Matrix Games Forums

 Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Uncommon Valor - Campaign for the South Pacific >> Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/14/2004 8:21:25 PM   
mapie500

 

Posts: 14
Joined: 11/4/2002
Status: offline 		I've neutralized the Japanes carriers, occupy southeast New Guinea and Guadalcanal, and have six divisions ready to invade Rabaul. However, I have only three fleet carriers when I need about six to hold off Japanese land based bombers. However, Nimitz won't release the repaired or new fleet or fast light carriers that have been docked in Pearl for several months. Since Nimitz wouldn't support me to fulfil orders to occupy Rabaul, I resigned in late August 1943.
So, how do you get Nimitz to cough up those carriers.
Post #: 1
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/14/2004 8:48:54 PM   
rogueusmc


Posts: 4583
Joined: 2/8/2004
From: Texas...what country are YOU from?
Status: offline 		You generate a 'need' for the ships by either 1) having them sunk...or 2) sending them back to Pearl.

Sometimes the CVs are still in Pearl because of the lack of escorts...send some escorts back.

In your ship availablity screen, does it say 'high' in the upper right corner?

< Message edited by rogueusmc -- 9/14/2004 12:50:14 PM >

_____________________________

There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.

Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army


(in reply to mapie500)
Post #: 2
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/15/2004 2:49:56 AM   
mapie500

 

Posts: 14
Joined: 11/4/2002
Status: offline 		It says "low." Is sending back screening vessels, e.g. destroyers, the only way to raise this to "high" or must I send back almost everything to Pearl? This game is so (too?) deep!

(in reply to rogueusmc)
Post #: 3
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/15/2004 5:34:39 AM   
rogueusmc


Posts: 4583
Joined: 2/8/2004
From: Texas...what country are YOU from?
Status: offline 		Yep...send some escorts back...sometimes the CVs are held for lack of escort.

Send a few cruisers back...they may be available for upgrade.

_____________________________

There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.

Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army


(in reply to mapie500)
Post #: 4
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/16/2004 11:45:10 PM   
Blitzer

 

Posts: 99
Joined: 7/3/2002
From: Chicago
Status: offline 		Yes the escort issue might be the problem. I've found that a minimum of four DDs is required for each CV you want returned.

The LOW ship availability would have me more concerned however. You've probably got a massive fleet swinging at anchor at New Caledonia or elsewhere. Make a long-term plan, start thinning out what you don't need and send it back until the availability rises to MODERATE.

As for the Japanese LBA pestering your ships, you are probably flying insufficient CAP Healthy CAP tends to make the Jap planes hesitant to attack. The answer is to systematically blast their bases with heavy bombers before you send your vessels into the fray, then compound the insult with CV airstrikes on the crippled airfields and ports.

God I love this game.

(in reply to rogueusmc)
Post #: 5
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/17/2004 2:42:15 AM   
mapie500

 

Posts: 14
Joined: 11/4/2002
Status: offline 		Thanks Blister! When moving carriers into Indian territory (in range of land based bombers and not expecting Jap carriers), I usually have all my carrier fighters on escort with 90% cap.
By the way, I usually do better when listening to Richard Roger's "Victory at Sea" very loud. Inspirational. (In November 1942, I just moved off two large transport groups from Lunga before they were completely unloaded; glad I did since two Jap carrier groups visited the area the day after!)

(in reply to Blitzer)
Post #: 6
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/22/2004 8:44:51 PM   
neuromancer


Posts: 627
Joined: 5/30/2002
From: Canada
Status: offline 		Also because commitment level was LOW you should send back 'junk'. Its all about point values, so send back escorts for the carriers (a plethora of DDs and CLAAs woithout anything to escort are almost useless), transports you don't need (I usually have more AKs and AOs than I need, but not enough APs), AVs (barely useful for the allies, particular in the late game), cruisers and such that haven't been refitted in a while, Jeep Carriers (Long Island for example), subs (there comes a point when you can have an awful lot of subs, but it sounds like you have naval dominance, so send some SS back), etc., etc.

Don't forget to send back your damaged units too. I tend to do destroyers, subs, and transports when over 10 to 15 SYS damage. Capitol ships when over 20 SYS damage. Pearl can repair ships MUCHO faster than you can in the field (usually).

You'll need to send back a lot of points to free up for the CVs, because CVs tend to be worth so much more than everything else.

As Blitzer said, make a long term plan, don't short yourself on units you will need (for example, you will need adequate transport capacity for your six divisions and their supply), but send back the units you don't need see above). If you look at it realistically, the war is a lot bigger than just the Coral Sea, so you might be holding onto ships that could be used elsewhere.

(in reply to mapie500)
Post #: 7
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/23/2004 10:52:36 AM   
mapie500

 

Posts: 14
Joined: 11/4/2002
Status: offline 		OK guys. I've started over at May 1. Essentially, back where I was but without any Jap carriers sunk this time; however, I have all the first six of the heavy carriers still in good shape. It's late fall and I've been sending all non-critical ships back to Pearl. But have "dirtied up" (put some wear and tear on) my cruisers and destroyers doing fast transport to Lunga to keep that base marginally operational before sending them to Pearl and continue to send 2 and 3-ship transport groups to Port Moresby to keep that airbase active to wreak havoc on Jap transport groups.
Don't find AVs totally useless. The faster ones, at least, can do fast transport duty to Lunga. With a couple more divisions, the Essex, and replacement excorts, I hope to be "good to go" for Rabaul by March 43. But since I'm off to Alaska, it will be a couple of weeks before then.

(in reply to neuromancer)
Post #: 8
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/26/2004 11:44:08 PM   
ritterkruz

 

Posts: 14
Joined: 7/28/2004
From: Canada's Pacific Island.
Status: offline 		NOW I get it! I have the reverse problem from Mapie 500. It's October 1942, and all the US CVs are KIA. I have 3 IJN CVs in good shape at Rabaul, and experienced aircrew rarin' to get at those Yankees in Luganville. I've been waiting and waiting for more CVs, for the same reason that Mapie had... but the two IJN CVs in Tokyo are too busy enjoying the geishas to join the battle. I took the great advise offered here and sent back a small fleet of escort types, and the release level has changed to Moderate.
While I'm here, I have a question. Are the aircrew of my CVs, "disbanded" at Rabaul still carrying out the last missions assigned? Or do they sort of go into suspended animation unless they're assigned to a fleet. Obviously this is important for training new crews and resting the vets. In "reality", weren't the CV squadrons off-shipped to train, re-equip, etc.? (By the way, if asking a question in someone else's thread is a no-no, please excuse my faux pas. I really don't get out that much, [electronically] and I wish to learn to avoid offending anyone.

(in reply to mapie500)
Post #: 9
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/27/2004 4:11:17 AM   
crsutton


Posts: 9590
Joined: 12/6/2002
From: Maryland
Status: offline 		As the fight progresses, you will find less of a need for AVs. Send them back. Also, send back ships you find yourself not using. I don't recommend sending back DDs though, unless they need an AA upgrade. There should be enough in Pearl for escorts. You probably have a surplus of tankers. Send a few back. Try to keep only 4 or 5 APDs ( or none if you have a lot of DDs). Keep only six MSW at a time or better yet DMS. Perhaps only about 8 SCs. If sending these surplus ships back does not boost your level to at least moderate, then send some warships. Go through them and send the ones with the lower AA levels first. They will eventually come back with better AA.

Oh yes, If you still have Long Island-send her home too. She is invaluable in the first few months but useless later in the game.

_____________________________

I am the Holy Roman Emperor and am above grammar.

Sigismund of Luxemburg

(in reply to ritterkruz)
Post #: 10
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/28/2004 3:16:02 PM   
tsimmonds


Posts: 5498
Joined: 2/6/2004
From: astride Mason and Dixon's Line
Status: offline
quote:

Are the aircrew of my CVs, "disbanded" at Rabaul still carrying out the last missions assigned? Or do they sort of go into suspended animation unless they're assigned to a fleet.

Carrier air units will only conduct operations if they are in an air combat TF or on a land base. Typically, carrier air units were put ashore whenever the ships were in port. You can leave the air units on an ACTF in port, but the number of a/c assigned to all missions will be halved due to the difficulties involved in conducting flight operations near land.

_____________________________

Fear the kitten!

(in reply to ritterkruz)
Post #: 11
RE: Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor - 9/29/2004 5:52:03 AM   
ritterkruz

 

Posts: 14
Joined: 7/28/2004
From: Canada's Pacific Island.
Status: offline 		Thanks, Irrelevant. Things in Rabaul and Truk are gonna have to get a LOT more crowded with all my CV squadrons ashore! Hope the base force(s) willbe up to it. Still, very good to know that I will no longer be wasting possible training time while the CVs refit.

(in reply to tsimmonds)
Post #: 12
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Uncommon Valor - Campaign for the South Pacific >> Nimitz hoards carriers in Pearl Harbor Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

2.109