vlale
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This is the 3rd time in 2 days ill quote my own post regarding the subject. Originally a post on theblitz about HPS's N'44, i guess Snipped some what.
Problem what if the german did move by day. What effect do it have on game.
Lets look at some examples.
12 SS Pz division ride to battle from the Lisieux area. Entirely done by
mainstay of the division on the day of the 6 june and the day and of the
7th. Got their orders and were all moving(less some panthers entrained and
minor units.) by 12 o'clock mid-day the 6th. 11000 sorties flown on the 6th.
7th was fine flying weather too. 12 SS suffered 83 men casulties for all
casuses during those 2 days. This move was in large done by day. In game
terms 12 SS arrive at edge of map on the morning of the 7th. So yes 12 SS pz
moved by day and with out any noticable effects on their effecienty and
battle capabilty. Just ask 3rd Canadian.
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If 12 SS was to be where it was it had to have moved by day. Both
historically and in game. Every source i have on it agree's. 12 SS moved by
day on 2 days of flying weather.
The famous example and maybe a clue to how this myth started.
Pz Lehr's ride to battle.
Every one knows that Pz Lehr's journey to normandy was a difficult one,
filled with airstrikes and lots a casulties. Why, cuz the division commander
said so in his after the war interviews. Ok lets look at the facts. The
casulties he describes for the journey macthes the same casulties the
division toke by its own records through out the ENTIRE month of june. Well
it did quite a bit of fighting in june, so we most assume it toke most of
its casulties in the 20 days of fighting it did. That leaves only the
possibilty that it can only have taken a fraction of the losses its said to
have taken on its journey to normandy. A claim supported by the repairshop
commander of Pz Lehr. A journey Bayerlain himself says was done by inlarge in
daylight. Less the records lie(u can here have a discussion that im not
doing about why he thot and told what he did vs the records and the time
passed since he had exprienced the events, surely those very apparently had
an big impact on him). On the other hand. There is no doubt that allied
airpower did inflict problems for Pz Lehr. One of blown bridges alone slowed
the division by half a day. So did had allied airpower an effect, sure time
wise. Just not on giving any significant losses or it not moving by day.
Operation Cobra. Funny note here. The damagereports of the 9th and 2nd Tac
AF, actually gives more tanks destroyed than the germans actually had in the
operation. Invistigated by brits them self. Their findings were
that only 9 tanks in Cobra were lost to airpower the rest too other means.
There are lots more example of unit moving by day as well as examples of
them only moving by night. I fear the thruth is not so simple.
But we all know that told by the germans themself that the airpower was
heranious.
Or is that myth partly created by statements like Bayerlein after the war,
which Niklas Zetterling easily disproves to be correct if u to follow the
wardiaries of Bayerleins division signed, if not written by him self, a year
earlier.
How many of u have hear the division commander of 9th Pz statments on allied
airpower effects on his division in Normandy?
Nope i suggest reading Niklas's book if u want to dive into it all, he gives
some answers and thruths about a subject most view as clear cut.
Niklas Zetterling: Normandy 1944, German military Organization, Combat Power
and Organizational Effectivness.
Kind Regards,
Rasmus
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