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Name This...(155) - 8/29/2004 8:50:45 PM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/29/2004 9:11:50 PM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/29/2004 9:12:16 PM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/29/2004 9:38:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its the modern HMS Illustrious,the Sea Harriers are being retired
and the new VTOL planes are not ready.Plus its probably all we can afford anyway.
Maybe the MOD could buy back HMS Hermes from India.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/29/2004 10:03:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		French Navy can not afford much more with our single CVN Charles de Gaulle only sailing 6 months per year although the Rafale M based on it are pretty efficient fighters. May be should we reactivate the CV Clemenceau who is waiting at Toulon for her destruction, too sad... Oh, I forgot we have picked up her screw-propellers to equip the first one.
Our both government have planned to build CV in cooperation, isn't it? But when it will be done...one day...

More seriously I really think it is british pilots of a Corsair squadron based on the HMS Illustrious may be after operations over Sumatra...I guess...

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/29/2004 10:56:48 PM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/30/2004 12:05:55 AM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/30/2004 12:06:57 AM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/30/2004 6:26:26 PM   
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Lt. Don Shepard was the RN's Only all Cousare ace, interestingly he was actualy in the RCNVR.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/30/2004 6:41:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder why the French or British don't just buy one of our old Carriers off teh shelf? They are not Nuclear but they are modern, up to date Conventionals sitting in various ports, in ready reserve. We sell off old ships to countries all the time, hell we Have teh Midway in San Diego right now, and she is a museum. She fought in teh Gulf War I and had more sorties off of here than any other ship. We have the Constelation which was on Active duty 'till this past OCtober. SHe is slated for Scrap so I know that coudl be sold. Oh well, I guess they jsut don't want American castoff's? oh, and our carriers woudl be larger and carry more aircraft than your new "ight" ships. Maybe that is why? But if that is the case we have several old LHD's (Tarawa class) that you coudl turn into Jump/Helo carriers very easily. Just an idea.

If we can sell ships to Turkey, and Lybia (long ago) we should be able to sell them to GB and France.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/30/2004 6:53:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		The retired ships are old, tired, expensive to operate and badly in need of expensive upgrades to electronics and probably other systems as well. I think Midway was retired at a point in her life where it would require another SLEP (costing several hundred million dollars) just to keep her running. At that point she is a liability rather than an asset.

BTW, what exactly is the French aircraft carrier's raison d'etre?

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/30/2004 6:57:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thats completley Irrelevant! (sorry I couldn't resist!)

I agree the Midway woudl have been expensive, but eh Connie woudl not be that bad. She was up to date for her last WESTPAC. Ther are several others I am sure that woudl fit the bill, and be cheaper to refit than to build from Keel up.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/30/2004 7:33:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for your generous suggestion.
The next French Navy CV should be bigger than the current one but she will not be built and put in active service before 2014.(should be able to carry 40 Rafale M).
We don't need your old LHD as we have already 2 LHD in construction which will be in active service in 2005 and 2006 and
the Mistral and Tonnerre will carry our AH Tiger.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/30/2004 7:39:01 PM   
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Thats completley Irrelevant! (sorry I couldn't resist!)


You couldn't resist? That's just passing the buck, Uncle.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 1:41:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		We could use them,old carriers. in a massive real time test of soviet shipbuster and our anti shipbuster missiles... What is that huge air launched mf they developed?

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 3:24:40 AM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 4:25:42 PM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 4:55:37 PM   
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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 7:09:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

Europe cant afford to mantain a CV much less build one. Selling one would do no good.
Psst!!! Don't tell the Royal Navy, they've got 2 new carriers being built...
Of course, they'll need aircraft to fly off of them, so you guys had best hurry up with the new VSTOL fighter!

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 7:22:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: steveh11Matrix

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

Europe cant afford to mantain a CV much less build one. Selling one would do no good.
Psst!!! Don't tell the Royal Navy, they've got 2 new carriers being built...
Of course, they'll need aircraft to fly off of them, so you guys had best hurry up with the new VSTOL fighter!

Steve.


Of course... I forgot that dear old blighty designed and built the Harrier VTOL aircraft. AND we gave the Harrier it to the Americans for free who could then copy and build it for free without paying us a penny, which I thought was jolly decent of us as we're cannon fodder... I mean Allies. Who then shafted us something rotten by making us have to pay for each and every C130 Hercules we commisioned for the RAF. Without Harrier your much vaunted Marines would not have had the perfect air support weapons platform.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 7:24:54 PM   
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the perfect air support weapons platform.


Gotta say I've heard the Harrier called many things before, but never that....

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 7:49:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thats ok, we will forget the Destroyers, Aircraft of All types, and Arms from teh past.

If I am not mistaken we took the Harrier and started workign on it, and it became a joint venture wich has culminated in teh Latest Harrier II project, and is truly a great Attack plane. You also gave us Chaubum Armor, but then we gave you sighting systems. As for you being Cannon fodder, I don't understand. I thought that we supported you and you us, and sicne you are good fighters we don't coddle you but treat you as equals. Now owing to your size and such we normally do not ask you to be the Vangaurd but do ask you to take vital and tough positions like Basra recently.

In fact I woudl accuse our governemnt of using our troops for fodder to ensure Allied casualties are very low, so we can keep our allies.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 8:12:15 PM   
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Thats ok, we will forget the Destroyers, Aircraft of All types, and Arms from teh past


You didn't mention all that tea we dumped in the Boston Harbor. I think we still owe the Crown for that.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 8:25:36 PM   
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Thats ok, we will forget the Destroyers, Aircraft of All types, and Arms from teh past


You didn't mention all that tea we dumped in the Boston Harbor. I think we still owe the Crown for that.


We'll just offset that against the cost of repainting the Capitol and the White House; fire damage you know....

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 8:44:43 PM   
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...so you guys had best hurry up with the new VSTOL fighter!

Steve.


We're trying! Retooling a fighter factory is a huge undertaking.

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ORIGINAL: Lex Talionis
Of course... I forgot that dear old blighty designed and built the Harrier VTOL aircraft. AND we gave the Harrier it to the Americans for free who could then copy and build it for free without paying us a penny, which I thought was jolly decent of us as we're cannon fodder... I mean Allies.

Yes we are allies, and working very hard on that new VSTOL fighter!
Actually the list of (US and our )allies working on it is a mile(1.609344 km) long.

"old blighty" ????

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 8:58:33 PM   
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As for you being Cannon fodder, I don't understand. I thought that we supported you and you us, and sicne you are good fighters we don't coddle you but treat you as equals. UB


I remember watching one of our great allies reacquire someplace called the Faulklands, and I believe they borrowed some 'tankers' from one of their allies. While we remained neutral. Jolly good.

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 9:02:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The US tried to look neutral (not wanting to be at war with a western hemisphere power) but gave the UK an upgrade to their air to air missles (ie gave them a newer model) and quietly fed lots of satellite data to the UK (while the Soviets fed satellite data to the Argentines and the French sold the the Argentines missles).

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 9:21:50 PM   
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the French sold the the Argentines missles).


Unfortunately for the Royal Navy these Exocet missiles were quite deadly...

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 11:42:07 PM   
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Unfortunately for the Royal Navy these Exocet missiles were quite deadly...


Not deadly enough otherwise they would be called the Malvinas!

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RE: Name This...(155) - 8/31/2004 11:45:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have this great T Shirt (from the time of the Falklands war).

it has a picture of the islands with "Islas Malvinas" crossed out and says

"FALKLANDS: The Empire Strikes Back"

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