Desertdaddy
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I want to believe but the combat reports say something different. This time invasion TF against Saipan, same leader, same APs, no FOW. Lots of nice CD guns to contend with.
10 AP no support, IJN base had very minor damage. A few 5” & 3” ammo decerased
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/20/44
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Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1001
TF 1001 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64
776 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
AP Leonard Wood, Shell hits 2
AP Heywood, Shell hits 12, on fire
AP Neville, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AP George F. Elliot, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
AP Fuller, Shell hits 3, on fire
AP American Legion, Shell hits 7, on fire
AP W.A. Holbrook, Shell hits 7, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
932 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 18
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10AP, 40 LCI(G), 9 LCI(R), 12 LSM (R), CD guns 25 disruption. 2 LCI(G) ammo 0 but also Sys 99 Float 99 Fire 248 (yes 248!). ammo could have blown up (magazine explosion?). A few 5” & 3” guns had less ammo.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/13/44
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Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1001
TF 1001 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64
1202 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCI(G) LCI-61, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
AP Arthur Middleton, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
AP Calvert, Shell hits 30, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI-65, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI-69, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI-66, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
AP Heywood, Shell hits 3, on fire
AP Neville, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI(G)-77, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AP George F. Elliot, Shell hits 4, on fire
LCI(G) LCI-70, Shell hits 6, on fire
LCI(G) LCI-64, Shell hits 4
AP W.A. Holbrook, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI-68, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Allied ground losses:
1427 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
Vehicles lost 4
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10 AP % 15 LCI(G). CD no damage or disruption. Very small amount of fire from 5” and 3” guns
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/14/44
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Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1001
TF 1001 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64
1004 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCI(G) LCI-66, Shell hits 30, on fire, heavy damage
AP Arthur Middleton, Shell hits 6
AP Calvert, Shell hits 1, on fire
LCI(G) LCI-64, Shell hits 2
AP Leonard Wood, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI-67, Shell hits 4
AP Heywood, Shell hits 2, on fire
AP George F. Elliot, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
AP American Legion, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI-61, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP W.A. Holbrook, Shell hits 13, on fire
LCI(G) LCI-68, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
1030 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
Vehicles lost 21
I do agree that costal defense guns increase the landing casualties. This may be because of all the AP hits (hitting the troops before they can disembark) not necessarily hitting the troops on the beach. I just don’t see the advantage of including these LCI type ships in an invasion fleet. Their contribution is next to nothing and their numbers added up make an extreme disadvantage. Add these support ships and take more damage. Is the solution smaller invasion TFs like below?
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1AP. 0 disruption on IJN base, no ammo decrease.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/16/44
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Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1001
TF 1001 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64
20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
AP American Legion
Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
I will test any way you want, but from the results I've seem all day long. More ships is more casualties no matter if LCI(G)s are present or not.
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