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evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/18/2004 6:54:10 AM

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I've been playing Rising Sun scenario, Japan vs AI and several times have tried to order fast transports to pick up land units on non-base hexes. The manual indicates this is possible and the task force shows that it has orders to pick-up that unit, but it just sits there. This has occured several times and I've tried different ways and no luck. Am I doing something wrong or is this a bug? Thanks!

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/18/2004 9:01:05 AM

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last time I tried this it worked fine for me. Can you outline exactly what steps you are doing so that I can try and reproduce, and/or verify if you are doing it wrong

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/18/2004 7:30:37 PM

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I have a fast transport tf in Ambonia. It has no cargo and has all its op points. There is a small land unit, smaller than the load capacity of the task force in the non-base hex just to the southeast. I select the command load troops and then pick up unit. I believe the hex is 40,74 (don't have game open) and I select that unit. The tf now says it has orders to pick up that unit. It never moves. What am I doing wrong? Thanks.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/19/2004 10:06:15 AM

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last time I tried this it worked fine for me. Can you outline exactly what steps you are doing so that I can try and reproduce, and/or verify if you are doing it wrong

I'm having trouble with fast transport as well. Particularly on pick-up missions. A large TF at Rangoon was dispatched to retrieve 1 of 5 units down the coast (cut-off by the Japanese). Results of the turn has the selected unit 95% gone. I mean gone. Not in the ships, not at either the target or home base. Just gone. Instead, the TF was back at Rangoon, each ship having a small amount of supplies on board. As if the unit was picked-up and then CONVERTED into supplies. Talk about your meat grinder........

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/19/2004 3:02:07 PM

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last time I tried this it worked fine for me. Can you outline exactly what steps you are doing so that I can try and reproduce, and/or verify if you are doing it wrong

I'm having trouble with fast transport as well. Particularly on pick-up missions. A large TF at Rangoon was dispatched to retrieve 1 of 5 units down the coast (cut-off by the Japanese). Results of the turn has the selected unit 95% gone. I mean gone. Not in the ships, not at either the target or home base. Just gone. Instead, the TF was back at Rangoon, each ship having a small amount of supplies on board. As if the unit was picked-up and then CONVERTED into supplies. Talk about your meat grinder........

I had a similar experience: A FT was tasked to pick up the Rabaul batalion, after the japanese had taken the base. The FT arrived the same day the units were pushed further back towards Gasmata. The next day it was only carrying supplies back to Gili Gili and now the batalion was nowhere to be seen. It still existed though, it retreated back to Gasmata with the baseforce unit when the japanese attacked again. I just couldn't see it.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/19/2004 3:06:20 PM

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do you have a save from before it happened? If so send it to me and I will see if I can replicate

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/19/2004 5:37:37 PM

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No save here, sorry.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/19/2004 9:20:31 PM

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I am not sure what you need the save for. I've tried it several times with different task forces and it doesn't work. But let me know where to send the file and I will send you my current game and you can try it yourself. Thanks!

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/20/2004 12:58:01 PM

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paul.harrison50@bigpond.com is my email

but I just tested it again and it worked fine for me. I tested to see if there was any effect if the unit being picked up was greater or less than the size available on the ships as well and both worked. I am on a slightly different version than you guys though, so send me the save and Ill have a look and see if I can reproduce in your game.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/20/2004 6:07:48 PM

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paul.harrsion50@bigpond.com is my email

but I just tested it again and it worked fine for me. I tested to see if there was any effect if the unit being picked up was greater or less than the size available on the ships as well and both worked. I am on a slightly different version than you guys though, so send me the save and Ill have a look and see if I can reproduce in your game.

Try picking up a unit at a base under siege by enemy LCU. At least that was the situation the two time out of two tries it has failed for me.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/20/2004 6:22:31 PM

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Question.....the forces you were trying to pick up were NOT part of a RESTRICTED COMMAND were they? Rabaul is Aussie command and no loading of troops......Amboina is USAFFE which is also restricted.....possible cause?????

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/20/2004 8:34:22 PM

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Question.....the forces you were trying to pick up were NOT part of a RESTRICTED COMMAND were they? Rabaul is Aussie command and no loading of troops......Amboina is USAFFE which is also restricted.....possible cause?????

For me they were Southeast Asia command. Not restricted.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/20/2004 8:59:25 PM

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paul.harrsion50@bigpond.com is my email

but I just tested it again and it worked fine for me. I tested to see if there was any effect if the unit being picked up was greater or less than the size available on the ships as well and both worked. I am on a slightly different version than you guys though, so send me the save and Ill have a look and see if I can reproduce in your game.

Paul, I just sent you my save file for the game in question. Thanks!

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/20/2004 9:07:11 PM

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OK DP.....just checking.....

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/20/2004 9:10:25 PM

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I was having similar trouble last night, but it's possible that the troops in question were under restricted command.

Also, can one switch from Surface Combat to Fast Transport in mid-mission? I tried that, and I didn't see any button to Pick Up Troops at all.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/20/2004 9:18:16 PM

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Also, can one switch from Surface Combat to Fast Transport in mid-mission? I tried that, and I didn't see any button to Pick Up Troops at all.

No, you can't. The logic is quiter tough on these missions due to the timing restrictions.

Create the TF, set the mission and leave it alone. ANY changes will void the mission parameters.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/21/2004 11:36:54 AM

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Hi I havent received this yet

actually just spotted a typo, its paul.harrison50@bigpond.com (not harrsion)

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paul.harrison50@bigpond.com is my email

but I just tested it again and it worked fine for me. I tested to see if there was any effect if the unit being picked up was greater or less than the size available on the ships as well and both worked. I am on a slightly different version than you guys though, so send me the save and Ill have a look and see if I can reproduce in your game.

Paul, I just sent you my save file for the game in question. Thanks!

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/21/2004 11:37:31 AM

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OK Ill try this, it might be a factor

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paul.harrsion50@bigpond.com is my email

but I just tested it again and it worked fine for me. I tested to see if there was any effect if the unit being picked up was greater or less than the size available on the ships as well and both worked. I am on a slightly different version than you guys though, so send me the save and Ill have a look and see if I can reproduce in your game.

Try picking up a unit at a base under siege by enemy LCU. At least that was the situation the two time out of two tries it has failed for me.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/21/2004 9:35:09 PM

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Paul, I forwarded my original email to your correct address. Thanks!

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/23/2004 4:22:13 PM

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Tested your file and it worked fine for me, when your sending them on the pickup mission are you sending them load only troops?

Also your file just shows TF 79 being empty and it looks like after it tried to pick up troops, so because this is after the fact is doesn�t actually help. What I did though was set up a new FT TF to pick up your 81st Brigade (which was attacking at a Allied base) and that worked fine as well

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/23/2004 10:19:10 PM

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Hmmm, TF 79 has orders to pick up one of the IJN landing forces (Sasebo 2 I think) and it just sits there in my game. Did you see if it would pick up the unit in question? Thanks.

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/24/2004 2:01:10 AM

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I think I might have worked out why you are having problems.

When you clik on pick up unit, do you select the destination of the unit or the unit itself? You are meant to choose the destination not the unit, clicking on the unit just shows you the unit.

When I looked at your TF 79 it had a destination of its home port which it was currently at, so no actual orders to pick up anything (hence why it just sits there), you would know it had correct orders if the destination of the TF had changed to hte location of the LCU you are trying to pick up

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/24/2004 6:29:49 AM

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I think I might have worked out why you are having problems.

When you clik on pick up unit, do you select the destination of the unit or the unit itself? You are meant to choose the destination not the unit, clicking on the unit just shows you the unit.

When I looked at your TF 79 it had a destination of its home port which it was currently at, so no actual orders to pick up anything (hence why it just sits there), you would know it had correct orders if the destination of the TF had changed to hte location of the LCU you are trying to pick up

cheers

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It is impossible to screw up picking up a unit, if you pick the unit, it just shows you its details. TF 79 was shown as 'picking up XXX' but destination was its current locale. I managed to create a new TF out of TF 79 and then had it go to the units hex and patrol. Once there, it let me load part of the unit. I am now trying another "Pick up unit" order. One thing I noticed is sometimes Fast Transports have a load of '45 out of 1000' for example but no actual troops or supplies loaded. This occurs after they've complete their mission. Should a Fast Transport on a pick-up mission show the destination hex or base it is ordered to go to to pick up the unit you've selected? Still not seeing that. Does this have anything to do with the unit being on a non-base hex? Still playing with it, will comment if I see anything one way or another and appreciate the help.

Edit:

I just tried again using new Fast Transport and it just sits in Ambonia as the other one did, showing it has orders to pick up the SNLF unit but not moving and having a load of 45 out of 1000. I did move a regular transport tf to the hex and manually loaded the SNLF unit. But the automatic evacuation command isn't working for Fast transports from that port to that hex. Does the port have to be level 3 or above?

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/25/2004 3:35:36 AM

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I didnt think it was possible to use FT to pickup from a non base hex, Ive only been testing base hexes, but Ill have a look at non base hexes.

It should say the destination as where the unit is (and did on my tests from your save).

When you use FT to pick up troops from a base hex does it work?

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RE: evacuation fast transports not working? - 7/26/2004 7:45:26 AM

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I wasn't sure about auto pick-up at non-base hexes, so that doesn't appear to be an issue if that was not designed into game.

I am still having issues with picking up at base hexes. I took a CA/DD tf, #4 out of Davao and converted it to Fast Transport. I gave it orders to move to Guiuan and pick up 3 NLF there. It sits in port and doesn't move, showing a load of 30 of 1900. Also noticed I had a transport tf #33 loading troops in Davao, headed to invade Macassar and it stopped loading troops, just sitting there not moving in port with half a load. Lots of supply/fuel in port. Strange stuff...

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