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What was the computer thinking? - 10/6/2004 10:37:19 PM

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I think we can consider this confirmation that the surface combat AI needs some work. At 20,000 yards the Japanese task force scattered to evade the terrible threat. Then the Allied ship went chasing after them.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Batavia at 19,59

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi
CV Kaga
CV Hiryu
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
CL Abukuma
DD Akigumo
DD Kagero
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranuhi
DD Urakaze

Allied Ships
MSW Goulburn, Shell hits 21, and is sunk

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/6/2004 10:41:09 PM

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The heroic captain of the MSW wanted to valiantly ram one of the Carriers and get himself a Medal of Honor I do believe!

Actually, it reminds me of how a small dog like a shi tzu or poodle will defend it's territory against a much larger dog...dumb, but that's what they do.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/6/2004 11:12:16 PM

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The heroic captain of the MSW wanted to valiantly ram one of the Carriers and get himself a Medal of Honor I do believe!

Actually, it reminds me of how a small dog like a shi tzu or poodle will defend it's territory against a much larger dog...dumb, but that's what they do.

Actually, it makes perfect sense in WitP. The crew of hte minesweeper is imortal. They know they will die...but they'll get better. They know they will be reborn (respawned) 180 days later and they will probably come back with a better experience rating too!

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/6/2004 11:19:56 PM

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Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Damien Thorn

quote:

ORIGINAL: tanker4145

The heroic captain of the MSW wanted to valiantly ram one of the Carriers and get himself a Medal of Honor I do believe!

Actually, it reminds me of how a small dog like a shi tzu or poodle will defend it's territory against a much larger dog...dumb, but that's what they do.

Actually, it makes perfect sense in WitP. The crew of hte minesweeper is imortal. They know they will die...but they'll get better. They know they will be reborn (respawned) 180 days later and they will probably come back with a better experience rating too!

180 days for MSW respawn- isn't that figure more likely around 400 days?

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 12:01:05 AM

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Classic.....I just took a surface combat force of 4 CA's and 7 DD's into shallow water near Shortland Islands,middle of the night and at 8000 yards surprised a convoy of 2 DD's,a DMS and approx 7 BDS(big,dumb and slow) cargo ships....
One(1) of the enemy DD's was damaged as was the DMS,but NONE of the others were even sunk,and yet,"BOTH SIDES BROKE OFF"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT WAS I THERE FOR???????????????????????????????????????????????????

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 12:46:49 AM

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Yes I am afraid the MSW dont come back in 180 days.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 12:59:22 PM

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Apollo 11... Croatia didn't exist during W.W. 1. As I understand it was part of greater Austro-Hungarian empire (and before that Turkish empire) for centuries back... so what's that Viribus Unitis-croatian battleship thing all about?... are you talking about the crew?

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 1:22:18 PM

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Hi, The computer was thinking "10010101101010010101101000101010110101010101110101010101101"

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 1:32:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, The computer was thinking "10010101101010010101101000101010110101010101110101010101101"

Not to your best, I humbly suggest ... (note to Dr Pasternaki - even Mog affected by 'Patchless Syndrome').

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 3:41:51 PM

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He didn't think that somebody will check that . Maybe that is Dutch ship and he add "Croatian" .

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 3:54:54 PM

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a dutch dreadnought?... I think they never had one... the heaviest ship they possesed were cruisers I think... probably he meant a WW1 dreadnought of Austro-Hungarian empire (whose navy was confronting those of cowardly Italians in the Adriatic sea during WW1) with possibly majority of crew (surely not officers) being of Croatian origin (Croatia was back then part of A.H. empire)... the question is : -- does an origin of majority of crew (without officers though) qualifies you to say that ship is Croatian? ... I think not... because if so , then majority of ships sailing the world today is Indian and Pakistani, wouldn't you say...?

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:00:07 PM

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Yes as I said

quote:

He didn't think that somebody will check that .

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:03:28 PM

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Cowardly Italians ? Italian navy isn't the same story as italian land unit. In WW2 they fight wery well till bombardment of Taranto (main port) and loosing some of their bigs ships.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:07:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Grunty

a dutch dreadnought?... I think they never had one... the heaviest ship they possesed were cruisers I think... probably he meant a WW1 dreadnought of Austro-Hungarian empire (whose navy was confronting those of cowardly Italians in the Adriatic sea during WW1) with possibly majority of crew (surely not officers) being of Croatian origin (Croatia was back then part of A.O. empire)... the question is : -- does an origin of majority of crew (without officers though) qualifies you to say that ship is Croatian? ... I think not... because if so , then majority of ships sailing the world today is Indian and Pakistani, wouldn't you say...?

It's historically accurate:
On 31st October 1918, the Austro-Hungarian fleet was handed over to the representatives of the People's Council of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs (from Zagreb). The Allies states did not recognise the surrender of the Austro-Hungarian fleet to the People's Council of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, but divided the fleet among themselves (the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes got only a few small and old-fashioned units). Early next morning two Italian officers, determined to stop the transfer even though an armistice had been signed, entered Pola harbour on a 'human torpedoe'. They approached the unsuspecting ship, full of Croations celebrating their new-found independence, attached two mines to her hull and crept away. When they exploded Viribus Unitis sank, taking with her 350 people....
from S.M.S. Viribus Unitis 3D Project

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:09:31 PM

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You gotta be kidding me... Do you know a story .. I think it happened in closing stages of battle of Matapan where Italians were defeated (again)... some Italian cruisers were retreating (as usually).. it was at night and they spotted a british cruiser or destroyer (I don't remember exactly).. they didn't opened fire on a superiour occasion and when asked back in port why not, the officers replied : " They would shoot back at as!"

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:15:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

It's historically accurate:
On 31st October 1918, the Austro-Hungarian fleet was handed over to the representatives of the People's Council of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs (from Zagreb). The Allies states did not recognise the surrender of the Austro-Hungarian fleet to the People's Council of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, but divided the fleet among themselves (the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes got only a few small and old-fashioned units). Early next morning two Italian officers, determined to stop the transfer even though an armistice had been signed, entered Pola harbour on a 'human torpedoe'. They approached the unsuspecting ship, full of Croations celebrating their new-found independence, attached two mines to her hull and crept away. When they exploded Viribus Unitis sank, taking with her 350 people....
from S.M.S. Viribus Unitis 3D Project

So much of a Croatian navy .... besides don't you forget: Croatia was not an independent state at the time, it was a part of Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenes --- so at best (for those few hours that floated) it was a ship of newly created kingdom's (and this includes Serbs and Slovenes) navy, no?..

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:27:13 PM

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There are many countries in existance today that did not exist 10, 100, 200 years ago. Are the battles of Jena, Leipzig, Ligny and Waterloo less German because those involved called themselves Saxons, Bavarians, and Prussians?

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:33:49 PM

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exactly... So is that dreadnought less of Serbs and Slovenes just because it was held in a port in a province of Croatia? besides if Allies didn't recognize the transfer of A.H. navy to the newly created kingdom I think that makes everything clear..huh..

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:43:30 PM

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Hey, it doesn't make any difference to me what you want to call it. It's not me who says it's it Croatian, and I don't enjoy arguing over something that is irrelevant

. I 'm just trying to help you understand someone else's point of view.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 4:44:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

Yes I am afraid the MSW dont come back in 180 days.

I was thinking about the conversion time for AK ships. As Apollo states above, the time is somewhere around 400 days.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 5:00:06 PM

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Think of her as an Austro-Hungarian battleship, destined to become the flagship of a new Croat. navy, but pre-empted by some spoilsport Italians determined not to see the AH "threat" morph into another form.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/7/2004 9:13:00 PM

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That was not Cruisers it was italian damaged destroyer :

When we engaged that destroyer at such close range there wasn't a shot fired from her, her guns remained fore and aft." From the diary of Chief Signals Yeoman Watkins, BEM, HMAS Stuart.

British have carier in that battle and italians ships didn't have radar .

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/8/2004 10:31:55 AM

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I think the point of this thread was that Hiei and Kirishima, while protecting carriers, would run away from Viribus Unitis, and even a damaged Italian destroyer according to the current game model

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/8/2004 11:06:58 AM

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Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Grunty

quote:

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

It's historically accurate:
On 31st October 1918, the Austro-Hungarian fleet was handed over to the representatives of the People's Council of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs (from Zagreb). The Allies states did not recognise the surrender of the Austro-Hungarian fleet to the People's Council of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, but divided the fleet among themselves (the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes got only a few small and old-fashioned units). Early next morning two Italian officers, determined to stop the transfer even though an armistice had been signed, entered Pola harbour on a 'human torpedoe'. They approached the unsuspecting ship, full of Croations celebrating their new-found independence, attached two mines to her hull and crept away. When they exploded Viribus Unitis sank, taking with her 350 people....
from S.M.S. Viribus Unitis 3D Project

So much of a Croatian navy .... besides don't you forget: Croatia was not an independent state at the time, it was a part of Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenes --- so at best (for those few hours that floated) it was a ship of newly created kingdom's (and this includes Serbs and Slovenes) navy, no?..

"irrelevant" is correct but dates are a bit skewed while "Grunty" is wrong.

The independent Croatian state did indeed exist after collapse of Austrian Hungarian empire but it was decided (by parliament) that instead of independence it would join into new state (together with Slovenia and Serbia).

The "Viribus Unitis" was sunk before the new state (kingdom of Serbians, Croats and Slovenians) was effectively constituted and at the moment of sinking ship was showing Croatian flag.

As for WWI (and before) the only sea Austro-Hungarian empire possessed belonged to kingdom of Croatia (as part of empire of course) and majority of sailors (and all ports) were Croatian.

BTW, when "Viribus Unitis" sunk the admiral (he was Croat by nationality and admiral in Austro-Hungarian navy) on board choose to die with his ship. There is military cemetery in Pula (Pola as Italians call it) where his grave is (together with other killed sailors - near by is German military graveyard as well).

Here is link about "Viribus Unitis" and her 3 sisters:

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/5294/main.html

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/11/2004 12:13:20 PM

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Wasn't Pola (or Pula) Italian port at the end of the war (Italians gained her with other parts of A.H. empire's territory)....?

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/11/2004 3:14:37 PM

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Yes , but during the war Serbian army liberate Pula (Pola) and take all A.O. ships from there . And that is not Croat ship , that is Yugoslav Royal Navy ship . Serbs doesnt have ports and that is reason why Croat sailors was on boat . Ship is Serbian war loot .

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/11/2004 6:06:24 PM

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Yes , but during the war Serbian army liberate Pula (Pola) and take all A.O. ships from there . And that is not Croat ship , that is Yugoslav Royal Navy ship . Serbs doesnt have ports and that is reason why Croat sailors was on boat . Ship is Serbian war loot .

As has been already pointed out by "Irrelevant" and "Apollo XI" it was forces loyal to the revolutionary government in Zagreb who had control of the port. Yugoslavia did not exist in 1918, it only came into existence after the parliament of Croatia and Slovenia voted to join Serbia to create a new state. Serbia, which had effectively been knocked out of the war, did not "liberate" Croatia.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/11/2004 6:14:41 PM

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... those cowardly Italians ...

I don't believe that "cowardly" is the best way to describe the italian officers who sank the Viribus Unitis ! Racial stereotypes are not very useful when one considers military history.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/11/2004 7:34:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: strawbuk

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, The computer was thinking "10010101101010010101101000101010110101010101110101010101101"

Not to your best, I humbly suggest ... (note to Dr Pasternaki - even Mog affected by 'Patchless Syndrome').

Mogami doesn't have time for any patch syndrome. He has 8 PBEM games going.

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RE: What was the computer thinking? - 10/11/2004 10:00:43 PM

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If you had to think only in 1's and 0's you wouldn't be too smart either.

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