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RE: Midway Invasion - 12/21/2004 1:04:40 AM   
ADavidB


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Ground combat at Midway
Americans have six divisions at Midway.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8334 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 56208 troops, 399 guns, 3 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
2 casualties reported


You know, this is absolutely nuts - there isn't room for 64,000 people on Midway, and if you did happen to fit them all there, you would need to have them all standing packed next to each other.

Mike, Kid, Pry, Mog... all of you - why won't you admit that the ground combat model is broken? It doesn't work on mainland locations and it is ludicrous on atolls.

Dave Baranyi

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RE: Midway Invasion - 12/21/2004 1:07:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like those bombardment casualties though. With that many people on Midway, one grenade will kill 20-30 people.

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Sorong - 12/21/2004 1:18:06 AM   
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Frogger - 12/21/2004 1:19:13 AM   
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RE: Frogger - 12/21/2004 1:20:27 AM   
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RE: Frogger - 12/21/2004 1:44:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude

Nothing will stop the 50 division invasion of India.



Maybe this AAR should be dedicated to Harry Turtledove

Keep it going chaps

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Nuts! - 12/21/2004 2:27:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Several IJN battleships and heavy crusiers sneak into same hex with US carriers at Midway. They refused to fight. What a waste of an effort.




AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/06/43

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Day Air attack on Kai Island , at 39,78


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 19
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9
B-17E Fortress x 37
B-24D Liberator x 12


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 51

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
F6F Hellcat x 9
PBY Catalina x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 41
PB4Y Liberator x 55
B-24D Liberator x 55


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported

Port hits 15
Port fuel hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
22 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Moloaki , at 113,68


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 4
P-38G Lightning x 55


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
40 x P-38G Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
15 x P-38G Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 54th Division, at 112,68


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 1
P-38G Lightning x 26


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x P-38G Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Reserve Tank Regiment, at 36,24


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 7
Vengeance I x 25


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 13
Beaufighter VIC x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25


Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 5
Martin 139 x 6
B-17E Fortress x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 23rd Tank Regiment, at 33,26


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 17


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 6

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 14th Base Force, at 95,61


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD Dauntless x 19


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 30th Division, at 42,74


Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 9
B-24D Liberator x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
6 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 6
Kittyhawk III x 3
Hudson I x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD APD-35

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74
Last of Sorong task force being attacked.

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
SBD Dauntless x 9
Avenger II x 3
Kittyhawk I x 16
Kittyhawk III x 6
Hudson I x 2
Beaufort V-IX x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Josho Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Chihaya Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Avenger II launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Sorong , at 42,74
Ambonia needs time to rebuild.

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 18
B5N Kate x 22
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 10
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
Kittyhawk I x 36
Kittyhawk III x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 18 destroyed, 2 damaged
B5N Kate: 37 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 21 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Manokwari at 44,75


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
Avenger II x 3
Kittyhawk I x 19
Kittyhawk III x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Avenger II: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Huso Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Avenger II launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 95,60
Stupid ships risk several air attacks, then decide to not fight.


Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 26


Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 6 destroyed, 26 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Musashi
CA Haguro

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 95,60
The Nagato wants to sink some carriers but the computer says no.

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
TBF Avenger x 9


Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 10 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
CA Chikuma
CA Tone

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 95,60
The crew of the Musashi gets experience firing AA guns.

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
TBF Avenger x 9


Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Chikuma
BB Musashi

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Midway

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3207 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 56992 troops, 401 guns, 3 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Sorong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2349 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 31826 troops, 303 guns, 24 vehicles



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Ground combat at Sorong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24674 troops, 215 guns, 14 vehicles

Defending force 16652 troops, 65 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/07/43


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Sub attack at 42,43

Japanese Ships
AK Sinno Maru
PC Ch 10
PC Ch 8
PC Ch 6
DD Hamakaze
DD Isonami

Allied Ships
SS Halibut

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 28
B-17E Fortress x 60
PB4Y Liberator x 47


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 112

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
8 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 30th Division, at 42,74


Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 11
B-24D Liberator x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Truk at 63,78


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 39
F6F Hellcat x 22
F4U-1 Corsair x 7
SBD Dauntless x 37


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 30, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Genoa Maru, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
308 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
Avenger II x 3
Kittyhawk I x 13
Kittyhawk III x 6
Hudson I x 2
Beaufort V-IX x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Nichiren Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APD APD-35, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Avenger II launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 42,73


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 11
TBF Avenger x 9
Kittyhawk I x 12
Kittyhawk III x 3
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Josho Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AP Monji Maru, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Midway

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3231 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 57449 troops, 414 guns, 3 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Sorong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2328 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 32430 troops, 301 guns, 25 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Sorong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25284 troops, 213 guns, 14 vehicles

Defending force 16703 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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RE: Midway Invasion - 12/21/2004 2:56:17 AM   
jnier


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ADavidB

quote:

Ground combat at Midway
Americans have six divisions at Midway.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8334 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 56208 troops, 399 guns, 3 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
2 casualties reported


You know, this is absolutely nuts - there isn't room for 64,000 people on Midway, and if you did happen to fit them all there, you would need to have them all standing packed next to each other.

Mike, Kid, Pry, Mog... all of you - why won't you admit that the ground combat model is broken? It doesn't work on mainland locations and it is ludicrous on atolls.

Dave Baranyi


Wrong. It is not absolutely nuts. Consider Betio. Betio is approximately 290 acres. In the course of the battle for Betio there were 35,000 US troops committeed and 4,800 Japanese. That roughly 40,000 men. 139 men/acre

The two largest islands in the Midway Atoll are Eastern and Sand Islands (both of which housed the base's facilities back in WW2). Eastern Island is approximately 320 acres and Sand island is approximately 1,280 acres, for a grand total of about 1,600 acres (maybe a little less than this). So if there were 64,000 men on both islands that would be 40 men/acre.

If we were to use Betio as the upper limit of what an island could contain for short periods of time, Eastern & Sand island could conceivably contain 220,000 men. I will grant you that in WITP a player could concievably pack 500,000 troops on Midway (or Betio for that matter). I do not believe the game prevents this. But a player that did that would be a complete idiot (there's no sensible reason to do that), so there is no need for a mechanic to prevent it.

Once again, before you attack the developers for something that you beleive to be "nuts," get your facts straight.

The land model is NOT broken in situations like this. It does fine with atolls and islands.

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RE: Midway Invasion - 12/21/2004 3:23:38 AM   
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I've wondered about that issue with all the comments that have appeared. Thanks for bringing some facts to it.

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RE: Midway Invasion - 12/21/2004 4:47:20 AM   
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Midway Intensifies - 12/21/2004 7:48:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/10/43

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Sub attack at 56,88

Japanese Ships
PG Choan Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
PG Choko Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS S-34

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Coastal Guns at Midway, 95,61, firing at TF 1072
TF 1072 troops unloading over beach at Midway, 95,61
Ouch.

984 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
SC SC-643, Shell hits 23, on fire, heavy damage
AK William Williams, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AK William Vanderbilt, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-636, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-641, Shell hits 20
AK William S. Young, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Samuel F. Miller, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
AK Robert J. Walker, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-519, Shell hits 2
AK Phoebe A. Hearst, Shell hits 5, on fire


Allied ground losses:
1475 casualties reported

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Sub attack at 56,86
Allied subs rarely miss nowadays, time for the Really Big Convoy System.

Japanese Ships
AS Yasukuni Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Kyo Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS KXV

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Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 33,26


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 21


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
8 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 12
Beaufighter VIC x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25


Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 10


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 3
Martin 139 x 6
B-17E Fortress x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Armored Div , at 33,26


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Armored Div , at 33,26


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 3
Martin 139 x 3
B-17E Fortress x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Midway at 95,61
Barges attempt to resupply Midway.

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5069, Shell hits 4
AG AG-5071, Shell hits 8
AG AG-5070, Shell hits 8
AG AG-5029
AG AG-5067, Shell hits 8
AG AG-5048, Shell hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
4 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet

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Ground combat at Midway
Zeta has landed two engineering regiments to help dig the Japs out of their coral block houses.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8700 troops, 37 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 59996 troops, 445 guns, 2 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Sorong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25745 troops, 215 guns, 16 vehicles

Defending force 16206 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
175 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Midway

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 56306 troops, 445 guns, 2 vehicles

Defending force 18002 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
440 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Guns lost 4





AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/11/43


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Coastal Guns at Midway, 95,61, firing at TF 1072
TF 1072 troops unloading over beach at Midway, 95,61
Several subchasers sink.

897 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
SC SC-641, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
AK William T. Sherman, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-520, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-637, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-640, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-638, Shell hits 26, on fire, heavy damage
AK Samuel F. Miller, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-519, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
AK Robert H. Harrison, Shell hits 8, on fire
AK Phoebe A. Hearst, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-518


Allied ground losses:
734 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Midway, 95,61, firing at TF 1072
TF 1072 troops unloading over beach at Midway, 95,61
I don't think many of these transports will make it back to port.

553 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
AK William Williams, Shell hits 24, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-518, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
AK William T. Sherman, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Samuel F. Miller, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AK Robert H. Harrison, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
194 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Kai Island , at 39,78


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 17
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9
B-17E Fortress x 42
B-24D Liberator x 10


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 78

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 19
B-17E Fortress x 46
PB4Y Liberator x 43


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 58

Aircraft Attacking:
37 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
12 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
7 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 19
F6F Hellcat x 4
PBY Catalina x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 40
PB4Y Liberator x 52
B-24D Liberator x 54


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Port hits 15
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Moloaki , at 113,68


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 8
P-38G Lightning x 62


No Allied losses

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
45 x P-38G Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
17 x P-38G Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 12
Beaufighter VIC x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25


Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9
Martin 139 x 3
B-17E Fortress x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Waigeu Island at 41,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
G4M2 Betty x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 62
F6F Hellcat x 27
F4U-1 Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 25 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Waigeu Island at 41,73

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 34
F6F Hellcat x 39
F4U-1 Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 8 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 17 destroyed


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Midway at 95,61
They were expendable.

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5029, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
AG AG-5030, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5031, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5032, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5033, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5048, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5049, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-5050, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5051, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-5052, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5067, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5070, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5071, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Washington
BB South Dakota
BB Massachusetts
CA New Orleans
CA Astoria
CA Quincy
CA Wichita
CL Nashville
CL Cleveland
CL Columbia
CL Denver
DD Grayson
DD Aaron Ward
DD Lardner


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Ground combat at Midway

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7001 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61239 troops, 447 guns, 2 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Sorong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25778 troops, 214 guns, 16 vehicles

Defending force 16059 troops, 63 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Midway
Level 8 forts hold another day.

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 58244 troops, 444 guns, 2 vehicles

Defending force 17431 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
347 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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RE: Midway Invasion - 12/21/2004 4:42:55 PM   
IKerensky

 

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Status: offline 		Well if you consider the japanese habit of digging out tunnel I guess you can double the capability of certain islands ;)


Netherless just calculating the actual superficy of the island isn't telling, what we need to know is the actual MEANINGFULL superficy, that is not already occupied by other feature.

Another element is the way troups are deployed for combat duty. You can pack 50.000 spectator in a footbal arena, but there is only 25 people on the grass running ( a bit more for your US Footbal fans :p ). War is pretty the same thing, there is a limit on the people able to conduct operation on a front, and this limit is far small than the number of people that can just stand there.

You can put all the humans that ever walk the earth into the Victoria lakes without raising his level a full centimeter... But crowd just your entire town on a beach and you will find it unlivable.

Crunching numbers is limitless, arguing on simulation systema in limitless...

But some things need to be reworked:
- Bombardement is NOT ratio related but volume related: Simple fix: 1.000 guns firing = 150.000 Tons of explosive power delivered = 1500 x 100 kg air bombs applied to the hex. square and flat. ( I know my maths are wrong but I wanted to show the logic, not the exact ratio of conversion for each step... ).

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Math - 12/21/2004 8:18:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The math that I find interesting is the victory conditions. Dude needs a 3 to 1 lead in 1944 to win. That means he'll need around 75,000 VPs (a gain of about 25,000 -- are there enough in India to provide that?) to cover what Zeta has already. With Zeta picking up Pacific bases, Dude will need to add more than that.

To win in 1945, he only needs 2 to 1, but by then the Zeta should have established his bases in the Marianas and be bombing the hell out of Japan. One of Dude's weak point - his pilots suck and his planes are out of date -- will be very telling there as Zeta builds up strategic warfare VPs.

Then, if he can isolate Japan, there is the issue of supplying Japanese armies in China/Russia/India. It isn't simply a question of supplyng Japan, but rather of Japan supplying the field armies. Once Zeta gets a blockade on the home islands in place, Dude's troops in the field will be in trouble -- fighting at 1/4 strength in places where the Allies can bring overwhelming force to bear locally. If Zeta can put 6 divisions on Midway now in late 1943, he can put 10+ divisions into Singapore, Diamond Harbor, Formosa or wherever in 1945.

A question -- if Zeta could liberate a portion of the western USSR with US troops, would a lot of new Russian reinforcements come online all at once in the liberated supply hexes?

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RE: Math - 12/21/2004 8:36:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Japanese control quite a bit of supply production on the Asian continent now (over 50 resource locations). I may move my capital from Tokyo to Chungking or Mukden soon. Let the Americans have Honshu, who needs it anyway?

Updated Map:




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RE: Math - 12/21/2004 8:53:32 PM   
duckenf

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude

The Japanese control quite a bit of supply production on the Asian continent now (over 50 resource locations). I may move my capital from Tokyo to Chungking or Mukden soon. Let the Americans have Honshu, who needs it anyway?



I figure Calcutta might be a good central spot

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Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 2:08:08 AM   
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TF 3 encounters mine field at Palembang (20,55)

Japanese Ships
MSW W.13
MSW W.15
MSW W.16
MSW W.7

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Naval bombardment of Midway, at 95,61 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

58 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Columbia, Shell hits 2
CL Cleveland, Shell hits 4
CL Nashville
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans, Shell hits 3
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 10
BB South Dakota
BB Washington

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Runway hits 3

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Coastal Guns at Midway, 95,61, firing at TF 1092
TF 1092 troops unloading over beach at Midway, 95,61
More reinforcements arrive at Midway, several landing craft are sunk.

1499 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCI LCI-400, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Shell hits 37, on fire
LCI LCI-221, Shell hits 20, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-216, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-83, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
DD Abbot, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-62, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
CL Chicago, Shell hits 24
LCI LCI-24, Shell hits 31, on fire, heavy damage
CL Santa Fe, Shell hits 50, on fire
LST LST-456, Shell hits 1, on fire
LST LST-338, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
DD Bennett
LST LST-26, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Fletcher, Shell hits 2
LST LST-23, Shell hits 1
LST LST-18, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
APD Dickerson, Shell hits 2, on fire
APD Herbert, Shell hits 3, on fire
APD Brooks, Shell hits 26, on fire, heavy damage
APD Gregory, Shell hits 11, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
302 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
2967 casualties reported
Guns lost 39
Vehicles lost 27

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Coastal Guns at Midway, 95,61, firing at TF 1155
TF 1155 troops unloading over beach at Midway, 95,61


205 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DD Laffey, Shell hits 13
DD Edwards, Shell hits 1
AP Warren, Shell hits 1, on fire
AP Fuller, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
AP Barnett, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
1433 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Sub attack at 25,50

Japanese Ships
AP Fusemi Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Banshu Maru #52

Allied Ships
SS Trident

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 16
P-40N Warhawk x 4
B-17E Fortress x 18
PB4Y Liberator x 36

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 117

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
F6F Hellcat x 8
PBY Catalina x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 31
PB4Y Liberator x 58
B-24D Liberator x 36

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on Moloaki , at 113,68

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 3
P-38G Lightning x 48

No Allied losses

Port supply hits 2

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Day Air attack on 54th Division, at 112,68

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 2
P-38G Lightning x 33

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Day Air attack on 1st Reserve Tank Regiment, at 36,24

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 3
Vengeance I x 25

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 66th Naval Guard Unit, at 95,61

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
SBD Dauntless x 3
TBF Avenger x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 10
Beaufighter VIC x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 3

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 12

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 18
Liberator VI x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 14th Base Force, at 95,61

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
SBD Dauntless x 3
TBF Avenger x 29

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBF Avenger: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
8 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 30th Division, at 42,74

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 14
B-24J Liberator x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
142 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Day Air attack on 47th Division, at 36,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 9
Beaufighter VIC x 7

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF, near Amboina at 39,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 7

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Aobasan Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage


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Ground combat at Midway

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5797 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 82344 troops, 603 guns, 93 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Sorong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12260 troops, 57 guns, 1 vehicles

Defending force 41078 troops, 376 guns, 261 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Sorong
Japanese units pushed into the jungle.

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35803 troops, 333 guns, 249 vehicles

Defending force 16015 troops, 61 guns, 1 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
180 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Midway
Allies gain control of Midway after brutal four week fight.

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 79194 troops, 603 guns, 93 vehicles

Defending force 13760 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied forces CAPTURE Midway base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
2685 casualties reported
Guns lost 19

Allied ground losses:
1128 casualties reported
Guns lost 30
Vehicles lost 8





AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/19/43


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Sub attack at 58,74

Japanese Ships
AP Haruna Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Kikuzuki

Allied Ships
SS Triton

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported

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ASW attack at 97,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-2, hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
LCI LCI-223
LCI LCI-23
LST LST-462
LST LST-461
LST LST-458
LST LST-449
LST LST-447
LST LST-353
LST LST-350
LST LST-28
APD Dickerson, on fire
APD Kane
APD Herbert
APD Gilmer
APD Kilty
APD Crosby

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Day Air attack on Imphal , at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 3
Wellington III x 60
P-40E Warhawk x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 85

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Day Air attack on Ledo , at 36,25

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 107

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 173

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 15
B-17E Fortress x 18
PB4Y Liberator x 35

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 116

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Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 6
Brewster 339D x 5
Wellington III x 46

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Day Air attack on 66th Naval Guard Unit, at 95,61

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
SBD Dauntless x 2
TBF Avenger x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9
Martin 139 x 4
B-17E Fortress x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on 14th Base Force, at 95,61

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
SBD Dauntless x 4
TBF Avenger x 30

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
8 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Amboina at 39,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3
Hudson I x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Aobasan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


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Ground combat at Midway

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 89577 troops, 741 guns, 89 vehicles

Defending force 9024 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 289 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
636 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
410 casualties reported
Guns lost 13

< Message edited by WiTP_Dude -- 12/21/2004 7:49:45 PM >

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 3:04:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Midway is worthless, let the Japanese troops there alone. Start going after some valuable targets before you lose the war.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 3:10:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well That was way to much work to take Midway, The shock attack is a killer for the landing troops. I could land in Russia but I wiould need to get all the way to Isturk to get any troops back, no way I get there. I have a plan for India, it will go into action at the right time. It will work becasue of my navy and air force, it may not when the war but will save me a lot points. I am bulding supply and fuel in OZ, and have American and British Carrier groups there. I have a lot of assult points there to work with have moved a ton of planes there. I get a few more division in the next couple of weeks that will be put to good use soon. I will put up some stats soon, and break down ship loses a little.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 3:14:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will but it sucks to have this behind your lines. I can't recon it from anywhere and my PBY's and search planes can't spot a tjhing more than a hex or two away. Thank god there are only a few more atolls left to attack. My BB's don't hit crap when the bombard. Look at the AAR's my ships seem to suck at this.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 3:18:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think I will lose on points before the end of 44. That gives me a lot of time. Once he takes India, where we will not get as many popints as he thinks. He is going to have a hard time getting a lot of points. He will have no big land battles to fight and by the time India falls I think I will be in good shape to keep him from deploying those troops to other places.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 4:25:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		The troops in India will be able to redeploy to China or Siberia using the railroad. The Allies can attempt a landing in the mainland but they need to be prepared to quickly send in multiple divisions to support the beachhead. Otherwise they will thrown back into the sea.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 4:31:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I mean redeployment to Islands and such. That is going to be the hard thing for him to do. I have no chance to ever take a mainland base. I don't think I can take a Island base with a lot of troops becasue with the new version i think it is very hard to starve them out and to hurt anything with naval bombers. I am attacking PH withn a lot of heavy bombers and they are not gettting many hits. So it is going to be tuff to take places like Saipan where no heavy allied bomber can reach them. Naval air just does not do the trick and by bombardments have not done much.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 4:50:51 AM   
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Sub attack at 56,86
Allied subs rarely miss nowadays, time for the Really Big Convoy System.

Japanese Ships
AS Yasukuni Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Kyo Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS KXV

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Yes, so his roving Carrier TF's have some BIG juicy targets to hit

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 6:27:18 AM   
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