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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 8:12:41 PM   
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Me fail English? That unpossible.




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RE: As a former English teacher... - 9/30/2004 8:12:41 PM   
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I would find a good Grammar book, Warriners comes to mind - notate the page(s), and send that lovely bit of misinformed miseducation to the schools department head, cc's to the Principal, and each member of the local School Board. That is attrocious.


I disagree. Show the grammar book to the teacher, then followup with the principal and school board only if the teacher refuses to "see the light" or you get a distinct impression of stupidity when you talk to him. So many people, both here and in life, want to kill a gnat with nukes.

Yes, the teacher was wrong *on this issue*. How many issues has the teacher been right on? How many of you have ever been wrong? How many of you are perfect in every act and manner of your being? How many of you are willing to be held to the standard you want to apply to the teacher? Are you willing to judge a potentially good teacher on the one mistake they make versus the 95 other positive things that they do in educating your grandchild?

In the end, the proper approach might be to do as suggested. However, the first approach needs to be a shot across the bow with a .50 cal, not a salvo of 16" gunfire.

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RE: As a former English teacher... - 9/30/2004 8:14:55 PM   
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In the end, the proper approach might be to do as suggested. However, the first approach needs to be a shot across the bow with a .50 cal, not a salvo of 16" gunfire.


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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 8:15:43 PM   
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Just a quick aside on its. Its is always singular, of course. The plural third-party pronoun possessive that requires an object is "their."


Not be confused with "they're" . . .


Or there

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 8:18:29 PM   
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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 8:19:40 PM   
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There is no such thing as its'. The cat's playing could describe how the cat sounds on the piano ("Man, that cat can cut a groove") but not much else.

How about "That GD cat's playing outside my bedroom door woke me up this morning at four o'clock." (the playing of the cat)

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 8:21:55 PM   
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Arrrgh! You peasant! It's "From where is this teacher."


Out-of-Towner: "Where's the train station at?"
City Slicker: "Around here, we do not end our sentences with a preposition."
Out-of-Towner: "Oh. Okay. Where's the train station at, a**hole?"

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 8:27:55 PM   
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Arrrgh! You peasant! It's "From where is this teacher."


Out-of-Towner: "Where's the train station at?"
City Slicker: "Around here, we do not end our sentences with a preposition."
Out-of-Towner: "Oh. Okay. Where's the train station at, a**hole?"


I've been told something similar happened to Churchill. He put a preposition at the end of a sentence in conversation and was immediately corrected by one lady. Something to the effect of "you shouldn't end your sentences/phrases with a preposition. His response: "That is something up with which I shall not put."

Actually, it should be: "From whence cometh this teacher?"

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 8:51:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't always blame the teacher. While this one is wrong, I have been challenged enough times by overzealous parents swearing their kid is right or couldn't have done that. I like to think that I do my job well enough that my students are ready for anything when they leave 5nd grade.

I teach Science and Language Arts to 5th graders. It is not always easy to control 28 10 and 11 year olds so that they can learn what they are supposed to learn. I think I do pretty well but not all of the parents do.

It's means It is.
Its means belongs to it.
Theirs means belongs to them.
Their's means their is. (Which is incorrect because it should be There's)
They're means they are
2th I don't think I could even pronounce it (I'm straight)

This teacher does need to be corrected but remember that he/she is a person too. Don't go in there all superior because they will get defensive and it will cause a confrontation. If he/she gets all superior, talk with the principal.

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 9:05:21 PM   
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2th I don't think I could even pronounce it


Go stand in front of a mirror. Grin. See all those white things coming out of your gums? The things that chew food? Those are 2ths ("2ths" is the plural, 2th is when you only refer to one of them as in "I have a 2th ake")

Note:

2ths means more than one 2th

2th's means "2th is" as in "My 2th's chipped"

The possesive of 2th is irregular, however. "Tether"

"Is that metal you spit out your tether filling?"

(Some confuse "tether" the plural of 2th with "tother" meaning "not this one: "I don't want that donut. I want tother."

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 9:09:18 PM   
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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 9:28:43 PM   
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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 9/30/2004 11:36:15 PM   
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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 12:10:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did anyone notice that the Thread Starter was from Italy?

I'm gathering that the teacher was teaching English as a Second Languauge there in Italy, Primary English as here in the U.S.

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 12:55:38 AM   
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I was only willing to be sure that I was right (although I was sure)...no confrontation with the teacher, only to be sure to teach my granddaughter the correct term.
But the it's term is related to English speaking people

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 1:05:03 AM   
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lets make a fully logical language the world language - german!!!

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 1:27:52 AM   
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Arrrgh! You peasant! It's "From where is this teacher."


Out-of-Towner: "Where's the train station at?"
City Slicker: "Around here, we do not end our sentences with a preposition."
Out-of-Towner: "Oh. Okay. Where's the train station at, a**hole?"


I've been told something similar happened to Churchill. He put a preposition at the end of a sentence in conversation and was immediately corrected by one lady. Something to the effect of "you shouldn't end your sentences/phrases with a preposition. His response: "That is something up with which I shall not put."

Actually, it should be: "From whence cometh this teacher?"


Churchill has some great quips and quotes. My favorite was when he was a bit tipsy at some function and some lady said "You sir, are drunk!" His response was something like, "And you, madam, are ugly, but I will be sober in the morning."

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 2:29:20 AM   
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Their's means their is. (Which is incorrect because it should be There's)


If you are teaching language arts to our children, no wonder they are failing.

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 2:30:27 AM   
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If you are teaching language arts to our children, no wonder they are failing.


There Their, don't be two critical.

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 2:37:09 AM   
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How about "That GD cat's playing outside my bedroom door woke me up this morning at four o'clock." (the playing of the cat)


This is a grammatically correct sentence, though awkward. "That GD cat playing ..." is an improvement. So tell me, how did the cat get the piano up the stairs and outside your bedroom door? Was he playing eine kleine Nachtmusik?

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RE: As a former English teacher... - 10/1/2004 3:35:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RevRick

I would find a good Grammar book, Warriners comes to mind - notate the page(s), and send that lovely bit of misinformed miseducation to the schools department head, cc's to the Principal, and each member of the local School Board. That is attrocious.


I disagree. Show the grammar book to the teacher, then followup with the principal and school board only if the teacher refuses to "see the light" or you get a distinct impression of stupidity when you talk to him. So many people, both here and in life, want to kill a gnat with nukes.

Yes, the teacher was wrong *on this issue*. How many issues has the teacher been right on? How many of you have ever been wrong? How many of you are perfect in every act and manner of your being? How many of you are willing to be held to the standard you want to apply to the teacher? Are you willing to judge a potentially good teacher on the one mistake they make versus the 95 other positive things that they do in educating your grandchild?

In the end, the proper approach might be to do as suggested. However, the first approach needs to be a shot across the bow with a .50 cal, not a salvo of 16" gunfire.


RevRick - 10 points deducted for misspelling; only one 't' in atrocious....
Oznoyng - 20 points deducted for quoting it and not correcting it yourself; bad form, old boy...
The Rest of You - deduct 5 points for not catching the error in a "grammar" thread.

note: RR could always fall back and claim that it was satire; that would by my position...

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RE: As a former English teacher... - 10/1/2004 3:57:30 AM   
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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 4:49:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what you are talking about pasternakski. Unless you don't understand that students make mistakes and will use their's instead of there's. That is what I was talking about. I have that experience on a daily basis of students making mistakes, and then helping them to correct those mistakes.

But thank you for showing your ignorance by attacking me when I was talking about not attacking teachers.

(Ex. There's a way to defeat the Japanese in WITP. NOT Their's a way to defeat the Japanese in WITP.)

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 5:50:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		We're off the basic point here gentlemen. A Teacher is human and can make a mistake like
anyone else. But when they are "called" on the error, they owe it to their students to check
the facts and admit it. The one in question was trying to perpetuate the error to cover his/her
own ignorance..., and that is inexcusable.

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 6:01:24 AM   
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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 6:50:04 AM   
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Examples: To + too = Fore

also:
Fore + four = Ate
one + won = too

No wonder few people can get it straight (Or is it strait?)

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 7:05:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I glad to see our older ex colonials still know the language, even if the teacher's don't

Mind you, I did put the 22nd on the front of a letter to someone in California and the USPS sent it to North Dakota, so perhaps the teacher is aware of the postal problem and is trying to help out the USPS?

I put the blame on PC and the education system, in the UK the Government has to change the exam system every few years. The reason, they have to kid us that children are being better educated under their patronage then the other guy's, so when you get results in the high 90's it time to look for a new measure of educational achievement.
Kids in the UK that I see at the Games Club I run can no longer spell, ask them to perform a little Mental Arithmetic and you will wait all night for the result. UK teachers are now highly paid, are a law unto themselves in the classroom, only work for for the school terms (2/3rds of the year) and because of all that free time form one of the largest group's of political activists.


Note to bad for 5am........

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 7:37:38 AM   
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RE: As a former English teacher... - 10/1/2004 7:44:34 AM   
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I would find a good Grammar book, Warriners comes to mind - notate the page(s), and send that lovely bit of misinformed miseducation to the schools department head, cc's to the Principal, and each member of the local School Board. That is attrocious.


Hmm. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" ... surely you mean "That is atrocious" rather than "That is attrocious?"

Phil (a current History/English Teacher)

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RE: Off Topic: English grammar - 10/1/2004 7:47:08 AM   
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Scary isn't it? I'm thankful that mine is only 2, and I don't have to deal with situations like this yet....

Brad


I'm thankful mine are in their 20's....... Grandchildren on the way, but their kids are their problem.

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