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Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 1:58:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I’m not sure what’s happening here so I don’t know if it’s something missed in the manual.

I form up a 10 sub Allied minelaying TF out of Pearl, ALL sub’s load up with mines. I set the destination to Shortland and undock.

Next turn the TF is en-route to destination and is about 2 hexes out of Pearl, but now there’s no mines on board any of the sub’s.

And there’s no indication that the mines were laid in any of the hexes the TF passed through.

In addition the torpedo load outs are the same as if I was carrying mines.

It happened three times in a row.

I know each sub carries only two mines, but I find hard to believe that an entire TF misplaced all thier mines, these boats aren't that big

It’s a PBEM game ver 1.21 scenario 15
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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 2:39:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Point Luck

I’m not sure what’s happening here so I don’t know if it’s something missed in the manual.

I form up a 10 sub Allied minelaying TF out of Pearl, ALL sub’s load up with mines. I set the destination to Shortland and undock.

Next turn the TF is en-route to destination and is about 2 hexes out of Pearl, but now there’s no mines on board any of the sub’s.

And there’s no indication that the mines were laid in any of the hexes the TF passed through.

In addition the torpedo load outs are the same as if I was carrying mines.

It happened three times in a row.

I know each sub carries only two mines, but I find hard to believe that an entire TF misplaced all thier mines, these boats aren't that big

It’s a PBEM game ver 1.21 scenario 15


Sounds like a bug . . . which should be posted in the "Support" section.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 7:53:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		POINT I've had no trouble sending out sub minelayers out of PH. One thing you
should try. After you've formed the "sub minalyer" TF and assigned the boat(s);
but before you give a destination; click on the "replenish from Port" button. You
should see a "Loading tyope X Mines" flash message. Then give a destination and
let it sail.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 8:16:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also you might want to make sure your subs aren't at 1000 ops when you assign them to the mission and send them on their way - if they are, they it might say its loading mines, but it will not as the sub has done everything it can for that turn...

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 9:12:25 AM   
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Also you might want to make sure your subs aren't at 1000 ops when you assign them to the mission and send them on their way - if they are, they it might say its loading mines, but it will not as the sub has done everything it can for that turn...

Xargun


I don't know but he clearly wrote three times in a row so the odds of any of this being user error seem slim.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 9:48:49 AM   
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I don't know but he clearly wrote three times in a row so the odds of any of this being user error seem slim.


Many users I've met are fairly consistent: if they do something the wrong way first time, they'll probably do it the wrong way the 2nd and 3rd times. Not saying that user error is the problem here, but just that because the same user has got the same problems three times doesn't necessarily means it's a bug and not user error.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 9:53:00 AM   
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Next turn the TF is en-route to destination and is about 2 hexes out of Pearl, but now there’s no mines on board any of the sub’s.



About 2 hexes ? Could it be 1 hex ? If so, it definately sounds like the subs had 1000 ops when you ordered them into a minelaying TF and sent them off... A ship with 1000 ops will only move 1 hex during the turn.

What turn is this ? From my new game (as allies) against Mogami I noticed that on turn 1 (dec 8) every ship in pearl has 1000 ops due to the attack by IJN CVs... So if its turn 1 (or turn 2 - depends on how you look at it) that is the problem... If its not let us know and we will look into it.. BTW, got a save ?

Xargun

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 10:26:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		also make sure that the sub CAN load mines at all...not all subs are mine laying capable

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 12:10:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		The rules do not say there are any subs that cant exchange torpedos for mines. There are a few special subs with special mine load outs but no where does it say, "these subs cant lay mines"

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 6:52:39 PM   
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also make sure that the sub CAN load mines at all...not all subs are mine laying capable


Well, I haven't read that in the rules, and every sub I've encountered as the Allied player through October 1942 can, including the Dutch.

Can anyone specifically identify a boat class that will not lay mines? If this is in the rules please give me the section number.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 7:37:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought that only sub 019 and 020 could lay mines ?

I am at the office, but you may want to pull up those two subs and see if they say "mines" and than pull up another sub and see if it says the same thing.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 8:02:44 PM   
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I thought that only sub 019 and 020 could lay mines ?

I am at the office, but you may want to pull up those two subs and see if they say "mines" and than pull up another sub and see if it says the same thing.


I don't understand what you mean by sub 019 and 020. All subs I've played with can be loaded with mines.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 8:13:37 PM   
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I thought that only sub 019 and 020 could lay mines ?

I am at the office, but you may want to pull up those two subs and see if they say "mines" and than pull up another sub and see if it says the same thing.


I don't understand what you mean by sub 019 and 020. All subs I've played with can be loaded with mines.


O19 and 20 are dedicated minelayers designed by Dutch prewar, before mines were more simply and universally deployed via the torpedoe tubes. Argonaut, RN Porpoise class and Japanese I 121 class are all like this. When loading these with mines, you will see mines in both the dedicated mine shutes and in the tubes.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 8:15:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

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ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn

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I thought that only sub 019 and 020 could lay mines ?

I am at the office, but you may want to pull up those two subs and see if they say "mines" and than pull up another sub and see if it says the same thing.


I don't understand what you mean by sub 019 and 020. All subs I've played with can be loaded with mines.


O19 and 20 are dedicated minelayers designed by Dutch prewar, before mines were more simply and universally deployed via the torpedoe tubes. Argonaut, RN Porpoise class and Japanese I 121 class are all like this. When loading these with mines, you will see mines in both the dedicated mine shutes and in the tubes.


That's good information. But all sub boats can load mines, correct?

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 8:39:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as I know, all subs can lay a limited number of mines, depending on the number of tubes. This results in effectively halving the torp ammo, however.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 8:54:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as I know the designers didn't want to mess around with limiting mine laying to just a certain class or two of subs, so all subs can lay mines.. Some are better at it than others - carry more mines.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 9:46:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys, that's how I interpret it. An abstraction. And it works more or less okay.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/8/2004 9:52:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
O19 and 20 are dedicated minelayers designed by Dutch prewar, before mines were more simply and universally deployed via the torpedoe tubes. Argonaut, RN Porpoise class and Japanese I 121 class are all like this. When loading these with mines, you will see mines in both the dedicated mine shutes and in the tubes.


Careful about upgrading Argonaut, though--she'll lose her mine racks and gain cargo capacity.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/9/2004 2:41:34 AM   
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One thing you hould try. After you've formed the "sub minalyer" TF and assigned the boat(s); but before you give a destination; click on the "replenish from Port" button. You should see a "Loading tyope X Mines" flash message. Then give a destination and
let it sail.
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Tried that trick to, subs loaded out just fine, 1 hex away from Pearl and poof all gone mines

0 OP's indicated on aLL subs, NO sys damage on any subs, date is 2/26/42, Pearl is in great shape no damage, MAX supplies (999,000), 1 AS in port No sys damage.

I'm an engineer so I'm pretty ANAL. I'm pretty sure looking that input here I can rule out operator error, unless someone knows something in the manaul (I couldn't find anything to explain it)

Waiting for my turn, the next thing is to try the same trick out of SF and also try a single sub out of pearl.

Any input would be great. I do like my subs and my mines

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/9/2004 2:52:55 AM   
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If its a PBeM game make sure I have your password... Also, if you can have your opponent send me his password as well so I can run a few tests and turns.. thanks..

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/9/2004 3:54:15 AM   
Point Luck

 

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It' a new game V1.21

My opponent doesn't know yet, I want to try two more things first. I'll keep you posted

THANKS

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/9/2004 8:54:49 AM   
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O19 and 20 are dedicated minelayers designed by Dutch prewar, before mines were more simply and universally deployed via the torpedoe tubes. Argonaut, RN Porpoise class and Japanese I 121 class are all like this. When loading these with mines, you will see mines in both the dedicated mine shutes and in the tubes.


Careful about upgrading Argonaut, though--she'll lose her mine racks and gain cargo capacity.


That's what happened. Made her into a Marine Raider sub.

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RE: Disappearing mine load outs on Subs - 9/9/2004 8:56:45 AM   
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