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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 4:08:45 AM   
KG Erwin


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Status: offline 		Rich, the SPWaW Depot is crying out for people who want to denigrate Matrix. You're probably already a member.

I said my piece about those guys fracturing the community, and as I expected, I got banned. This fracturing led directly to the abandonment of further SPWaW development by Matrix. I told them the truth, and they didn't like it, so I'm now persona non grata over there. So be it. Free speech in a public forum does have limitations, and both Matrix and the Depot have differing interpretations of how it should be defined.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 4:17:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Rich, the SPWaW Depot is crying out for people who want to denigrate Matrix. You're probably already a member.

I said my piece about those guys fracturing the community, and as I expected, I got banned. This fracturing led directly to the abandonment of further SPWaW development by Matrix. I told them the truth, and they didn't like it, so I'm now persona non grata over there. So be it. Free speech in a public forum does have limitations, and both Matrix and the Depot have differing interpretations of how it should be defined.


I have never ever seen this much BS in a single post here before.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 4:21:05 AM   
Hexed Gamer


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Status: offline 		Hmm well Rich, nice as it might seem, you "protecting" my freedom of speech here and all, but you need to know something, there is NO freedom of speech here.

So your support is hmm, well, noted, but you need to keep what I just said in mind.

David could tell either of us in a second (or not and just do it too) that we were banned from here and poof gone no rights no appeals you get the idea I hope.

This forum is private property and I am just a guest on it.

On the matter of name change though, no it wasn't as you said though.
My posts that caused OTHERS so much trouble, made it no longer worth my time to worry about the old persona.
I still have the respect of the people that are important to me.
If the people that are NOT important to me don't wish to respect me, well hey, that's their business eh.

I am not interested in saying what others want to hear.
I am interested only in saying what I feel I need to say.
And if it does any good, cool. If not, well I at least stood up to be counted.

I am no ones dog.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 4:22:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Keke

quote:

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Rich, the SPWaW Depot is crying out for people who want to denigrate Matrix. You're probably already a member.

I said my piece about those guys fracturing the community, and as I expected, I got banned. This fracturing led directly to the abandonment of further SPWaW development by Matrix. I told them the truth, and they didn't like it, so I'm now persona non grata over there. So be it. Free speech in a public forum does have limitations, and both Matrix and the Depot have differing interpretations of how it should be defined.


I have never ever seen this much BS in a single post here before.


You must not get around the forums much Keke :)

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 4:54:13 AM   
KG Erwin


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ORIGINAL: Keke

quote:

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Rich, the SPWaW Depot is crying out for people who want to denigrate Matrix. You're probably already a member.

I said my piece about those guys fracturing the community, and as I expected, I got banned. This fracturing led directly to the abandonment of further SPWaW development by Matrix. I told them the truth, and they didn't like it, so I'm now persona non grata over there. So be it. Free speech in a public forum does have limitations, and both Matrix and the Depot have differing interpretations of how it should be defined.


I have never ever seen this much BS in a single post here before.


Sorry, Keke. Everything I said in this post is true. It's all a moot point, though, as the community will remain divided and I'm glad that I no longer have "Mod" as a bullseye for my forehead. Despite that, I will remain a Matrix supporter. If having loyalty to the work I supported and contributed to is regarded as a bad thing, then fire away. How much did YOU contribute to the game's development over the years?

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 6:59:30 AM   
Orzel Bialy


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Rich, the SPWaW Depot is crying out for people who want to denigrate Matrix.


As usual (and expected) you have a hard time telling the complete truth Gunny. I'll even go so far as to say that you are a liar in regard to the above quote Glenn.

The DEPOT is around because of peoples love for the game. We design and promote scenarios for SPWaW and look to foster other projects that community involvement. We also chat, joke and try to help out our fellow community members who may have questions about the game.

So to the contrary of your claim, the DEPOT does not seek out people to build some secret society designed to denigrate Matrix. That is only in your dillusional mind, the same one that conjured up the invisible "enemies" that played a role in your downfall as moderator.

The big difference between here and the DEPOT is simply we maintain a forum where people can speak their mind and air any frustrations without having to worry about others jumping down their throats and questioning their "loyality" over it. Just like in real life there are some negative issues that come to the surface, but we also have threads that thank MatrixGames and the people who do volunteer work. So the difference between the two forums in my opinion is tolerance...but that should be for people to decide on their own not for you to dictate.

Anyway, the DEPOT came into being partly because MG stated numerous times both during the creation and after the release of MCSE that they were not going to do any further work on SPWaW. In fact a search of the forum could probably produce some of the statements. It was not created (as you accused) by Bernie with the intent to fracture the community. It was created to serve the community once MG had decided to stop supporting SPWaW...plain and simple. So your claim (and MG's if they are now actually saying that behind closed doors) about the DEPOT being a reason for MG's abandoning SPWaW is a bunch of BS unless someone from MG would like to make that an official stance.

(Any such revelation (if verified) would certianly be news to us. Especially since Bernie had spoke to David Heath just recently about the game and its future and this little tid-bit never came up.)

As for your banning Glenn, you got the axe for acting like a lunatic by posting a rambling thread accusing Bernie and the DEPOT as being responsible for MG deciding not to work on SPWaW anymore (again despite the fact that they publicly have announced that several time in the past year and a half)...and intentionally dividing the community. All of which is pure nonsense.

Not to mention this was after you had already been warned twice about coming over and trying to tell us how to run our forum (and telling people what they could post) as well as trying to smear the DEPOT's character with the same type of scare tatics in your posts here.

I'll end with that ...because truth be told, you are a scary character at times Glenn.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 7:27:46 AM   
KG Erwin


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ORIGINAL: Orzel Bialy

quote:

Rich, the SPWaW Depot is crying out for people who want to denigrate Matrix.


As usual (and expected) you have a hard time telling the complete truth Gunny. I'll even go so far as to say that you are a liar in regard to the above quote Glenn.

The DEPOT is around because of peoples love for the game. We design and promote scenarios for SPWaW and look to foster other projects that community involvement. We also chat, joke and try to help out our fellow community members who may have questions about the game.

So to the contrary of your claim, the DEPOT does not seek out people to build some secret society designed to denigrate Matrix. That is only in your dillusional mind, the same one that conjured up the invisible "enemies" that played a role in your downfall as moderator.

The big difference between here and the DEPOT is simply we maintain a forum where people can speak their mind and air any frustrations without having to worry about others jumping down their throats and questioning their "loyality" over it. Just like in real life there are some negative issues that come to the surface, but we also have threads that thank MatrixGames and the people who do volunteer work. So the difference between the two forums in my opinion is tolerance...but that should be for people to decide on their own not for you to dictate.

Anyway, the DEPOT came into being partly because MG stated numerous times both during the creation and after the release of MCSE that they were not going to do any further work on SPWaW. In fact a search of the forum could probably produce some of the statements. It was not created (as you accused) by Bernie with the intent to fracture the community. It was created to serve the community once MG had decided to stop supporting SPWaW...plain and simple. So your claim (and MG's if they are now actually saying that behind closed doors) about the DEPOT being a reason for MG's abandoning SPWaW is a bunch of BS unless someone from MG would like to make that an official stance.

(Any such revelation (if verified) would certianly be news to us. Especially since Bernie had spoke to David Heath just recently about the game and its future and this little tid-bit never came up.)

As for your banning Glenn, you got the axe for acting like a lunatic by posting a rambling thread accusing Bernie and the DEPOT as being responsible for MG deciding not to work on SPWaW anymore (again despite the fact that they publicly have announced that several time in the past year and a half)...and intentionally dividing the community. All of which is pure nonsense.

Not to mention this was after you had already been warned twice about coming over and trying to tell us how to run our forum (and telling people what they could post) as well as trying to smear the DEPOT's character with the same type of scare tatics in your posts here.

I'll end with that ...because truth be told, you are a scary character at times Glenn.


Orzel, I've never been called "scary" before, by anyone I've ever known. What do you mean by that? Your tone indicates that I have some sort of power or influence over events that I definitely do not possess. I'm just a gamer, and I have no desire to control the game or gain access to
the source code. Others have expressed that desire, but I won't mention any names.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 7:37:20 AM   
KG Erwin


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Status: offline 		As for the Depot, there's some good stuff happening over there-- new infantry icons which I use, and new vehicle icons (they are wrong in scale and are too small but still look good). Nevertheless, they need to put their egos in check and realize that without Matrix and SPWaW, they would not exist.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 7:41:09 AM   
Orzel Bialy


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Status: offline 		Gunny, what the Hell is the big deal with you about the DEPOT inquiring about the code? That is the third time that you have referenced that as if it was something sinister. "Won't name names"...my God, snap out of this state of mind already or grow the Hell up already Glenn.

Is the news that we asked about the code supposed to make us blush? or tremble with fear? So what if we asked about the possible access to the code in order to see if there was a chance that the game could be further refined on such things like graphics, the number of unit slots and nationality characteristics? I'm sure it wasn't the first time an interested party made the inquiry.

You try to make it sound like we were going to profit from getting the code, when that isn't possible due the well known legal terms that SSI put on the original SP game codes use.

Have any other issues you need explaining?

ps...as for the scale of some of the icons...if all the AFV's were scaled properly for 50 yards Gunny none of the versions of icons would be correct.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 7:44:51 AM   
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The big difference between here and the DEPOT is simply we maintain a forum where people can speak their mind and air any frustrations without having to worry about others jumping down their throats and questioning their "loyality" over it.


Hmm, you can just like this or not Orzel (and the rest of the Depot too), but you banned him for what, speaking his mind?

But didn't you just say people were supposed to be capable of doing that?

Or can you honestly expect to say one thing and then mean another?

Gunny is not the only long time veteran to get this "come here its your home so long as you know who's boss and don't say anything to make the boss or his buddies angry" treatment eh.

You did it to me as well.

It felt just as much a betrayal too I don't mind.

I am not calling you a liar for what I just quoted, merely saying you don't even look at what you type.

There is only one place KG would feel he was truely home I suppose, on a forum he made himself where he would not need to ponder if he really was able to speak his mind without fear it would later be held against him.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 7:54:34 AM   
Orzel Bialy


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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin
Nevertheless, they need to put their egos in check and realize that without Matrix and SPWaW, they would not exist.




Ok...you got me interested to hear you refine this one. We need our egos in check? Well if that be the case you need to have a serious reality check.

Once again you seem to paint a picture that the DEPOT hasn't said "thank you" to MG for SPWaW...we have...nor have we failed to understand that we exsist because the game they delivered is there for us. Just because we don't subscribe to the blind worship/no questions asked mentality when we don't see 110% eye to eye on things doesn't mean we are egotistical.

In your mind "loyality" seems to be defined as only being achieved through undying thankfullness and never questioning decisions...we don't see that as being very constructive at times. We differ in those aspects...but it doesn't give you the right to promote the image of us being the "destroyer of worlds".

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 8:11:31 AM   
Orzel Bialy


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ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer

Hmm, you can just like this or not Orzel (and the rest of the Depot too), but you banned him for what, speaking his mind?

But didn't you just say people were supposed to be capable of doing that?

Or can you honestly expect to say one thing and then mean another?

Gunny is not the only long time veteran to get this "come here its your home so long as you know who's boss and don't say anything to make the boss or his buddies angry" treatment eh.

You did it to me as well.

It felt just as much a betrayal too I don't mind.

I am not calling you a liar for what I just quoted, merely saying you don't even look at what you type.

There is only one place KG would feel he was truely home I suppose, on a forum he made himself where he would not need to ponder if he really was able to speak his mind without fear it would later be held against him.


Les

I know what I type...and it stands.

Gunny was banned for breaching the rules after being previously warned about his infractions...just as you were warned and then finally booted for using the DEPOT as a forum to bash this one when you originally got the boot from here as Les the Sarge. So don't bother climbing up on your moral perch to preach to me Les.

On top of that his post hasn't be deleted or locked down or moved...something we try like Hell to refrain from unless it gets totally out of hand...and something that can't be said for other forums.

To date we have found it necessary to ban 2 people. To be honest I hope there won't any more...it's not what we are about.

Oh yes, as for the theory that we only ban those who don't agree with us, well that is a false statement as well. There are a couple people that I have "crossed swords" with and they are still there...and you know why? Because they didn't take things to the extreme...as you have in the past on both forums...and as Gunny did with his post.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 9:01:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I may be a noob so i may have things wrong but then again my noob eyes may see to the heart of the matter.

Matrix Games 1= Guys thanks alot for the hard work for a free game. Now go make some money your a business after all.

Matrix Games 2= So the MC's have some (as the chief protaganost said) minor bugs, Oh well thats life nothing is perfect no go make some money your a business after all.

Matrix Games 3= There are persintent complaints that you ignore your fan base. where there is smoke there is ussally fire. Look into it with an eye that the fans are on to something. At worst you stream line the channels of communication. At best you uncover an oversight or mistake made without malice and streamline the channels of communication.

Depot= A bunch of SPWaW fans who banded together for the love of the game. It also has more direct fan invlovement withthe OOB's via popular vote. Not that the MG OOB's are wrong or bad just diffeirgn times circumstances and goals.

KG Erwin= Your post on the depot was pure hate and broke rule number 1. I dont have any history with you and I could see that.

Rich= $100 divided by how ever many hours of enjoyment bugs and all vs the anger over an admittedly small problem that has led to reduced enjoyment of the game and interpersonal spats with fellow fans, and alienated you form many people. Comapred to the fact that matrix games has to blance the bototm line a sa busininess and programmers are epxensive and the MC's on apure cost/benifit comaprison does not justify all the other games and fans being put in jepardy to fix what you call minor bugs.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 9:53:12 AM   
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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 2:03:30 PM   
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Methinks the pimple hath popped....mind the puss


Exactly.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 3:47:48 PM   
Hexed Gamer


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Status: offline 		Well everyone can say what they want, and they sure are now aren't they eh.

My only real beef, is with how people will say one thing, and then do another, and then pretend that two wrongs make a right.

I am not trying to excuse any of my past actions, never have.

But, it will sure be a cold day in hell when I overlook how I can be a core member loyal old guard whatever, and then poof 5 seconds later a rabid dog that needs to be put down.

Friends that can make that sort of sudden re direct I don't need REGARDLESS of what you offer me as some freebie.

If David had ever done to me, what you guys have indeed done to me, I doubt I would care if I found any of his games being pirated for instance. I would have lost any measure of concern for his welfare.
My friendship can't be bought, you have to earn it.
And throwing it away casually, just because you don't like me as I am, well sorry, I don't care what herculean projects you might have underway.

David might not run a perfect ship, but he has never made me feel unwelcome. And no, HE never banned me here, that was a personal matter between a specific individual.
I was banned at the Depot that one time, and I did indeed feel it was personal.
You might as well just go through the motions guys and make it plain my thoughts views and contributions are unwelcome to over at the depot.
I have had almost no incentive to post there, because I have never felt like I was anything better than a potential unwanted uninvited guest.
I don't feel like one of the gang any more.
Go ahead and just do it.

This is clearly no longer an appreciation thread sadly gunny, more like a proof of the pudding thread.

For a while I actually wondered if it might really have been me. But when you gave Glenn the same treatment, well it made things a bit clearer.
If you guys DO insist on coming here, still, keep in mind, this is NOT your place.
You made the bed, lie in it.
Stop saying you are leaving in every thought word and deed, and then posting and posting and posting.
Heck they ridicule me for doing that, don't think I won't mention it back eh.
Every time you guys post here, after making it plain over on your site how little you like it here, you only shoot another hole in anyone's ability to take anything you say seriously.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 3:55:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rich= $100 divided by how ever many hours of enjoyment bugs and all vs the anger over an admittedly small problem that has led to reduced enjoyment of the game and interpersonal spats with fellow fans, and alienated you form many people. Comapred to the fact that matrix games has to blance the bototm line a sa busininess and programmers are epxensive and the MC's on apure cost/benifit comaprison does not justify all the other games and fans being put in jepardy to fix what you call minor bugs.

Just to answer this for you since you understandably misunderstand.
I'm not angry. My writing style comes across that way, kind of blunt, but that's all. I only got into this because a few years ago Brent posted that MCLV wasn't done and the final update would be ready by a certain time. When it wasn't there I brought it up. Then Brent would post that it would be ready by a certain later time. When it wasn't I brought it up. This went on for a couple of years and I got more irritated each time a deadline that he specified went by and there was no update, but most important, no communication. Well, this last February I talked to Brent and we worked it all out.

Anyway, it's not the lack of a patch I mind so much. It's really a few other things. Like the lack of communication from Matrix. It has taken a virtual act of God for one of them to respond. Then when someone did, it was with some lame excuse that insulted my intelligence. Also, there are a few idiots on this forum (like KG Erwin and Hexed Gamer,Les) who have been very vocal questioning my right to complain at all. KG even went so far as to lock my thread over this.

The irony of the whole thing is that I don't play campaigns (although I am now in Flesh & Steel, my first). I bought the megas as my way of supporting the game since I don't have the talent to do anything else. I don't even vote on the oobs at the depot because I'm not qualified and don't want to skew the outcome.

My main gripe is that if there are bugs and someone complains then a company rep needs to come on and give a real reason, not some totally lame excuse, why they can't be done. This should have been done a couple of years ago. So the whole thing has simply festered. I don't think about it except when I read a thread that reminds me of the bugs and then I come on and give people the needle, both the company and the idiots who don't like it.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 4:15:36 PM   
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...KG even went so far as to lock my thread over this....


Which reminds me about the censorship he started to practice against any criticism as soon as he was appointed as a moderator here. When this criticism was presented at the Depot, he eventually started trolling people there, got warned and finally banned. His efforts to gain some sort of moral high ground is just pathetic.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 4:47:45 PM   
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But ive been afraid to press this on any one. Might be a reverse on me.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 5:17:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Les,

First of all you were banned (once again after warnings from Bernie and others) for using the DEPOT as a base of operations for a sustained campaign of bashing of MG and others over your being banned here. You ignored those warnings and eventually broke rule #1 and were shown the door. Funny how self serving your sole uses of forums are Les...don't you think?

That Bernie let you back in at the DEPOT as ZOC...which fooled no one by the way from day one...shows that you were given a second chance. As for banning your second personality...that is up to you. I won't do it for you speaking your opinion here...even though you would love that so you could play the "woe is Les" card again. You'll have to try and troll a bit better than that Lester.

Now that that has come up...as for being turned on, well you also have a memory that is very selective Les. A lot of people over at the DEPOT (myself included) that didn't necessarily agree with a lot of your typical self-serving and overly righteous posts still went to bat for you over your banning here...and played a part in getting your ban over-turned whether you wish to believe that or not. I'm sure you won't...because you would probably like to think that you alone brought on that event...well, surprise Les, it wasn't just you nor was it because you were some abused sage of enlightenment that the forum couldn't live without.

As for my visits here...well they are no where near what they used to be. Not that I have to explain myself to you Les (you are just a person not a God to be answered to) but I think it would be fairly obvious to anyone that I am here posting in response to attacks against the DEPOT and some of its members. I am not here telling people that I am smarter than the rest of them as you have in your posts...or telling them that I am owed something from them for being so great and a pillar of gaming knowledge...and that they should line up to kiss my feet in the hopes that I will bless them with my friendship. That job is yours alone.

Anyway...that's my reply. If you don't want to hear from me then don't speak of me...pretty simple. Now if you care to continue this little conversation without eating up forum space and time just email me Les. I'd be happy to enlighten you even more on your own double standards and self-serving, hypocritical, mentality.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 6:31:12 PM   
Hexed Gamer


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But I have heard the words of men such as Wild Bill himself say I have done a lot for wargaming, and that praise means a lot to me.

I am not self righteous nor self serving.

It's called "confident".

The only people saying I am god, or using other rediculous descriptive terminology, are the people that seem to have trouble with me.

I am not responsible for the insecurities of others.

And for the record, I was banned here by someone that had a grudge. It was reversed before I was even awake the next day.
The crusade that was generated on my behalf, was never of my asking.
And when I tried to get some measure of sense out of it all, through simple discussion, I was told to shut up by those I thought actually cared.

In retrospect, I feel like I was nothing but a pawn. I was used as a tool in a cause.

Thank you veeeeeery much.

Take my membership at your play pen and stuff it.

Woe is Les, god that's funny.

Do me a favour, stop boring me.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 7:05:08 PM   
Orzel Bialy


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Status: offline 		Les,

Ok...since I have already punished the people of this forum by giving you reason to post more than once in search of the limelight you need to exsist...here is my parting post in this thread.

First of all a humble man accepts praise with modesty, he doesn't flaunt it or refer to it constantly as you seem to do...nor does he try to use it as a tool to somehow elevate himself above others. That praise means that much to you is a sign of insecurity far more than someone else pointing that fact out. As for the self serving issue...no someone who uses one forum against the other when it suits his own purposes and then decries themselves as a blameless pawn when called out on it isn't wallowing in pity or being self serving are they? I could be a real bastard and start a poll on peoples thought about that topic...but that would just be mean.

Second of all I won't touch your DEPOT account. Don't want it...don't use it. Pretty damned simple, no? I mean it's no skin off my nose either way. I'm sure your self induced departure won't trouble a good many people over there anyway...though I can imagine people over here might be sighing out loud knowing that this place has you back to itself full time. Beside that I sure as Hell don't plan on giving you any fodder to bitch about on how you were banned for speaking your opinion, when everyone here knows that wasn't the case...except for you that is.

Thirdly, sorry for touching an obvious nerve with you Les. My my my...Temper temper there fellow. Don't want you to blow a gasket and have an accident in your chair.

Anyway, like I said...I don't plan on giving you any more exposure on this thread...and subjecting the poor people here to more of your "insights". I came here to defend the DEPOT against unjust accusations and as usual with threads you get involved in...in turned into a thread about you. If you want to continue this little tirade, then lets take it private...which I know you probably won't do since it doesn't involve self promotion and air time for Les.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 7:33:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		You don't get it do you Orzel.

Well that's not my problem.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 7:41:18 PM   
Hexed Gamer


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Status: offline 		And now for something more amusing.

Take it away Lindsey

Loving you
Isn’t the right thing to do
How can I ever change things
That I feel

If I could
Maybe I’d give you my world
How can I
When you won’t take it from me

You can go your own way
Go your own way
You an call it
Another lonely day
You can go your own way
Go your own way

Tell me why
Everything turned around
Packing up
Shacking up is all you wanna do

If I could
Baby I’d give you my world
Open up
Everything’s waiting for you

You can go your own way
Go your own way
You can call it
Another lonely day
You can go your own way
Go your own way

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 8:58:28 PM   
m10bob


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From: Dismal Seepage Indiana
Status: offline 		Hi guys.............
A few comments have been made on this thread that have nothing to do with SPWAW,wargames,or Matrixgames,nor the Depot.Rather,they are reflections and knee-jerk responses to some sophomoric ego-rantings and,actual libel.
I just don't want any of the fans of the MG forums,nor the Depot to miss this point.This is NOT a war between2 forums,but rather responses to the above.(The offenders are few,and regardless of the legitamacy of eithers statements,or imagined legitamacy,it's obvious the comments don't belong here,and I believe should be conducted by personal e-mail,or person-to-person,face to face..
Currently the forum seems to be shy of a moderator,(as any form of moderation would have never allowed this to get out of hand,like it has.).
"When you go to another man's house,it is not proper to poop on his porch".


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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/24/2004 9:26:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		m10bob is of course correct, and I am booting myself off the forum till monday.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/25/2004 12:38:25 AM   
BulletMagnet


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From: Ocala,Florida
Status: offline 		All im willing to say is Gunny your outta line for the comments you made over at the depot. Clearly you sem to be venting frustration. Depot is nothing more than another sandbox to play in. It has different rules thats all. Choose your preference by all means but dont piss on theirs IN theirs. Likewise they should not as well. I just hope that now with the burden of mod off your back you can really jump start this forum.

As for Les,Zoc or whatever your calling yourself these days I was one of the people formentioneed that went to bat for you even though i dont agree with most of the stuff you post.Still thought is was wrong the way you were done.and then you run over to depot and basically in a moment of self pity telll everyone that ever stood up for you to go piss off.I can take it. But please dont play it off that you are some self righteous elitist. Im surprised you made it through this WHOLE thread without mentioning squadleader or the good ole days.

The main point being is that both of you have "done me wrong" and thats ok. One word KARMA.

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/25/2004 3:20:38 AM   
Goblin


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ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer
Take my membership at your play pen and stuff it.



Les, is this an official request?


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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/25/2004 3:23:50 AM   
M4Jess


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Status: offline 		Hi guys!

Les the Gunny ?? Are you guys the same person?

just asking

Jess

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RE: The Matrix Volunteer Appreciation Thread - 10/25/2004 5:08:49 AM   
Bernie


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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Rich, the SPWaW Depot is crying out for people who want to denigrate Matrix. You're probably already a member.

I said my piece about those guys fracturing the community, and as I expected, I got banned. This fracturing led directly to the abandonment of further SPWaW development by Matrix. I told them the truth, and they didn't like it, so I'm now persona non grata over there. So be it. Free speech in a public forum does have limitations, and both Matrix and the Depot have differing interpretations of how it should be defined.


Gunny, what you said above is nothing short of libel and slander. I intend to deal with it as such.

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