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PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/12/2004 10:08:57 PM

Djordje

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I've seen lots of PT attacks, but I've never seen one where they were cloaked... Surface battle screen only showed one side, Japanese, Allied side was empty, no ships in it, yet torpedoes have sunk my DD and shots were received on some other ship too. As you can see in the report AAR shows only one side in the battle.
I could post a picture from surface battle if somebody told me how

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Night Air attack on TF at 21,53

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Kasuga Maru, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-23

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 61,88

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CA Myoko
CL Kiso
DD Yuzuki
DD Fuyo
DD Manazuru
DD Kari, Shell hits 42, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
MSW Chitose Maru
MSW Hagoromo Maru
AP Aiyo Maru
AP Amakasu Maru #1
AP Azuchi Maru
AP Banshu Maru #21
AP Chichibu Maru
AP Daihachikyo Maru
AP Daijukyo Maru
AP Haruna Maru
AP Jinshu Maru
AP Juko Maru
AP Kaijo Maru #2
AP Kaisho Maru
AP Katsuragisan Maru
AP Kizan Maru
AP Koshu Maru #2
AP Kotobuki Maru #5, Shell hits 2
AP Kuraido Maru
AP Marsue Maru
AP Monji Maru
AP Ryotaku Maru
AP Tateyama Maru
AP Zukai Maru
AG AG-102
AG AG-103
AG AG-105
AG AG-106
AG AG-107
AG AG-108
AG AG-109
AG AG-110
AG AG-111
AG AG-112
AG AG-113
AG AG-115
AG AG-116
AG AG-118
AG AG-119
AG AG-120
AG AG-121
AG AG-122
AG AG-123
AG AG-351
AG AG-352
AG AG-353
AG AG-354
AG AG-355
AG AG-356
AG AG-357
AG AG-359
AG AG-360
AG AG-361
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Sub attack at 62,80

Japanese Ships
PG Koei Maru
PG Shotoku Maru
PG Heijo Maru
MSW Tama Maru
MSW Fumi Maru #2
MSW Fukeui Maru #7
MSW Fuji Maru
MSW Choyo Maru #2
MSW Bisan Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #8
MSW Asahi Maru #2
MSW Asahi Maru
MSW Wa 6
DD Uzuki

Allied Ships
SS S-23
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Later that day...

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Day Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT PT-43, Shell hits 12, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-21, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
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RE: PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/12/2004 10:11:37 PM

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quote:

Later that day...

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Day Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT PT-43, Shell hits 12, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-21, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet

Hey, at least your pilots could see them!

It sounds like a glitch in the combat animations...

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RE: PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/12/2004 10:19:07 PM

FDRLincoln

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Must be a mod where the Philadelphia Experiment to develop invisibility worked.

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RE: PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/12/2004 11:13:35 PM

Onime No Kyo

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Youre wrong FDR...

This is obviously the result of the little known alliance between the United States and the Romulans. Two evil empires bent of galactic domination.

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RE: PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/13/2004 5:34:51 AM

Djordje

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Hey, at least your pilots could see them!

It sounds like a glitch in the combat animations...

Tell that to my poor DD Kari...
I am not even sure those PTs are the ones that were involved in the surface battle

I really hope this was only combat animation problem

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RE: PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/13/2004 8:29:29 AM

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I think you borked yourself by having the AG(barges) in there along with major surface combatants. Plus, look at the SIZE of that formation! Holy shamoly! I don't think that the screen will SHOW all the units that you have there. Probably, that's why you never saw the PTs on the shooting screen. Now, as to why they aren't on the CR, I don't know.

What I would suggest is to keep the barges in their own TF and have the combatants in another SCTF following it, if you want to cover it.

And Pts do not rule. Counter example is one damaged Hibiki took down 3 of 4 that I had in Tarakan and never got hit. But they can get lucky, like any other weapon of destruction, given the right circumstances. Like one torp to the Kongo's mag space.....

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RE: PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/13/2004 5:57:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tabpub

I think you borked yourself by having the AG(barges) in there along with major surface combatants. Plus, look at the SIZE of that formation! Holy shamoly! I don't think that the screen will SHOW all the units that you have there. Probably, that's why you never saw the PTs on the shooting screen. Now, as to why they aren't on the CR, I don't know.

What I would suggest is to keep the barges in their own TF and have the combatants in another SCTF following it, if you want to cover it.

And Pts do not rule. Counter example is one damaged Hibiki took down 3 of 4 that I had in Tarakan and never got hit. But they can get lucky, like any other weapon of destruction, given the right circumstances. Like one torp to the Kongo's mag space.....

When one side has one TF in a hex, and other side has multiple TFs, that single TF will initiate battles with all enemy TFs in hex. So if I leave AGs or any other non combat ships without escorts I am looking for trouble...
Transport TF limit is 100 ships, I wonder what would happen if such TF got intercepted :)

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RE: PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/13/2004 6:02:45 PM

Ron Saueracker

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Djordje

quote:

ORIGINAL: tabpub

I think you borked yourself by having the AG(barges) in there along with major surface combatants. Plus, look at the SIZE of that formation! Holy shamoly! I don't think that the screen will SHOW all the units that you have there. Probably, that's why you never saw the PTs on the shooting screen. Now, as to why they aren't on the CR, I don't know.

What I would suggest is to keep the barges in their own TF and have the combatants in another SCTF following it, if you want to cover it.

And Pts do not rule. Counter example is one damaged Hibiki took down 3 of 4 that I had in Tarakan and never got hit. But they can get lucky, like any other weapon of destruction, given the right circumstances. Like one torp to the Kongo's mag space.....

When one side has one TF in a hex, and other side has multiple TFs, that single TF will initiate battles with all enemy TFs in hex. So if I leave AGs or any other non combat ships without escorts I am looking for trouble...
Transport TF limit is 100 ships, I wonder what would happen if such TF got intercepted :)

I don't like this much. I think there should be a possibility that some TFs are undetected or something to that effect. It amazes me that this is not the case, but is regarding ships IN a TF.

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RE: PT nightmare continues - stealth PT boats - 12/14/2004 7:50:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

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ORIGINAL: Djordje

When one side has one TF in a hex, and other side has multiple TFs, that single TF will initiate battles with all enemy TFs in hex. So if I leave AGs or any other non combat ships without escorts I am looking for trouble...
Transport TF limit is 100 ships, I wonder what would happen if such TF got intercepted :)

I don't like this much. I think there should be a possibility that some TFs are undetected or something to that effect. It amazes me that this is not the case, but is regarding ships IN a TF.

I don't like it either. I've spoken about it in another thread called "Is this normal?", where I had enemy surface combat TF that has lost a battle attacking my other TFs in the hex, which were transport invasion TFs. It is easy to exploit current system, all you have to do is to set base that you want to defend as home base, and put lots of some small ships in it to die along with BBs and CAs that will probably survive. You then just send your surface combat TF into the hex where you expect to be attacked (and which is home base to that TF, although you made it somewhere else), and watch your small ships sink causing whole TF to retire, not leaving the hex because it is in it's "home base", and attacking all other TFs in hex, which are of course transport TFs...
The way system works is that every friendly TF in hex is going to have battle with every enemy TF in hex if at least one side can initiate combat (has SC, ASW or bombardment TF). You can sink and damage almost whole enemy fleet without receiving a single shot, and stll the enemy survivors will proceed to annihilate your transports while your victorious surface combat TF stands by watching the fireworks...

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