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Convoys..... - 11/17/2004 2:13:34 PM

ctid98

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I'm curious about the make up of other peoples convoys and routes. Firstly let me say that I don't use the auto convey, I prefer a more hands on approach and any mistakes are then my own and secondly this is used against the AI. An aggresive Japanese opponent could take these bases before I get my convoy system together....

Now, so far I've only played as allies and when I first started I put together the 90AK + 10DD TF to be hauled to Suvo from San Francisco. Great once it got there but boy did it take forever and it seemed as if supplies hit the 999,999 limit at San Francisco long before it got back and so went to waste as they weren't being used somewhere else. I now break this down into smaller chunks. San Francisco to Pearl Harbour, Pearl Harbour to Palmyra, Palmyra to Canton, Canton to Suvo, Suvo to Noumea and Brisbane. Each TF with about 20 7000AK and a couple of DD's. The same with tanker TF's.

This way I feel I get a more constant supply system, though it does take a few months to build up the bases to be able to handle the loading and unloading in a relatively quick manner and cut out the spoilage issues, plus I get to have PBY's stationed at each base providing searches to cover the TF's. Add in a small basefore, a costal defence unit, an AA battery and maybe some more infantry and each base should be able to hold its own against an attempted attack until reinforcements can be brought in. Plus, San Francisco doesn't end up with 999,999 supply, so its all out in the field and the bases themselves get to fill up with supplies over time as I as tend to send a one off convey to each now and then with any spare ships I have.

Now, if the Japanese player takes one of these bases its a real annoying thing, but not so much as it would be if I put all my eggs in one basket such as San Francico to Suvo and he took Suvo.

So, what do others do, its it worth putting everything in one trip, security-wise I guess so whilst on the high seas, unless you run into the KB. Also, do you move ships from India. I get every 7000AK I can and ship them to the States leaving the 4500AK's to supply the British needs which works fine. Whilst talking about the 4500AK's I leave these at the front to supply the eventual invasions for a quick turn around time.

Still looking for the optimum way to get supplies to the front...

BTW, troops and ships go in separate convoys direct to their destinations.

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RE: Convoys..... - 11/17/2004 2:36:26 PM

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I use 10 ship Task Forces. 10 Ak or 10 TK. I ship my supplys for Australia theatre to Suva or umm the port back from it ( cant remember name at moment) and then to Noume or Brisbane. I send them also to Christmas Island and Palmyra to drop fuel for my TFs as well as supply and fuel for Canton, Suva and other bases. I send the majority of the rescued AK from DEI and Philippines to US to use in this endeavor, leaving some in Darwin and Brisbane and Noume.

I use the 4500 AK in the States to move air groups, I use 4500 AK in Australia to resupply Port Morsby and Timor And New Zealand ( from Noume)

After I am forced to abandon DEI ( meaning japanese to strong to send convoys to get Oil and Fuel) I send 2 or 3 Task Forces from India to Darwin to resupply it.

I use the ships that start in Alaska and Seattle to resupply Alaska. I create several small TK of fewer than 10 ships to resupply Johnston Island, Midway ( though I send at least 2 10 ship convoys at first) and the Big Island in Hawaii.

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RE: Convoys..... - 11/17/2004 4:16:28 PM

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I have Christmas Island, Suva, and Pago Pago as fueling stations. One of my opponent has taken the Baker and Canton I believe. Since his betty's have range to most of these bases, I don't stop there much anymore. I have built them up with at least an Inf BDE (all the way up to a Division), at least one CD unit, and base force, plus PBY's for naval or ASW search, and fighters for CAP and divided a 72 plane medium bomber squadron and put parts on each of the islands. Now that they can be more easliy threatened, I don't use them much and instead rely on 50+ ship convoys to Australia form SF with no stop till Auckland. I have them take the map edge so it takes them a long time, but I feel safer that way. My first big convoys are arriving in Australia/Nomeau/NZ and will bring enough for a long time. Yes SF sits at 999,999 a lot, but that doesn't bother me as long as I have enough supplies where needed.

Each of the islands I mentioned also have over 30,000 supply and fuel too, but like I said, I don't stop too often unless I have to in order to stay out of betty range. I also have a contingency plan where large numbers of fighters and bombers and flow to these islands to protect them.

If I could, I'd like to set up a system where the ships bring supply to these stations and refuel and move on, it'd save a lot of time, but I'm not willing to risk merchants for no reason.

For troop/aircraft transport groups, they take a shorter route and are usually much smaller, but have many more escorts.

For Alaska, I've got about 10 AKs/TK and an AP that moves stuff to there.

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RE: Convoys..... - 11/17/2004 4:27:02 PM

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What about japan, how do you organize your convoys when the SRA has been taken? How do you escort them? The Msw's and most of the PG's and PC's seem to have too short a range to make it from manila to sasebo. Would adding a TK full of fuel to the convoy help that? .. would the small ships refuel?

And do you create small separate convoys for all the ports or do you use just a few and sail around gathering all the resources and then sending them away in one big convoy?

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RE: Convoys..... - 11/17/2004 4:48:04 PM

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I originally created short distance convoys. I went from the West Coast to Pearl Harbor; Pearl Harbor to Canton; Canton to Suva; Suva to Auckland; Auckland to Sydney.

My routes have changed as my fronts have but I've taken the approach of having a supply pipeline going instead of long distance convoys. If I need quick supplies someplace I don't have to wait a month for them to arrive from the West Coast - I can simply create convoys from the reserve ships (I have over 200 AKs in reserve in San Francisco alone and 100 in Pearl) I keep to transport troops, planes, emergency supplies or to switch with cargo/tanker ships in my supply convoys which need repair.

Incidentally, Pearl Harbor and Lahaina BOTH have 999,999 supplies and fuel as does Canton. Lunga is my newest forward depot and it's being built up too.

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RE: Convoys..... - 11/17/2004 7:20:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: String

What about japan, how do you organize your convoys when the SRA has been taken? How do you escort them? The Msw's and most of the PG's and PC's seem to have too short a range to make it from manila to sasebo. Would adding a TK full of fuel to the convoy help that? .. would the small ships refuel?

And do you create small separate convoys for all the ports or do you use just a few and sail around gathering all the resources and then sending them away in one big convoy?

The PC's PG's & Msw's will refuel from the ships they are escorting so no need to include tks in the convoys unless you are shipping fuel/oil to and from the home islands. Large convoys with heavy escort are better than smaller ones with a light escort( under your air cover), allied subs are numerous and deadly. As Japan you don't have enough DD to use them as escorts for many convoys.

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RE: Convoys..... - 11/17/2004 7:23:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobthehatchit

quote:

ORIGINAL: String

What about japan, how do you organize your convoys when the SRA has been taken? How do you escort them? The Msw's and most of the PG's and PC's seem to have too short a range to make it from manila to sasebo. Would adding a TK full of fuel to the convoy help that? .. would the small ships refuel?

And do you create small separate convoys for all the ports or do you use just a few and sail around gathering all the resources and then sending them away in one big convoy?

The PC's PG's & Msw's will refuel from the ships they are escorting so no need to include tks in the convoys unless you are shipping fuel/oil to and from the home islands. Large convoys with heavy escort are better than smaller ones with a light escort( under your air cover), allied subs are numerous and deadly. As Japan you don't have enough DD to use them as escorts for many convoys.

Ok, good to hear that. I was wondering though, is it wise to load resources from korea,china or malaya? as all of them have some HI in them? .. and what about the resources in burma? ... will they transfer by land to saigon if i load up from there or do i have to send tf's all the way around malacca to get them?

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RE: Convoys..... - 11/17/2004 7:25:44 PM

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quote:

The Msw's and most of the PG's and PC's seem to have too short a range to make it from manila to sasebo. Would adding a TK full of fuel to the convoy help that? .. would the small ships refuel?

You don't have to have a TK, they will refuel from an AK just fine, reducing the endurance of the AK (doesn't need fuel as cargo).

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