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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/4/2004 10:53:07 PM   
IanAM


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Keeping fingers crossed and rubbing luckly charm installed the new drivers.

Speeded up the AI turn 25%


Yep, worked a charm for me too - after reading this thread I upgraded from Nvidia drivers 56.72 to the latest 61.77 on a GeForce 5600 card - and everything graphical in WitP seems far snappier, which speeds up the whole turn process.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 2:16:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		wow....that is amazing...i've never seen such a big jump in performance by a device driver... Matrix may want to look at putting this in FAQ or as a sticky specifically for the slow naval battle and scrolling problem....granted it is prob not a matrix issue....this acually worked on both of my computers with diff GeForce cards

before anyone jumps on me...i know that matrix suggest to up date drivers...but people may not realize that there is a new driver out a couple of weeks ago. I didn't and i just did this for all my device's a couple of months ago.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 2:17:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately it doesnt work for everyone...I am still having problems with a Geforce 3. Hopefully the next patch may have things along.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 2:35:49 PM   
hithere

 

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Status: offline 		sorry to hear that. does the GeForce 3 support DirectX 9? anyway..my two cards were GeForce 5200 256Meg and a 5600 64Meg. i did not test the 5600 with this game but saw a noticable inprovement with other games.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 3:09:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a GeForce4 Ti4200, none of the newer ForceWare drivers have worked properly with that (although nVidia claims the card is 100% supported by ForceWare). Slower and messier graphics, anti-aliasing doesn't work as expected, random lock-ups and so on... so for every new attempt, I've had to rollback to the Detonator set.

Has anyone with a similar card had any luck?

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 3:59:02 PM   
hithere

 

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Status: offline 		sorry but can't help you there.....but now i have another problem!! now everything is too fast!!! this must be a bug will it be addressed in the next patch

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 4:11:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow! Amazing! With new nVidia drivers WitP runs at least 50% faster on my PC! And it seems I'm not the only one. I wonder if they ever tested WitP with anything but Ati cards?

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 5:03:56 PM   
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USPS isn't exactly the most reliable service, but I haven't had this much problem with them before.


I can contribute a bit on this subject, as I deal with mail that is mis-routed on an almost daily basis. Sadly, the USPS IS pretty unreliable, but mainly because like any Fortune 500 Company (of which as a branch of the U.S. Gov, they are NOT), they are increasingly relying on technology to "improve" their issues. However, this technology is very sensitive and prone to mis-sorts. We frequently receive mail addressed to other individuals/companies, as well as other organizations not even in New York. This happens at least 3-4 times a WEEK and despite complaining to the Postmaster, it continues to happen. I personally will only use the USPS as the LAST resort, when I need to send something. TG for online banking/bill payment! Oh, I must add that I received my CD-On-Demand within 7 business days, so I know it worked for some? 'Tis unfortunate that Matrix must deal with issues such as this, for it requires energy better directed toward improving their products. Can't wait for that "phantom arrival ship" bug to be killed!

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 5:07:36 PM   
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Wow! Amazing! With new nVidia drivers WitP runs at least 50% faster on my PC! And it seems I'm not the only one. I wonder if they ever tested WitP with anything but Ati cards?


Yep

But that has very little to do with *which* card you happen to have.

nVidia cards from from pos lite type cards all the way up to power monsters with a step inbetween of about $5.

Most packed systems will have one of the low end cards in it, most home built systems will have a high end card. The differences between these is staggering. I corner to corner scroll in < 2 seconds, but I happen to have one of those monsters.

A slower card because of all the map shifting during the turn execution will actually run the turn slower because it is just waiting for the darn screen paints. In some ways, WitP is no different then any FPS when it comes to speed. You need a lot of video power to get that speed up, almost more so then cpu power. The only mega cpu crunch is the crew training check where every ship there is must be checked to see if the crew skills increase.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 5:54:46 PM   
2Stepper


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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
The only mega cpu crunch is the crew training check where every ship there is must be checked to see if the crew skills increase.


Guess its a good thing I got that AMD 64/3000 then eh Frag? WiTP SINGS on this computer!

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 5:57:02 PM   
Mr.Frag


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AMD 64/3000


Yep, you can probably run a year a day of ai vs ai

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 5:59:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

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AMD 64/3000


Yep, you can probably run a year a day of ai vs ai


Sounds about right considering the final bit of the turn is 2, maybe 3 seconds. Anyhoo, nuff thumpin my chest bout the puter... Heh!

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 6:14:20 PM   
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I have a GeForce4 Ti4200, none of the newer ForceWare drivers have worked properly with that (although nVidia claims the card is 100% supported by ForceWare). Slower and messier graphics, anti-aliasing doesn't work as expected, random lock-ups and so on... so for every new attempt, I've had to rollback to the Detonator set.

Has anyone with a similar card had any luck?


Did you uninstall the old drivers before installing the new ones? Skipping this step can cause problems. In the past, I installed new drivers right over the old ones despite the warnigs. This time after doing so, I was having problems similar to yours. After uninstalling and reinstalling my problems went away. Many people take the extra step and use a driver cleaner such as detonator destroyer before installing new drivers, though I have never done that myself. You also should make sure you are upgraded to at least Direct X 9.0b. 9.0c has just come out, though I have not tried it yet.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 8:04:42 PM   
Mr.Frag


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After uninstalling and reinstalling my problems went away. Many people take the extra step and use a driver cleaner such as detonator destroyer before installing new drivers, though I have never done that myself. You also should make sure you are upgraded to at least Direct X 9.0b. 9.0c has just come out, though I have not tried it yet.


Agreed, those extra couple of steps can make the difference between a working machine and a buggered display. There is a reason all those things were written.

Driver changes are best done by completely uninstalling the old driver, rebooting to ensure any locked dll's are flushed then installing the new drivers from scratch.

For various reasons, various versions of the non-production drivers get leaked and they do not have the proper cleanup routines to ensure a complete clean uninstall so the new driver ends up only in partially installed with some of the old driver still hooked and running.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 8:12:31 PM   
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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 8:32:00 PM   
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keep in mind that i have only installed new bio and drivers and suchs without uninstalling the old ones (well, backed up the bios)....but if you un install the driver for your graphic's card....will you see anything when you reboot?


Thats a tricky question to answer. It depends on your operating system and your video card. Most times the answer is yes, it will default to 640x480x16 colour @ 60 Herz, but there are some cases where that is not true with older operating systems.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 8:34:19 PM   
hithere

 

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Status: offline 		the reason i ask is because when i was loading in the driver for the GeForce 5200 it told me to delete the old driver (which is acually a correction to my prev post) and load the new driver....well...i rebooted by my own error.....after that my screen was blank..fortunatly i had a ethernet set up and was able to get it right from there

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 8:36:03 PM   
hithere

 

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

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keep in mind that i have only installed new bio and drivers and suchs without uninstalling the old ones (well, backed up the bios)....but if you un install the driver for your graphic's card....will you see anything when you reboot?


Thats a tricky question to answer. It depends on your operating system and your video card. Most times the answer is yes, it will default to 640x480x16 colour @ 60 Herz, but there are some cases where that is not true with older operating systems.


ok...i don't remember right now if i had ME or XP loaded... thanks

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 8:39:38 PM   
hithere

 

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Status: offline 		acually...now that you mention it...i think that part of my prob was that my monitor (NEC LCD..don't remember the modle) didn't like the default...anyway...thanks again

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 8:42:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow - a major jump on my FX5700, thanks Rocco for starting this thread

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 8:47:49 PM   
Mr.Frag


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Wow - a major jump on my FX5700, thanks Rocco for starting this thread


Thats one of the reasons I finally switched over to ATI with my last card. Got tired to having the nVidia driver up and down games. One version you blaze, next you crawl, next you blaze, next you crawl...

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 10:50:33 PM   
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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/5/2004 11:30:20 PM   
MadDawg

 

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Status: offline 		I have a Geforce 3 Ti500 on my work system which pushes BFV along fine, so I think it should be fine here. Im running DirectX 9c now to no avail, but I will do a complete removal of drivers to be sure that isnt the problem. Anyone else using this card out of itnerest?

My main system is running an ATI x800XT and I must admit, that pushes it along pretty well So did my last card which was also an ATI (9800). It seems Nvidia has had a few issues with this one for some.

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/6/2004 1:40:22 PM   
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ATI???


Steve, I am IT pro and I think I had almost all 3D cards over the years...

#1 3Dfx
Voodoo1

#2 Matrox
G200

#3 nVIDIA
TNT
TNT2
GeForce2
GeForce3
GeForce4
(note that I only didn't have GeForce1 and new cards that come after GeForce4)

#4 ATI
Radeon 9700 Pro
Radeon 9800 Pro

I was "die hard" nVIDIA "fan" but 12+ months ago I switched to ATI because I didn't like when nVIDIA was going...

Believe me - when I had nVIDIA (and I always had good nVIDIA cards from Asus) I wanted to change my monitor but after I got ATI I changed my mind.

The picture is so much better (nicer colors and crispier even in 2D) taht i never regreted my decision!


Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/6/2004 6:26:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		On my Geforce 2 MX200 (i think), got a big increase too, doesn't wait anymore 2 seconds between the Coastwatcher warnings or the Recon Photo Missions, more 1/3 of a second now.

But already had two system lock up, that i didn't have before, during turn resolution (did the desinstall - reboot - install thing).

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/6/2004 7:03:56 PM   
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Read this thread, went and got the new drivers, and now I have "Fatal Error 774" on startup.

D'oh!

Guess I need to revert...

-CJ


Did you uninstall, the smut, first? :)

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RE: GeForce owners may want to look at this - 8/6/2004 7:11:12 PM   
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The picture is so much better (nicer colors and crispier even in 2D) taht i never regreted my decision!


Agreed. I have a 9800XT right now, and since installing it and setting it to the maximum everything, I have never touched it since. It was not a cheap card by any means, but when it comes to video cards, you pretty much get exactly what you pay for.

nVidia always had me playing with settings when I jumped back and forth between stuff. Just got fed up with the neverending battle of the *right* settings.




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