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Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/10/2004 5:51:40 PM

Deathifier

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The allies start with one Blenheim IF nightfighter group with the usual crappy experience levels.

Since it probably isn't going to shoot anything down in the dark until it gets trained a bit I moved it up the road a bit to Rangoon, where it sat on naval attack for a while.

Now I want to put it on training, but there is no night training option?
I know that I can train it during the daytime, which I did (and the poor pilot in the air got embroiled in a valiant struggle with several Hurricane II's vs. some 40 enemy aircraft... oops) however I'm not sure how big the impact of operations losses (and the potential loss of the very pilots I'm training!) are.

Is there any intention of putting in a night training option, either in general (so we can stand-down night groups) or just for night air units?

Or do we just live with the penalties for flying in the daytime (and train them away from combat zones...)?

- Deathifier

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RE: Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/11/2004 12:28:53 AM

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They just make 'em wear really dark glasses.

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RE: Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/11/2004 11:18:39 AM

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If you dont need them in the front lines why train them in the front lines

Send them to the rear to finish their training

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RE: Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/11/2004 2:25:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DoomedMantis

If you dont need them in the front lines why train them in the front lines

Send them to the rear to finish their training

That's where they are going, but they are still training in the daytime.
The fact that they were flying around in the day instead of at night simply means they got caught in battle when they otherwise wouldn't have had.

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RE: Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/11/2004 3:36:06 PM

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Id rather the developers work on other issues. This one is basically cosmetic. Plus those night fighters still had to learn how to fly, and this would have been done in the day time, only the end of their training was conducted at night, when they were competant.

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RE: Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/12/2004 1:28:04 AM

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They just make 'em wear really dark glasses.

Actually, there is some truth to that. I'm a licensed pilot. Much of the actual "instrument" training you do for limited visibility (poor weather and night) can be done in the day by limiting your visibility outside the aircraft. This is done by using a "hood." A hood is a device that limits the pilots visibility to only his instruments.

When it comes time to test for your license or for instrument upgrades, much of the test is done under a "hood." The FAA tester can see outside the aircraft, but the pilot cannot.

Point of Interest: My favorite test was when the FAA tester took the controls (I'm under the hood) and did several extreem pitches, rolls, and yaws -- enough to thoroughly mess up your sense of balance -- you don't even know which way is up when he is through. And then he stalls the aircraft and you must recover from the stall and get into a proper straight and level flying attitude -- all without ever looking outside the aircraft. I guarantee you will need to change your pants when you get back on the ground after that one.

Note: although you can train many things in the day, you cannot train for things like landing on a dimly lit runway with your landing lights unless you actually do that at night.

Anyway, my point is that most (not all) limited visibility training is conducted very effectively during the daytime.

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RE: Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/12/2004 2:03:28 AM

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quote:

My favorite test was when the FAA tester took the controls (I'm under the hood) and did several extreem pitches, rolls, and yaws -- enough to thoroughly mess up your sense of balance -- you don't even know which way is up when he is through. And then he stalls the aircraft and you must recover from the stall and get into a proper straight and level flying attitude -- all without ever looking outside the aircraft. I guarantee you will need to change your pants when you get back on the ground after that one.

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RE: Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/12/2004 12:32:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KGrob

quote:

ORIGINAL: Damien Thorn

They just make 'em wear really dark glasses.

Actually, there is some truth to that. I'm a licensed pilot. Much of the actual "instrument" training you do for limited visibility (poor weather and night) can be done in the day by limiting your visibility outside the aircraft. This is done by using a "hood." A hood is a device that limits the pilots visibility to only his instruments.

When it comes time to test for your license or for instrument upgrades, much of the test is done under a "hood." The FAA tester can see outside the aircraft, but the pilot cannot.

Point of Interest: My favorite test was when the FAA tester took the controls (I'm under the hood) and did several extreem pitches, rolls, and yaws -- enough to thoroughly mess up your sense of balance -- you don't even know which way is up when he is through. And then he stalls the aircraft and you must recover from the stall and get into a proper straight and level flying attitude -- all without ever looking outside the aircraft. I guarantee you will need to change your pants when you get back on the ground after that one.

Note: although you can train many things in the day, you cannot train for things like landing on a dimly lit runway with your landing lights unless you actually do that at night.

Anyway, my point is that most (not all) limited visibility training is conducted very effectively during the daytime.

Woah, didn't know that - excellent stuff :)

Ok so now I have no problem with training them in the day, learn something new (and interesting) all the time!

Perhaps then the 'penalties' the game applies for daytime flying shouldn't impact training (assuming it currently does)? I can understand it affecting other missions (though obviously more for daytime fliers running around at night) but if they were training in the day normally then no sense penalising them.

- Deathifier

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RE: Training Night Fighter Groups... in the daytime? - 8/12/2004 1:44:16 PM

Adnan Meshuggi

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well, nightfighterpilots need a high experience to work good... just imagine that the daytraining is done with blind flight methods...

this is the way i see it...

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