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What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that is.. - 11/16/2004 7:40:14 PM

Hornblower

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And I thought I was doing well. Although the IJN/IJA was advancing, I was able to bleed them, and in many instances, delay there advance southward. For instance, I had stationed at Balkipapan five 4 pipers, Houston & Marblehead. The had managed to react to a number of Japanese moves Makarassar st. area, to such a degree that the IJN hadn�t been able to get a foothold on the eastern side of Borneo, or Celebes for that matter. I had managed to save the vast majority of the P-40�s and B-17�s from Clark and stationed them in Darwin or Timor. IJA�s advances in Mindanowa are stalled; the USAEF has held its own at the Bataan/clark/Manila area. AK losses are heavy but not debilitating. POW and Repulse are still afloat, and it�s the end of January- or nearing so. Aircombat isn�t completely one sides, and ABDA�s are getting some successes- enough to give Hope. And remember Hope is a 4 letter word.

Then BAMMMM!!! What the flippen just happened?????

A couple of IJN CVL�s enter the Celebes Sea, and put torps into the Houston & Marblehead- don�t sink em, but damage them enough so they need to get to Darwin for Repairs. The 4 Pipers react to what turns out to be a heavily escorted Invasion force, and all go down.. Tarakan falls, Manado goes � although I managed to get the Buffalo�s out in time. Br. Borneo is completely gone, and LBA�s now stationed there is making life extremely difficult for anything in the Java Sea. Dutch fighters try to hold the fort, but are too few. The Java ports almost over night become battle grounds. IJN moves into southern Sumatra despite the effort of some CL�s and DD�s- most of which are then too damaged for effective operations. Sea lanes to Singapore are effectively cut. IJA apparently has managed to equip itself with a division of Bradley�s and Abrahms as they are littlerly �RUNNING� to Singapore knocking back the Brits as if they weren�t even there. All this in like a week!! What the heck?!?!?!!? A few more turns, and for all intent and purposes there little hope of holding to any part of Borneo. Dutch air Units are spent � Balkipapan has been pounded to rubble. Anything sent north to run supplies dies� I pull what I can out to Java, southern Celebes, and Timor. The outcome at Singapore is obvious now. I pull out the Allied LBA�s and replace them with those fighters I can scrape together for operation �Get the Aussies the Frig out of dodge� I load up the Aussies on the AP�s I had left in port, and with a escort of a pitiful number of CL�s and DD�s, and with all the LCAP I can muster, send them south (after spending the necessary PP�s) past Java- as its obviously next on the hit list- on to Timor. Somehow I manage to get both brigades out with only a bomb hit on a CL, and a torp on an AP- bad weather no doubt helped. I move the airgroups out of Singapore, POW & Repulse- both damaged- make a run for it.. and the next day it falls. It�s only the 5th of Feb at this point.

I knew I couldn�t hold out forever, but I didn�t expect such a dramatic swing of events?!
Plan of action is to delay the Japanese as the best I can in what�s left of Borneo and Southern Celebes. Main line of resistance will be Java, and Timor. Timor being the ultimate fallback point. I have relocated any surviving units from overrun bases to there. And Nagumo�s carriers haven�t made an appearance yet. I can only hope that the p-40�s I�ve saved can mitigate the damage I expect to receive from there raids�

Luzon is still the same, and I am attempting a counterattack in Mindanao in hopes of �distracting� my opponent, and I am 100% certain I have hurt the IJN, but how much I will be able to save or even delay in the DEI is totally unkown..

I need a drink�� Whomever in the Forum said �bend over� was right

Geeze, make that 2 drinks�.

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/16/2004 7:46:47 PM

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vs AI (in which case 1.3 tweaks are working) or PBEM?

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/16/2004 8:28:16 PM

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If this is against AI hard, sounds about right. Since 1.30 AI is much better

. I'm in late 1/42 and AI has not only done about the same but its also thrown a double flank move at me. Its had two CVL TF's rampaging thew the DEI and KB has just made a special guest appearance north of PI. While its not a human, the AI's play has come a long way, many thanks to the crew at Matrix

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/16/2004 8:56:54 PM

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Yup, me too, though your surface forces lasted much longer than mine did. Most of the Dutch fleet got nailed by long-ranged LBA from Indo-China, and the U.S. cruisers and a bunch of destroyers were lost with all hands at Balikpapan when a KB death star appeared out of nowhere from somewhere east of the P.I. I was not able to intercept anything in the Philippines with the few destroyers there, and they have bugged out (with several sunk). I'm in late January, and the only thing that seems to be holding the Japanese up is Singapore. I took Mogami's advice and shipped oil and resources to Singapore so it could make its own supplies, and it is holding out.

My biggest problem is that my search planes aren't identifying the carriers TFs in time for me to flush ships out of port. And I swear they are moving farther than six hexes per turn. They seem to literally teleport around the map which, when added to the long range of their aircraft, makes for a lot of surprise attacks on ports and AK/TK TFs running around the Java area.

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/16/2004 9:04:44 PM

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Mid Feb 42. vs Japan AI. (Hard) I'm still holding out in Singapore with 750 Assault value and five Forts. 4 Deliberate attacks have all been repulsed with no loss of Fort level but supply is getting critical. Last supply run was utterly destroyed. JAAF is too strong. AI hasn't made a move towards Burma yet and i'm getting well entrenched. (18th UK in Rangoon, BURCORP and an armored brigade holding Molmein and Mandalay)

A toehold on Java was repulsed but a new toehold west of Batavia is in place and Palembang just fell.

All in all the AI isn't doing too bad but it's starting to fall behind the historical schedule. (i'm just too good!

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/16/2004 9:14:13 PM

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only flub was i lost most of ABDA's combined fleet to KB. I saw em coming but made the mistake of trying to top off at Kendari while retreating and KB caught up to me. (full speed run by the AI? sneaky!!)

Sing some Supertramp!

Goodbye Houston.....Goodbye Java.....goodbye DeRyther......see you later! All those DD's....lookin blue........holes blown in them.....big boo boooo!!!

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/16/2004 9:17:16 PM

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Nik, I've got a question for you (or anyone else). Unlike you, the Japanese pushed for Burma in my game and have captured Rangoon. The large unit(s) that did is moving on to Akyab (leaving the supply lines vulnerable, which I have since cut and I'm trying to take Rangoon back). I was going to ship the 18th UK to Akyab, but two supply convoys there got chopped up too bad, so I'm moving them out over land. They move out of the Calcutta/Chandpur area just fine, but when they reach the bend in the rail lines about three or four hexes northeast of Chandpur, the unit suddenly moves at 2 miles a day as if no rail lines existed (or maybe the bridge is out). I've even tried moving it only to the next rail hex in case the problem was an AI pathing mistake (trying to move to a hex without a rail line).

There is a second bridge over that river about three hexes to the east. I tested that bridge by moving the engineer unit located there to the south side of the river. No problem: it moved in a turn or two. But now that I'm trying to move the engineer unit back, he's moving at 2 miles a day.

What gives? I'm trying to get the 18th UK to Akyab before the Japanese, but at this rate, they'll never make it. Other units from Karachi passed this part of the map with little problem.

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/16/2004 9:24:46 PM

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i believe the movement is based on the hex you are leaving vs the one you are entering. It can cause some confusions. Long and short in terms of Burma, if at all possible use Rangoon (obviously here you cant) the port is a vital entry spot. Trying to send in from North Burma will take forvever and the supply line should be very tenuous at best.

Course if playing a human......i'd be careful of sending too much to Burma period. A crafty PBEM'r will see all that combat power and go for Ceylon and/or India and create all sorts of havoc.

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/17/2004 2:36:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: byron13

My biggest problem is that my search planes aren't identifying the carriers TFs in time for me to flush ships out of port. And I swear they are moving farther than six hexes per turn.

They can move significantly more than six hexes per turn at full speed.

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/17/2004 3:38:19 AM

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1. He's moving from a rail hex to a rail hex. That's what's got me confused.

2. Haven't paid much attention to movement. I thought the movement of, say, 6 at full speed was for the turn. Is it actually per phase?

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RE: What a horrible week in the DEI- if your ABDA that ... - 11/17/2004 3:43:32 AM

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AI vrs hard with the latest patch, SNR2. And for those of you who just won�t be complete without knowing what I did next�

Mrs. Horblower goes to bed early- work kept her up till 4am last night- so I get a few extra hours of �beating my head against the wall time.�
Mr. AI, having taken Malaya and driven out what�s left of The RN to trimcomlee has launched its forces against Burma. Lets just leave it to say what happened historically is now happening on the LCD panel of the laptop� This pursuit option the AI is obviously using, doesn�t give my surviving Indian troops any breathing room � NICE ADDITION! RN�s survivors (POW, Repulse both in the 20�s sys, 2 cl�s also banged up and 3 DD�s) are licking there wounds at Trimcomlee, and I hope that the IJN doesn�t use the now open straight of Malacca for an amphibious landing in my rear past Rangoon. BTW, which will fall anyway now.

After a few turns a few developments have taken place- none of which are good for me. PBY�s and sub contacts have noticed 3 distinct IJN ship concentrations. 1st at Jolo, which I�ve taken to mean that a move down the Makassar straight with Balikpapan as its first objective, with the possibility of that continuing south to Celebes, is in the works. This would open the right pincer to Java. The 2nd is at Kuching. This is either to reinforce the IJA troops in southern Sumatra � which is possible as the garrison of Palembung (or however you spell it) is still holding out � or to combine with 3rd concentration of ships which is at Singapore for a decent on Batavia, which would be the left pincer.

So as I head to the kitchen for a smoke and a refill (no smoking in the living room

) I sip on my T&DT I decide not to make a fight out of Balikpapan. By this I mean I will not chance my few remaining battle worthy surface ships in that area, as I do not have adequate fighter protection to warrant the risk. I will sew minefields and hope that the troops in place can do some damage. The runway is too damaged to get the few martins and brewsters that are still there out. However a decent into southern Celebes and or Ambon will be contested. I have sufficient hudsons & B-17�s in place backed by P-40�s to give my ships a chance to stay afloat. Also, I wish to keep the Japanese as distant from the Timor/ Bali / Lambock area as possible, for as long as possible. A little soul searching was needed for the other development. Batavia is the next target without question. I have neither the Time, shipping, nor air support, not to mention PP�s necessary to move the troops out. As I can�t move the troops out I opt to keep most of my limited air assets that are on that base, in place till the last moment- in the hopes that a prolonged stand by the land forces will allow my LBA�s a chance to score. I�m loading up some TK�s with whatever fuel they can to keep it out of the hands of the IJN. So as much as I dislike my decision to leave the troops, I don�t see I have much of a choice.

I am going to try to hold on to Java as long as possible. (stop laughing) So as to bleed the IJN/IJA�s units and give the Boys closer to OZ a chance to dig in and be in a position to contest a Japanese thrust. AI seems to have a large improvement of the UV engine. Back to the game- more to follow. None of which is good I assume�.

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