:41:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

the other FG's in NG are the 8th and the 475th

for me, everything works, the first day, after that all the units lose there target

I got both of the patches (not sure if the game was started after the patch or not)

game was started with North, Central, South and Southwest under my control, put the rest under computer

HARD_Sarge


When you get a chance, plot some missions for SWPAC air units and then switch all your control zones to human control. Then run the turn and see what happens.

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 1:31:34 PM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		Well
couldn't tell if the game in question was started before or after the patch was DL

so I had started up another one to watch and it seemed to work the way it was suppost to (but I kept Computer control off)

so....

to make sure everything I got is run, using the 110c patch, I deleted my saves, and started over

greeeesh, 2 hours, been plotting and only down to Southwest pac (started northpac and moved clockward)

once I get the first turn set up and saved, then I can try it with computer control on and off, to see if that was the hassle or the patch

(I was slow in getting the patch, as I didn't have the 722 error or trouble with sound, later seen, that we should get it anyway, but dates on the saves and DL are pretty close, so can't be sure which one was started up first)

HARD_Sarge

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 4:05:40 PM   
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okay, running a patched game
no commands are under computer control

first day, every thing runs like a champ (35th FG sweeps and gets 30 kills !, 8th FG sweeps and gets 19 kills)left the 2 38 FG's at PM

(none of the 24's in South/Southwest flew there missions, but still got the right targets, weather ?)

CBI all flew to there targets

day 2
move the 18th FG over to Dorabuna, and set to sweep, they get pounded, but give better then they get

8th and 35th do not fly, and have lost there targets

the rest of the units in NG or CBI still show as holding there targets still

(had to shuffle a F4u4 unit over to Goodenough, so I got something I know will fly LRCap, got some ships out in the open and don't know what the 38's are going to do next)

I shut all the 38's down this turn, Fat is under 20, but will rest them a day and see if they follow orders the next

475th FG is still in OZ resting up

HARD_Sarge

dang was looking so good too

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 4:47:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, see how you go.

The only time I normally see air units losing their target destinations is when I transfer them to another base. It shouldn't be happening in the circumstances you are describing.

If you have no luck, we'll have to get you to send a save.

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 6:37:39 PM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		Strange so far
the next day, reset the target for the 8th and 35th FG, and two days later, they are still following orders

over all all is good, but did get a one turn drop

have gotten a P-40 to fly LRCap, will look to see if the transport will work

looks (?) like something maybe changing the orders ?

but over all, this time around, the game is very playable

HARD_Sarge

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 7:38:17 PM   
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move the 18th FG over to Dorabuna, and set to sweep, they get pounded, but give better then they get


Dobo's got a problem ... it's a AF but it should be a base. It might be confusing the computer control.

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RE: not sure if bug, but FG's keep dropping there target - 7/18/2004 9:59:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yea I seen that, but in my case, it is under my control, so the Computer control shouldn't be the hassle

(unless, you mean, the game has trouble with it)

:)

so far so good though, only about 8 days in, but only 2 units dropped orders, but started following them the next turn

HARD_Sarge

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