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First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:04:50 AM   
SiTheSly

 

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Played PacWar (and loved it) and know the general history.

Expectations
Very excited as GG don't show his arse too often. I was expecting PacWar Plus++.

Sticker shock
Someones pulling my ponker on this one, a massive $70 plus 15% the tax for being in the EU.

So you read the manual right?
Of course not, dived right in. Got stuck, tried the manual, that was poor.
The threads here answered most of my questions.

Was it fun?
I found it to be very addictive.

Disappointments
Not too many, the obvious one would be the small graphics. I also felt that the interface was at war with my operating sytem.

Is it a good buy
As the saying goes - your mileage may vary. I found it very cheap when put into a cost per hour of enjoyment.

Improvements
Set up a sytem where there is a game going on and you just join in and score points for doing well. The email sytem while a nice thought will not work due to the level of player involvement and the size of the game.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:34:52 AM   
Tophat

 

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In a pbem game right now doing single day turns.......its working fine for us.This is scenario 15 campaign!

For about a year now atleastpeople have known what this was going to entail,to claim surprize at it and that the pbem system won't work is just ludicrous.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:37:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SiTheSly
Improvements
Set up a sytem where there is a game going on and you just join in and score points for doing well. The email sytem while a nice thought will not work due to the level of player involvement and the size of the game.


Well, while I agree in principle on the email player vs player concept, it'll get ya beat up by some of the other die-hards on here about its worth. It's perceived as a game involving only a couple of turns per day and one full "war" taking upwards of a year to complete.

This in MHO has always depended on the dedication of the players involved, but as has been talked to death, a "duel order" interface was nightmarish to code... So unless there's some mighty powerful mod'ers out there interested in taking on the monster of making a turn based "internet" interface for this gem? It won't happen...

Something that as time has worn on I can live with. The only "significant" improvement I wouldn't mind in the multiplayer side is a size reduction in the file sizes... Cause really, other then a couple of minor interface points (working up constructive post for that), I'm hopelessly happy with this game!

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:46:42 AM   
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You should have heard 2Stepper before the game was released...

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:48:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone who would sit at there computer for 2 hours waiting for there oponent to complete a TCP internet turn either has no life or is an idiot.
PBEM is the perfect way to play this game. You can play at your convinence and you dont have to cordinate two people being at the computer at the same time for up to several hours to input a turn.
I dont understand how a internet option could ever be implemented because its comepletly uplayable and requires more of a time investment than PBEM ever will.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:55:22 AM   
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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 8:41:37 AM   
Xargun

 

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Status: offline 		I am completely 200% satisfied with the game so far... It is everything I hoped it would be and see myself playing this game for the next 5-10 years until the next version comes out (same level of detail - but covering the entire world ).

As for PBEM games I figure 18 months for a game that will go into 1945.. Now this is at roughly 1-3 turns a day. You have at least 3 years of game time to go through and at 3 turns a day thats 1 year of your life... Now add in your family, work, accidents and holidays you will spend roughly 18 months playing the game without some stroke of luck with the japanese winning in 43...

But either way I love the game and it was the best $100 I ever spent.... [$100 for me as I drove to Origins and paid $20 to get in so I could buy it].

Xargun

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 9:22:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Xargun
[$100 for me as I drove to Origins and paid $20 to get in so I could buy it].


The owners of the other 4 copies you bought didn't chip in $4 each towards your entrance fee? Some people ....

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 4:44:36 PM   
SiTheSly

 

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Status: offline 		The on-line solution to multi-player is conceptually quite simple.

Since it is a turn based game you have a time limit on when the turn is resolved. Each player takes control of one of the areas if they don't submit a turn in time the AI takes over. If you miss say three turns you lose your command and it is open to another player.

The main problem of a scenario 15 PBEM is that it relies on two people making a commitment over a very long time and the fact that the vast majority of players will give up when they realize they can't win. In other words a game will probably never go past 1943.

This would not be a problem in a multi player online game since even if a useless Japanese player managed to lose the entire carrier fleet in Dec 1941 since someone will rise to the challange of trying to get Japan out of the mess.

I'm not saying it could be implemented in a weekend but it could probably be done within the time scale it would take to complete a scenario 15 till Dec 43.

I'm very happy with the game but am merely suggesting an improvement which would make the game twice as good.

So how far as anyone got in their PBEM game?

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:39:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

Anyone who would sit at there computer for 2 hours waiting for there oponent to complete a TCP internet turn either has no life or is an idiot.
PBEM is the perfect way to play this game. You can play at your convinence and you dont have to cordinate two people being at the computer at the same time for up to several hours to input a turn.
I dont understand how a internet option could ever be implemented because its comepletly uplayable and requires more of a time investment than PBEM ever will.


I dont see any other way to play H2H than PBEM with the size of this game.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:42:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Xargun

I am completely 200% satisfied with the game so far... It is everything I hoped it would be and see myself playing this game for the next 5-10 years until the next version comes out (same level of detail - but covering the entire world ).

As for PBEM games I figure 18 months for a game that will go into 1945.. Now this is at roughly 1-3 turns a day. You have at least 3 years of game time to go through and at 3 turns a day thats 1 year of your life... Now add in your family, work, accidents and holidays you will spend roughly 18 months playing the game without some stroke of luck with the japanese winning in 43...

But either way I love the game and it was the best $100 I ever spent.... [$100 for me as I drove to Origins and paid $20 to get in so I could buy it].

Xargun


I feel that the price seemed a bit hefty at first.But you get the most "bang for youre buck" as far as playtime goes.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:43:31 PM   
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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:50:53 PM   
SiTheSly

 

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Status: offline 		It's not very big and I'm only envisaging 20 or so players in one game if that.

To put it all in context, for example the online fantasty games host about 5,000 players per server and they are doing that in real time.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 5:55:56 PM   
SiTheSly

 

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I feel that the price seemed a bit hefty at first.But you get the most "bang for youre buck" as far as playtime goes.


I agree, at first I was sticker shocked but now having owned the game for a month, I feel that it was extremely good value.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 6:33:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		My biggest issue is the graphics. The game is so detailed and the map so well done that it actually is making it hard for me to see units. Especially in the China area. I am fifty years old and dealing with bifocals and just do not have the sharp up close vision that I used to have. I find the game to be exceedingly hard on my eyes. The better map and detail actually make it much harder to see than UV for example.

The only solution that I can see is an option to key in a close up on specific areas. Perhaps to two times the current map size. This would help greatly, if it does not slow the game down more.
Or perhaps mod in brighter more lumous colors for the various units. Some just blend in to well with the map as it is.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 6:37:52 PM   
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There is a mod available on Spooky's site that makes ships and ships TFs much easier to see. Granted this does not solve the ground unit issue.

Here is Spooky's site: http://mathubert.free.fr/

They can be found under the 7/28 and 7/25 dates on the site.

Here is a sample of new Japanese ship icons: http://mathubert.free.fr/witp_files/myros_ijnicon.jpg

Here is a sample of New US ship icons: http://mathubert.free.fr/witp_files/myros_usicon.jpg

Hope this helps.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 7:24:44 PM   
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Anyway, I'm in a PBEM game (1-day turns, Scen 15) that I fully expect to be playing for the next 5 years. No rush. Its a nice, easy pace. Kind of runs in the "background" of my life like a piece of spyware. Very nice.

WitP is the most awesome wargaming experience ever concocted. It is the CNA of this generation. Outstanding.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 11:24:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Xargun
[$100 for me as I drove to Origins and paid $20 to get in so I could buy it].



The owners of the other 4 copies you bought didn't chip in $4 each towards your entrance fee? Some people ....


I think we each sent him $100 to cover the costs of travel and shipping. He did have to eat while there, I think...

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 11:31:23 PM   
Xargun

 

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Status: offline 		Everyone that contracted for a copy through me sent me sufficient money for what I asked.. I was planning on going to Origins to buy myself a copy so the entrance fee was an expense I was paying anyways.. I was just saying that I spent $100 on the game and still feel like I've gotten my money worth already and its only been a little over a month..

Xargun

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/3/2004 11:59:55 PM   
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until the next version comes out (same level of detail - but covering the entire world ).


Good Lord , the entire world. You would have to be reborn in order to be able to complete one single campaign

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/4/2004 12:02:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Xargun

I am completely 200% satisfied with the game so far... It is everything I hoped it would be and see myself playing this game for the next 5-10 years until the next version comes out (same level of detail - but covering the entire world ).

As for PBEM games I figure 18 months for a game that will go into 1945.. Now this is at roughly 1-3 turns a day. You have at least 3 years of game time to go through and at 3 turns a day thats 1 year of your life... Now add in your family, work, accidents and holidays you will spend roughly 18 months playing the game without some stroke of luck with the japanese winning in 43...

But either way I love the game and it was the best $100 I ever spent.... [$100 for me as I drove to Origins and paid $20 to get in so I could buy it].

Xargun


Hey, and who can else state hat he was the first customer and got a picture of him together with Keith Brors

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/4/2004 12:13:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		after a month I have the following impressions :

A more detailed scale like UV is desireable
The game is HUGE
I love to see all those ships, planes , troops etc to move around, very nice !
some issues needed to be more explained in detail () like ship repair, ship resupply ( see other thread) and some bugs are still in it ( tons of threads )

but overall : good investment !!!! Divide the 91 bucks through the hours of playtime and you spent only 1 cent per hour probably.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/4/2004 12:22:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

... and some bugs are still in it ( tons of threads )



Yes there are bugs left, definetly, but "tons of threads" is the wrong indicator, since a lot of threads about bugs are caused by misunderstandings or gamers that are baffled by the sheer size of this game respectivly the manual.

I have to admit, I personally would definelty post the one or other "bug" thread here if I would just have bought the game

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/4/2004 12:46:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Xargun, Brad,

I was just kidding. Hopefully, I put a few smilies in there. From my standpoint, whenever anyone raises the issue of the price of WitP I'd also point out that at $100 it's still a bargain. Just wish I'd known Xargun was offering a shipping service before Origins. Not too sure he'd have had time to eat though, well I know I wouldn't have had if I'd gone.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/4/2004 12:54:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

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ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

... and some bugs are still in it ( tons of threads )



Yes there are bugs left, definetly, but "tons of threads" is the wrong indicator, since a lot of threads about bugs are caused by misunderstandings or gamers that are baffled by the sheer size of this game respectivly the manual.

I have to admit, I personally would definelty post the one or other "bug" thread here if I would just have bought the game


Well, if anyone is comtemplating buying WitP after reading this thread, here's my (just a paying customer ) comment on the above.

Bugs: yes there are a few. After all it's a complex game.

Tons of threads - yes there are. Some about bugs, some about perceived bugs, some about the design of the game, some about Order Of Battles (OOBs), some about user requested enhancements, some about ways to tackle the game, some because users haven't read the manual, some because users can't find the answer in the manual. After all it's a complex game.

Despite the remaining bugs, it's still a very playable game, although without sound for an unlucky few.

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RE: First Impressions after a month - 8/4/2004 11:55:12 AM   
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