Apollo11
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Hi all, As promised here are test results against transport ships when B-29's are substituted by B-17E's - everything else is same as in previous tests (see below for more details and cross-check with similar test in this same thread when no AAA was present)! IMPORTANT NOTE: In order to achieve this I just changed aircraft type used by bomber groups from B-29 to B-17E. This way all pilots are same and leaders are also the same. I also changed B-17E endurance to match the endurance of B-29 (without this they would lack range). Description: I created brand new custom scenario for this testing. There are only 3 islands present: Marcus Island, Wake Island and Midway. Marcus Island is IJN base while Midway is USN base. For this test Wake Island is made Japanese base with both Port and Airbase (and SPS) of 6. There are 7 Japanese LCU's (1x 2nd Fleet HQ, 2x Heavy AA Bn and 4x AA Rgt) at Wake Island together with ships in port. Weather is always clear. FoW is OFF. Two B-17E's groups have their default leaders (50's/60's ratings) while their EXP and morale is set to 70. The B-17E's have to fly 14 HEXes from Midway to Wake Island. The B-17E's attack from 10000ft. In Japanese held port there are 10x AO, 10x TK and 30x AP ships (all sizes and shapes). 5 consecutive runs of scenario in day (i.e. daytime bombings): ******************************************************************************** AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 87 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 18 damaged Japanese Ships AP Asama Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage AP Awa Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire AP Ayaha Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Azuchi Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage AO Naruto, Bomb hits 1 AP Arugun Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Chichibu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AP Argentina Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage AP Arizana Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Akashisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Aikoku Maru, Bomb hits 2 TK Choran Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Amakasu Maru #1, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Aratama Maru, Bomb hits 1 AO Hayamoto, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arizona Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AP Awajisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Ondo, Bomb hits 3, on fire AP Ayato Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Atuta Maru, Bomb hits 1 AO Iro, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AO Kazahaya, Bomb hits 2 AP Hakone Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Aki Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Ayo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Ayatosan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Aiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Akatsuki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire TK Azuma Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Takasaki, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Achou Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Anrugu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Africa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Arima Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Atsuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Akatuki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Amatsu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Sunosaki, Bomb hits 1, on fire Japanese ground losses: 645 casualties reported Guns lost 24 Port hits 14 Port supply hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 48 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 24 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet ******************************************************************************** AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 91 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 26 damaged Japanese Ships AO Sunosaki, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Atuta Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Azuchi Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Ayato Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Africa Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Ayo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Ayatosan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Awajisan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Astuga Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Amatsu Maru, Bomb hits 1 TK Akatuki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Aratama Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Asama Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Chichibu Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage TK Eiho Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Erimo, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arabia Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Aiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1 AO Takasaki, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Hakone Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Aki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arizana Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Akashisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arizona Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire AP Ayaha Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Banshu Maru #21, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Aikoku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Achou Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Kazahaya, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arugun Maru, Bomb hits 1 AO Ondo, Bomb hits 1 AP Argentina Maru, Bomb hits 1 TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire Japanese ground losses: 404 casualties reported Guns lost 17 Port hits 11 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 48 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 20 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet ******************************************************************************** AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 89 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 22 damaged Japanese Ships AO Kazahaya, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Asama Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Amakasu Maru #1, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Takasaki, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Hakone Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Africa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Hayasui, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Anzan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Ayatosan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arizana Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Ayo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Atsuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Hayamoto, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Gokoku Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AO Iro, Bomb hits 2, on fire TK Akatsuki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Aiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Fujisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Sunosaki, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Banshu Maru #21, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Astuga Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Anrugu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Akatuki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Atuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Ondo, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Erimo, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Naruto, Bomb hits 1 Japanese ground losses: 284 casualties reported Guns lost 16 Port hits 6 Port fuel hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 46 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 27 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 11 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet ******************************************************************************** AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 91 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 28 damaged Japanese Ships AP Awa Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AO Iro, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage AP Azuchi Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Banshu Maru #21, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AP Akashisan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Achou Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire AP Aki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage TK Arima Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AO Sunosaki, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AO Takasaki, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage TK Akatuki Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AO Erimo, Bomb hits 3, on fire AP Astuga Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Arizana Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Ayaha Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Anrugu Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AP Arugun Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AP Atsuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Africa Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Chichibu Maru, Bomb hits 1 TK Eiho Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AP Ayo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire AO Hayamoto, Bomb hits 3, on fire AP Awajisan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Aiyo Maru, Bomb hits 2 TK Choran Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Anzan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire TK Akatsuki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Hakone Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Gokoku Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Arizona Maru, Bomb hits 1 TK Azuma Maru, Bomb hits 1 AO Hayasui, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Ayato Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Ondo, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Fujisan Maru, Bomb hits 1 Japanese ground losses: 731 casualties reported Guns lost 32 Port hits 10 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 36 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 26 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet ******************************************************************************** AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 93 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 28 damaged Japanese Ships AP Anzan Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage AP Arizana Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Argentina Maru, Bomb hits 2 AP Atsuta Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire TK Choran Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Arabia Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AO Notoro, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Eiho Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Atuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arugun Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Arima Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Akashisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Achou Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Azuma Maru, Bomb hits 1 AO Erimo, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Iro, Bomb hits 3, on fire AP Hakone Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Aratama Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Ayato Maru, Bomb hits 1 TK Fujisan Maru, Bomb hits 2 AO Ondo, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Amatsu Maru, Bomb hits 1 AO Sunosaki, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Ayatosan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AO Hayasui, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Chichibu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Amakasu Maru #1, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Ayaha Maru, Bomb hits 1 TK Akatsuki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Azuchi Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage TK Eiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Astuga Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Banshu Maru #21, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Asama Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Japanese ground losses: 436 casualties reported Guns lost 20 Port hits 9 Port fuel hits 1 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 36 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 32 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet ******************************************************************************** 1 run of scenario at night (i.e. night bombing) for comparison only: ******************************************************************************** AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/02/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 59 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 13 damaged Japanese Ships AP Ayatosan Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Azuchi Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Amakasu Maru #1, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Akashisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Anrugu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Ayo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arugun Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Ayato Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Hayasui, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Banshu Maru #21, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Arizana Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire Japanese ground losses: 201 casualties reported Guns lost 13 Port hits 1 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 32 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 27 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet ******************************************************************************** Discussion: Similar to my previous B-29's test the B-17E's also wrecked havoc similar to when there was no Japanese AAA present. Also there was just one instance of test run when there were destroyed B-17E's. One other thing - attack at night was the most massive one I ever saw in any of my test... Note that Japanese AAA units consist of: Heavy AA Bn (2 units used): 105mm AA Gun x18 13 mm AAMG (2) x 6 Heavy AA Rgt (4 units used): 105mm AA Gun x12 75mm AA Gun x12 13 mm AAMG (2) x 8 Thus there were (in total): 105mm AA Gun x84 75mm AA Gun x48 13 mm AAMG (2) x44 Also note that that there were _NO_ 20mm AA Gun in OOB because only IJN AAA units have it and there are no separate IJN AA units in OOB - therefore I had to use the IJA AAA units (although the height at which bombers attacked = 10000 ft would be too high for 25mm anyways)... Leo "Apollo11"
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