Hirohito
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2. "Not if it is well planned and well executed. The Empire, IF it brings the right forces to bear in the right places can quickly overrun siberia."
It is not likely to be quick no matter what you do. Unless your opponent is braindead, they will put up a tough fight. They will be able to fall back away from exposed positions and build up fortifications. Siberia is big. The Soviets can continue to fall back several times. Japanese supply will decrease as they pile division after division into far off hex. This will lower the effectiveness of the Japanese combat units. The way supply is modeled in WiTP, you can't just pile dozens of divisions into one area and expect them all to be perfectly supplied.
Also, you specifically state that "the Empire, IF it brings the right forces to bear in the right places can quickly overrun siberia". How the hell do you know this? Since you don't play against the computer, don't play PBEM, and only play the occasionally hotseat match, you can't have tested this much. Quite frankly, you don't know if it will take three months or three years.
How do you know how often I play hot seat? How do you know how often I have tested this? You are very arrogant and insulting about someone you know nothing about. Take one look at the map. The Russian troops in and around Vladisvostok have their head in a noose. Very few bases in Siberia actually produce supplies. Properly planned, you can cut the Russians off from supply quickly. How do you fortify bases without supply? I know exactly how long it takes to take Siberia. you say that i know nothing about supply, but you have no real basis for making that statement. I would say based on your arguments that you don't know how to run an effective campaign unless you are copying a well known one like the one the Japanese originally used.
3. - "You get more than enought oil/resources/hi/supplies from siberia and china to make up for delaying the SRA campaign."
No, you won't. This is a clear indicator you don't know much about the details of WiTP. First, you can easily grab a number of Chinese cities without having to go to war against the USSR. So there is no benefit for these cities. Actually, the Japanese player loses out some if you let the Chinese have Changsa and other places while chasing around after bears in the far north.
The reinforcements moved into the chinese coastal cities free up the divisions and mixed brigades there. What do you think I do with them? A few are sent to manchuko, where do you think the rest go? Let's see. How about for offensive operations in China? Gee, what a concept. I'm not going to give the Chinese any rest. It was never the plan to sit idle in china while Siberia is being taken out. Some of the troops are freed up from Siberia right away, mainly the ones taking out northern Sakhelin island and the base on the far east of siberia near the bering sea, and some of the troops in the vladisvostok operation. They move by ship to canton for immediate action against the chinese cities near canton.
Second, any benefits of additional Manchuria troops are going to be offset by the fact that the Chinese get time to rest up and build all their cities to full size nine fortifications. Instead of being weak and unable to stand up the Japanese, the Chinese will be strong and almost impossible to knock out.
No, they won't. The force dispositions do not change the balance. Some divisions move to manchuko, others move from the coastal cities into the interior of china. The force dispositions are a wash. Offensive operations begin immediately. Troops start coming back from Siberia almost immediately. How long do you think it takes to take northern sakhelin island? It isn't even garrisoned. And the base in the far east of siberia on the bering sea? It falls on the first landing. How long do you think Vladisvostok holds if you attack it correctly? It doesn't.
Finally, and most obviously, the DEI, PI, Malay, and Burma have many times as many resources and oil that Western China/Siberia have. It's an open and shut case on this question. Everyone knows this to be a fact.
They don't have many times as many resources. Speaking just of oil, you get 600 oil from russia/china. And you are assuming that you can keep ALL the oil production out of the Empire's hands after Russia falls. Are you saying that the allies can be strong EVERYWHERE after a few months?
4. "This is laughable. PLEASE send your submarines to the sea of japan. We need the target practice."
Japanese ASW is never very good, but it is the worst at the start of the war. If you played WiTP much at all, this would be something you'd know.
Actually, I do quite well against the Allies submarines. It's not my fault if you don't know how to run ASW operations correctly.
5. "Only against an idiot. They can easily be cut off and starved out. Remember, the Empire will be bringing the Kwantan army, the bulk of the forces from China, the original SRA invasion force and any reinforcements received along the way to bear. The IJN will be intact unless the Japanese player is a total idiot. The air forces that historically sat the war out in Manchuko and China are now added to the fray."
Again, this indicates an inexperience with the WiTP system. It's just talk, really. You will have to plan on giving the PI, DEI, Malay, and Singapore 9-12 months to build up their defenses while you take out both China and the Soviet Union. This is gonna cause a lot of problems. The Allies will build up their fortifications and air fields during this time. Many bombers and fighters can be placed at various places.
It isn't 9-12 months. Maybe YOU would take 9-12 months. And how are you going to be moving all these transports into PI, DEI, Malay and Singapore,what do you think I'm going to be doing in the meantime? Keeping IJN in dry dock? Keeping my planes on training missions? Not to mention Mine Layers and submarines. Only an idiot would allow allied transports to come and go as they please.
By the way, you can't "starve" the DEI, PI, and Malay using the IJN. If you actually played WiTP, you'd understand this by now. There is something in the game called "resources". While they are needed by heavy industry, they also produce supply at the very place they are located at.
Gee, I didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out. So, what you are going to do is move troop transports past my navy and air force to any place you wish, and oil tankers past my navy and air force into places that don't have oil, and you have no islands that don't produce anough supply so that you dont have to move supply transports to them, please give me a break. You have to move things around and I'm going to stop you. You can't be strong everywhere.
You make assumptions that just aren't true. And you assume you are going up against an idiot.
Yes, some islands produce their own supplies, to a point. How many troops can they supply? Some islands have their own oil,but what about the ones that don't? And how do you move the oil out so that you can actually use it? For any given island, it takes a certain level of resources to produce enough supplies to support a large body of troops on the island. So, you are saying that the number of troops that can be supported is always sufficient to defend the island given the supplies that are produced, for every place you want to defend? And, you are further saying you can defend every base simultaneously, to avoid the situation that the Empire forces will take some bases on an isolated island and make supplying the troops there more and more difficult?
See, I think you are the one that doesn't know much about playing this game if you cannot keep the allies off balance for the few months it takes to finish the Russians.
Hirohito
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