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Is there any chance? - 7/20/2004 5:50:07 AM

Forward_March

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With the exception of the Allied player being a complete bungler, is there any chance that the Germans can push the Allies back into the sea? I've seen two AAR's now, and they both read roughly the same as far as a chance of German victory goes.

The game looks great, and I'm very interested, but I hate to play a game where the same side will always win.

Bringing in fictional German airpower seems the only way to equalize the field.

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RE: Is there any chance? - 7/20/2004 6:42:08 AM

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"Win" is defined as who has the largest score.

If the front line remains stable for the whole battle - the German player wins.

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RE: Is there any chance? - 7/20/2004 7:29:57 AM

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Does this make sense to you???, winning is based on a score, points are determined by killed units and captured cities... when captured and held ... yet, if you want an a historical I am planning a Rommal takes charge version of the first campaign, theorizing Rommel doesn't visit wife on June 6th releasing armor on his own authority.. this game is to ship with a new user friendly editor.. so go wild Forward

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RE: Is there any chance? - 7/20/2004 11:11:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Forward_March

With the exception of the Allied player being a complete bungler, is there any chance that the Germans can push the Allies back into the sea? I've seen two AAR's now, and they both read roughly the same as far as a chance of German victory goes.

The game looks great, and I'm very interested, but I hate to play a game where the same side will always win.

Bringing in fictional German airpower seems the only way to equalize the field.

Given the historical forces, there was no way for the Germans to push the Allies back into the sea. If you want a chance of doing that, you'll need to play an ahistorical variant. Given the new, user friendly, editor there are bound to be plenty of those.

This situation is really a function of the scale of the battles that we are simulating. Looking at other battles that we've done, and assuming competent play on both sides, there was no chance for the Germans to reach Antwerp in The Ardennes Offensive, or for the Germans to reverse history in Korsun Pocket, and similarly no chance for the Russians to reverse the tide of Operation Barbarossa in Across the Dnepr.

Yet all these battles are very exciting affairs. Doing better than your historical counterpart, even if you ultimately 'lose' the battle, is still a powerful motivation.

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RE: Is there any chance? - 7/22/2004 10:03:53 AM

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Thanks for your replies, Gentlemen. I can still remember the two times a friend and I managed to have enough time to actually set up, and play a few turns of The Longest Day. What a mammoth game that was! I did fairly well as the German player, almost completely wiping out the Brits on Gold and Juno...my success led to both of us wondering if we weren't misinterpreting the rules.

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RE: Is there any chance? - 7/22/2004 3:30:28 PM

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I have heard a good German player against a newbie Allies can push the allies back into the sea.

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RE: Is there any chance? - 7/22/2004 7:27:34 PM

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don't worry, where all noobies for bin -

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