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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/7/2005 7:18:17 PM   
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50% CAP and short range works for me. I think it's random, or affected by weather, leaders, etc. Especially weather I think.

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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/7/2005 7:27:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sveint

50% CAP and short range works for me. I think it's random, or affected by weather, leaders, etc. Especially weather I think.


Surely weather will affect the strike in total, not just the fighters ?

You may well be right about the leaders though. The only time I saw this problem was when I had a strange admiral in charge of the Air Combat TF. I have never seen it happen with Mr Nagumo or Mr Yamaguchi in charge, but then I have always used 60% CAP, max range since the one time I saw the problem ... It was a long time ago though, I can't remember what lead me to my conclusions.

Another possibility that occurs to me - perhaps the fighter escorts are doing a "UNABLE TO LOCATE TARGET" but this is just not shown when they fly from carriers? I seem to remember that fatigue was gained by the apparently non-escorting fighter pilots.

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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/7/2005 7:28:45 PM   
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That is the reasonable explanation Sveint - but it has been a little 'too random' for me since the enemy - which supposedly should be more proned to launch unescorted strikes in 1942 - has been escorting most of his carrier strikes thus far. Weather has been the same for both parts and the tf's involved have usually involved 2 cvs (+ 1 cvl in the last incident).

Guess I've been plain unlucky, but it's really unnerving and I'm really not looking forward to a future showdown with US cv's

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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/7/2005 7:35:41 PM   
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I launched 4 strikes from my cv's in yesterdays battle against the British, so it's strange that the escort got lost in all of them! Guess it was one large strike that got dispersed and then only the fighters failed to locate the target. Exactly the same thing that happened to the Soryu and Hiryu's strikes a few months ago...?

My commanders have usually been supposedly the most capable ones - if Nagumo is busy elsewhere - I'd pick an admiral with high leadership and skill ratings that was best suited to command a carrier tf.

Perhaps we could create a list over the 10 best IJN carrier commanders?

Nagumo and Yamaguchi are given ones..

quote:

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

Surely weather will affect the strike in total, not just the fighters ?

You may well be right about the leaders though. The only time I saw this problem was when I had a strange admiral in charge of the Air Combat TF. I have never seen it happen with Mr Nagumo or Mr Yamaguchi in charge, but then I have always used 60% CAP, max range since the one time I saw the problem ... It was a long time ago though, I can't remember what lead me to my conclusions.

Another possibility that occurs to me - perhaps the fighter escorts are doing a "UNABLE TO LOCATE TARGET" but this is just not shown when they fly from carriers? I seem to remember that fatigue was gained by the apparently non-escorting fighter pilots.


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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/8/2005 2:04:46 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/31/42

Surface Combat

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Sub attack at 18,2

Japanese Ships - west of Karachi
SS I-170

Allied Ships
AK Kiangsu, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack at 27,24

Japanese Ships - patiently the subs have been waiting west of Diamond Harbour...
SS I-157

Allied Ships - and today they got Revenge
BB Revenge, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Air Combat

Day Air attack on Jamshedpur , at 28,22

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
Ki-21 Sally x 50
Ki-48 Lily x 39
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 12 damaged

Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 82

Aircraft Attacking:
All Sally and Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 16
Beaufort V-IX x 15
P-40E Warhawk x 30
B-26B Marauder x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
All Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
All B-26B Marauder bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on Shortlands , at 63,93

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft - the first medium bomber raid from Lunga
B-25C Mitchell x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 7 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
All B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Imperial Guards Division, at 31,21

Allied aircraft - raids from Lucknow, a small size 3 af north of Asansol
Buffalo I x 16
Wellington III x 21

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
All Wellington III bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 70th Division, at 44,38

Allied aircraft - the Chinese AF has also returned
IL-4c x 12
SB-2c x 30

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
All IL-4c bombing at 8000 feet
All SB-2c bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 48th Chinese Corps, at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 22
Ki-48 Lily x 13
Ki-49 Helen x 12
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
All Helen and Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 11
Ki-21 Sally x 18

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses - AA is heavy, have to raise the altitude of the attacking bombers!
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 21 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
All Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft - there were several smaller anti shipping raids from Colombo today!
Beaufort I x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AP Yamura Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships - this smal minelayer was sunk by no less than 3 torps!
ML Nasami, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Beaufort I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,2

Japanese aircraft - todays only carrier strike
A6M2 Zero x 12
D3A Val x 13
B5N Kate x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Deslock, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
All D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Calcutta

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 56161 troops, 299 guns, 144 vehicles

Defending force 22898 troops, 125 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7) - shortly 3 eng regiments will arrive and crack these forts

Japanese ground losses:
862 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
551 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
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Ground combat at Asansol

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 55063 troops, 345 guns, 316 vehicles

Defending force 14005 troops, 51 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 5) - hoping that Asansol will fall tomorrow!

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4

Japanese ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
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Situation Report

India

Wobbly performed some magic, and got the HMS Formidable out of my line of sight!
Car Div 1 will proceed due West - if the enemy cv isn't localized, there are plenty of transports fleeing from Karachi.
(See Situation Map) Kaga was able to launch only 1 strike on bad weather, but dozens of unescorted enemy transports were spotted. A base force unit is being air transported from Trimcomalee to Panaji, and I've already moved in Emily's.
Hopefully we can catch up with the Formidable - I got plenty fuel, something Al must be short of.

The badly damaged battleship Revenge tried to flee Diamond Harbour and caught 3 torpedoes! There are also other enemy ships heading west, and several subs are in position to intercept. Most of the bombers in Burma and India have also been put on naval attack. Those battleships are mine, I've deserved em

Asansol almost fell today, one or two more attacks should settle the case. The railroad north has now been cut.
(See Situation Map) Calcutta with its 7 forts remains a tough nut, but it's just a matter of time - 3 engineer regiments should be enough to reduce them. I'm hoping that the 2 divisions at Asansol can continue their advance north in order to cut of as many enemy units as possible.

A strike against the airfields at Lucknow has been ordered - there are both Buffalos and Wellingtons here.

Central/South Pacific

Mediums from PM and Lunga hit both Lae and Shortland today - Lae is really closed now...

Several convoys carrying reinforcements from China and Japan are now being directed towards Rabaul.
These reinforcements include engineer and tank regiments as well as another naval construction and AA unit. I'm expecting heavy bombing raids to hit the place shortly - 98 Zeros have been placed on 70% CAP!

Situation Map: India & Indian Ocean




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Tabular Records of Movement (TROMs) etc. - 1/8/2005 12:44:03 PM   
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I've been thinking about adding another element to this AAR, namely that of a Tabular Records of Movement or TROM.
This TROM will follow a certain vessel from day to day and a weekly post will give you all the details.

An example: excerpt from the heavy cruiser Mogamis TROM
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26 May 1942:
CruDiv 7 arrives at Guam (renamed Omiyajima) to provide close support for Rear Admiral (later Vice Admiral) Tanaka Raizo's (former CO of KONGO) Midway Invasion Transport Group: oiler AKEBONO MARU and the transports KIYOZUMI MARU, ZENYO MARU, TOA MARU No. 2, ARGENTINA MARU, BRAZIL MARU, AZUMA MARU, KEIYO MARU, GOSHU MARU, KANO MARU, HOKURIKU MARU, KIRISHIMA MARU and the NANKAI MARU. The transports carry 5,000 troops.

The MOGAMI refuels from an oiler.
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Before I start writing this TROM I have to decide what ship to follow, and for that I'm turning to you gents!
I'll give you several suggestions - and I'm of course open for others as well.

BB Yamato
CV Zuikaku
CA Haguro
CL Kitakami
DD Fubuki
SS I-xxx
AP/AK/TK etc

Alternatively we can also follow a certain Daitai or infantry unit, perhaps both if it doesn't take too much time.

What do you say?
Speak now or stay forever silent

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RE: Tabular Records of Movement (TROMs) etc. - 1/8/2005 5:04:05 PM   
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CA Atago!!!

My favorite class of Japanese ship...

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RE: Tabular Records of Movement (TROMs) etc. - 1/8/2005 11:05:13 PM   
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Seems like the Ca Atago it will be Madflava - your one voice got a 100% majority
Will introduce the ship and start a TROM from the first of June 1942! Let's say she's getting a new captain then!

A while since we've presented the overall situation as well, so I'll look into the lost-sunk stats tonight.
Almost been to war for 6 months now, and it's been action all the way! Incredible really, another half a year of this and there will be a lot of green pilots and worn down ships and ground units around...!

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RE: Tabular Records of Movement (TROMs) etc. - 1/8/2005 11:46:09 PM   
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DD TROMs are always interesting, they tend to be active and do all sorts of different missions.

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Asansol falls! - 1/9/2005 2:58:34 AM   
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That's true Sveint! In 13 days the fine destroyer Akizuki will be commissioned - will consider following this ship as well.
She's of the new type armed with 8 DP 3.9" guns!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

Surface Combat

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Naval bombardment of Bombay, at 20,10 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. - bah, I have to move the bb's all the way back to Trimcomalle - didn't help to replenish em at Panaji cause they didn't cause much damage!
Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso, Shell hits 6
BB Nagato
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 4
BB Haruna, Shell hits 14
BB Kongo

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
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Air Combat

Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 22
Ki-48 Lily x 29
Ki-49 Helen x 17
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses - managed to hit the Chinese unprepared over their home turf!
SB-2c: 13 destroyed, 13 damaged
IL-4c: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
All Helen and Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft - not easy to defend against such heavy strikes
Kittyhawk I x 16
Beaufort V-IX x 14
P-40E Warhawk x 30
B-26B Marauder x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
107 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 9
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
All Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
All B-26B Marauder bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on Shortlands , at 63,93

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 28

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
All B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7

Allied aircraft - a few Beauforts get through to the battleship...
Beaufort I x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships - and hits her!
BB Yamashiro, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage - damage is severe, but fortunately Trimcomalee is a size 9 port!

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 8,8

Japanese aircraft - there are 10 such attacks against single transports in the Indian Ocean today!
A6M2 Zero x 18
D3A Val x 13
B5N Kate x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Ibex, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
All D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 11,2

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
D3A Val x 16
B5N Kate x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK City of Manchester, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
All D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 7,9

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Heywood, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 7,8

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
B5N Kate x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Grenfell, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 11,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Tugela, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 10,3

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Sudabar, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
All D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 8,9

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Lionel, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
All D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 6,7

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire March, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 8,9

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Raleigh, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 12,5

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Wosang, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Asansol

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 56027 troops, 386 guns, 315 vehicles

Defending force 14701 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Asansol base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
260 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
512 casualties reported
Guns lost 23

Defeated Allied Units Retreating! - they retreated SE towards Burma <G>
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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62612 troops, 712 guns, 2 vehicles

Defending force 65134 troops, 441 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
147 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Calcutta

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 47793 troops, 286 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 9746 troops, 77 guns, 1 vehicles - not many enemy troops left in Calcutta now

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
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Situation Report

India

The fall of Asansol really unlocked the entire front - the army will try to block the enemys retreat by blocking the railroad
and at the same time pursue towards Lucknow and Dehli! As far as I can see, it should be possible to reach Dehli before
the enemy - that could mean the end of India....

In the Indian Ocean the first Carrier Division is a deadly reaper and is hitting ship after ship - there must be 50+ enemies and they
just cannot escape! 9 Vals were also transferred from Panaji to the Kaga - boosting her ac complement to 60.

The only Allied success today was achieved by 3 Beauforts from Colombo - I had forgotten to put the damaged battleship Yamashiro
on auto disband - and the enemy managed to put another torpedo into her. System damage is 66, flood 77 and there are 13 fires.
Only the big size 9 port will prevent her from sinking, she will be out of the war for a long time, but that was also the case after the first
torpedo struck her. Those old crates just doesn't stand up to modern torpedoes.

Central/South Pacific

I've been all over the map today and organized everything as good as I can. A lot of units were preparing for the wrong objectives, and
there were quite a few remnant units that have to be remerged. Quite a few supply and fuel tf's have also been created - amazing how many
small bases there are that need both fuel and supplies.

Tomorrow the 2nd Carrier Division will dock at Singapore before taking on fuel and setting sail for Truk. The 2 Shokakus and the cvl carries
only crack air crew and should come in very handy.

Considered putting all the 100 Zeros on Rabaul on LRCAP above Lae - but decided against it. Have to conserve my strenght until I really need it.
There are a lot of enemy tf's sailing around in the Coral Sea, gawd how I wish I got all my carriers here now. That would have made someone
scream..!

I'm afraid that without the 1st Carrier Division, it will be impossible to directly confront the enemies 5 carriers - but if I get an opening....
Let's look at the carriers that will soon face eachother:

1st Carrier Division: Shokaku & Zuikaku -> 148 ac
Mini KB: CV Junyo, 2 cvl and 2 cve -> 200 ac
A total of ca 350 ac

The old cve Hosho will be used as a decouy ship...perhaps she can be of some use

The US carriers are well known
Yorktown, Hornet, Enterprise, Saratoga and Lexington - they all carry ca 90 ac bringing
the total to ca 450 ac. If Al still keeps the useless Devastator torpedo bombers aboard, the forces
will be rather equal in strength though.

A direct confrontation will nevertheless see severe destruction to both sides, and I don't want this.
It will be much more favorable to let the enemy invade another few bases and then launch a heavy counterstrike
when surprise can be achieved and lba used in support of the carriers.

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Summary 06/42 - 1/9/2005 3:10:02 AM   
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Attaching a few screenshots that will provide you with most of the numbers.

A closer look at warship losses reveals that Japan has lost:

2 carriers
3 light cruisers
16 destroyers
10 minesweepers
10 minelayers
26 subs....

The Allies have lost:

1 carrier
3 battleships
1 battlecruiser
4 heavy cruisers
9 light cruisers
26 destroyers
4 subs (all Dutch :o - this says something about how useless Jap ASW is!)

The rest of the ships are transports, smaller escorts etc.

The score is 20975 to 6284 - a 3.338/1 ratio. All the remaining bases in India are worth 3300
points. If I in addition can destroy the Allied armies here and capture a few more bases in China, I should come very
close to a 4-1 odds.

I don't really care that much about scores, but I do play WitP to win. Having fun is always the most important reason to play, but total victory is always a good motivator!

I'm really pushing hard, and the resources of Japan are really strained: Both IJA and IJN pools are empty!!
The heavy air offensives in China were costly, and to replace Army fighter and bomber crew losses, the remaining 60 reserve pilots had to be used.

There are 425 polit points available, and I will use them to release units from China. I don't get many new combat formations for the South Pacific, only base forces.




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RE: Summary 06/42 - 1/9/2005 3:15:08 AM   
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Here is the statistics from late April 42 - always interesting to compare the numbers.
Seems like the amount of resources and material is increasingly slowly!




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The Ca Atago - TROM Part 1 - 1/9/2005 3:41:13 AM   
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Tabular Record of Movement for the heavy cruiser Atago

A short backroung:

The Takao Class Heavy Cruisers were the largest of the heavy cruisers built for the Japanese Navy. Four ships of the Takao class were built; TAKAO, ATAGO, MAYA, and CHOKAI. They were built in response to the heavy cruisers under construction by the United States and Great Britain during the 1920's. She was comparable in armament and speed with the NORFOLK and NORTHAMPTON classes. These ships were fast, powerful and heavily armed with enough firepower to hold their own against any ships built. All four ships of this class were formed into Sentai 4 and operated together for most of their careers.


The Atago was completed in 1932
Displacement 15,781 tons
Dimensions 661'9" x 68'0" x 20'9"
Speed 34 knots
Armament 10 x 8"/50
8 x 5"/40 DP
up to 66 x 25mm AA
16 x 24" TT
Crew 773

First the historical TROM from 1932-1941 will be presented. We will then skip the first 6 months of the war, and continue it from the 2nd of June 1942!

30 March 1932:
The ATAGO is completed by the Kure Navy Yard and commissioned in the IJN.

26 October 1936:
Kobe. The ATAGO embarks the Emperor Hirohito (Showa) and departs for Etajima.

28 October 1936:
The ATAGO arrives back at Kobe. The next day, the Emperor participates in the annual Imperial Naval Review held off Kobe.

30 October 1939:
Reconstruction of the ATAGO's hull and bridge is completed at Maizuru. Her new AA armament and fire control system are installed at Yokosuka.

11 August 1941:
Captain (later Rear Admiral), the Baron, Ijuin Matsuji (son of Fleet Admiral Ijuin Goro) assumes command from Captain (later Vice Admiral) Koyanagi Tomiji who is reassigned as the CO of KONGO.
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2 June 1942:
Captain Ijuin Matsuji (Leadership(Inspiration 66/68) is still in command of the Atago and the ship lies at Anchor in the great naval base of Truk. The ship is almost at 100% repair, and crew day/night experience is 66/68. The ships also carries 1 Jake and 2 Pete search planes.

(Is it a coincident that both the crews day/night exp and the captains leadership/inspiration ratings are the same - 68/68?)

The ship is the flagship of the First Cruiser Division under the command of Rear Admiral Tanaka.
This division is made up of the following ships:

CA Atago
CA Takao
CA Maya
CA Chokai
CA Myoko
Cl Natori
Cl Abukuma
DD Shirayuki
DD Ikazuki
DD Akatsuki
DD Yugure
DD Suzukaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Arare
DD Asagumo

This powerful force is at 100% combat readiness and is part of the fleet that is going to prevent further Allied expansion in the South Pacific while the main body of the Army is crushing the British in India and Burma.

A fine picture of the Atago as completed in 1932




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RE: The Ca Atago - TROM Part 1 - 1/9/2005 4:55:13 AM   
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CA Atago sure has strange positions for its 8" mounts..

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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/9/2005 5:37:43 AM   
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quote:

Perhaps we could create a list over the 10 best IJN carrier commanders?


Actually, there is a guy Naka(something) who I prefer over Nagumo for air combat TFs. Yamaguichi always gets my best carrier div.

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Calcutta falls! - 1/9/2005 7:01:12 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/02/42

Surface Combat

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Night Time Surface Combat at 15,33 - WTF!!!?

Japanese Ships
DD Uranami
DD Sagiri

Allied Ships
BB Warspite, heavy damage - my pilots said they had spotted an apd heading west!!!!
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Air Combat

Day Air attack on 14th Group Army, at 31,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 6
Ki-51 Sonia x 18

Allied aircraft
Lysander I x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lysander I: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged - must be desperate times...Lysanders

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25
Ki-48 Lily x 33
Ki-49 Helen x 15

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 4 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses - yep, target accomplished - the Chink AF has moved back into hillbilly land
IL-4c: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
All Helen and Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 15
Beaufort V-IX x 14
P-40E Warhawk x 27
B-26B Marauder x 26

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
All Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
All B-26B Marauder bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Division, at 31,21

Allied aircraft - no less than 3 such attacks were mounted against Asansol from Lucknow today!
Buffalo I x 16
Wellington III x 24

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
All Wellington III bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 82nd Naval Guard Unit, at 85,91 - Tarawa!

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-40B Tomahawk x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on 17th Indian/C Division, at 29,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
Ki-48 Lily x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 4,9

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
D3A Val x 13
B5N Kate x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships - a big fat juicy convoy to the slaughter
AK Empire Carey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Brook, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Resistance, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Wagtail, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Empire Snipe, Torpedo hits 1
AK Empire Elk, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
All D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 7,10

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
D3A Val x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Grenfell, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
All D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 2,13

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Rowan, Bomb hits 1
AK Empire Bruce
AK Empire Hawksbill, Bomb hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
All D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 3,13

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N Kate x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP Empire Attendant, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 8,11

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Nightingale, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 9,9

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
TK Empire Norse, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
All B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Calcutta

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 58340 troops, 289 guns, 139 vehicles

Defending force 1000 troops, 8 guns, 1 vehicles - the enemy had to abandon Calcutta before it could be captured

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Japanese assault odds: 110 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Calcutta base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at 48,33

Japanese Deliberate attack - I'm going for the next target in China just west of the railroad

Attacking force 76138 troops, 906 guns, 295 vehicles

Defending force 6759 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles - these forces were blocking the path and were swept away!

Japanese assault odds: 153 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
445 casualties reported
Guns lost 28

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at 45,35

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2247 troops, 0 guns, 143 vehicles

Defending force 3624 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles - another blocking force, I want to open the roads to into the hinterland

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62634 troops, 712 guns, 2 vehicles

Defending force 64848 troops, 434 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
200 casualties reported
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Situation Report

India

The capture of Calcutta was a relief, that place has bothered me for a long time. As I mentioned earlier, it is rather fitting that it held out until now - my army in western India is now in a great position to cut the defenders off from Dehli.

Still having problems moving units, especially if they get new orders while stationary on the railroad. Several of them refuse to move more than 5 miles pr day even on rail - driving me nutters...

The little apd that was spotted in the middle of the Bay of New Japan a few days ago turned out to be the HMS Warspite!!
This severely damaged bb has been sent out to escape faith - insolence, I've DESERVED those ship! Unfortunately my dd's didn't manage to torpedo the old hulk. I must assume that the rest of the bb's are also on their way - so Operation Finalize has been ordered:

Betties have been put on naval attack in Trimcomalee, Madras, Chandpur, Rangoon and Singapore.
Several surface tf's have been sortied - one is made up from moderately damaged cruisers and destroyers at Trimcomalee. Another is made up of an AV, its 8 float planes will try to locate the enemy ships.

The final part of this operation consists of the light carrier Ryujo. VADM Ozawa has been given 2 CS, 1 cl and 3 dd's as escort, and the 19 Kates and 28 Zeros should be more than enough to make sure that justice is fulfilled!

In the meanwhile the 2nd Carrier Division under VADM Nagumo leaves Singapore. 27 Vals were taken aboard and the fleet consisting of 2 cv's, 1 ca, 1 cl and 4 dd's is now heading for Truk.

Car Div 1 continues to hunt down the fleeing ships on the west coast of India - it's quite a sight..almost feel sorry for them.
A little amazed that Al hasn't sent the ships away piecemeal over the last few months. No good having 200 ships at Karachi when the enemy is knocking at the door...

Central/South Pacific

Wewak is now operational as a size 4 af, and the first 27 Sallys were moved in. If Lae is invaded, Wewak will field a heavy force of medium bombers that will hit the enemy ground units.

I'm pretty sure the enemy carriers have moved to Noumea to refuel - so I've iniciated Operation Goodbye & Good Riddance! The aim of this operation is to hit the enemy transport and warships that have been observed in the area, as well as give the troops and ac based here a heavy pounding. Tarawa is now a size 2 port/3 af - and there must be 40-80 fighters here and at least 18k troops.

The following TF's have been formed:

TF162 - the Bombardment group under Rear Admiral Matsunaga
The battleship Hiei leads this group followed by 5 ca's, 1 cl and 8 dd's.

TF161 - the Surface Combat group under Rear Admiral Tanaka.
This group consists of the First Cruiser division and got 5 ca's, 2 cl's and 8 dd's

TF163 - the Escort group under Rear Admiral Harashima
This is a small group based around the old escort carrier Hosho - she only carries 9 Zeros. In case the enemy cv's or lba should find the tf's,
it is hoped that the Zeros can disrupt the attacks and perhaps draw the bombers away from the captial ships. 3 destroyers escorts the carrier that will have to follow
the other groups at flank speed to keep up.

The entire roundtrip will begin at Truk, move to Tarawa and then sail to Kwajalein before returning to Truk. Naval bombers at Kwajalein and Maloetap will try to
hit the enemy ships as soon as the fighters on the ground has been hit by the bombardment.

It is really difficult for Wobbly to defend Tarawa, especially before he has built it up to a size 4 af and placed heavy coastal defences as well as powerful air units there.
US resources are still pretty scarce, so I hope this effort will slow him down a bit.

Situation Map: Operation Goodbye & Good Riddance




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RE: The Ca Atago - TROM Part 1 - 1/9/2005 7:58:03 AM   
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The 3rd 8" turret is actually a centerline weapon - doesn't really have a good arc of fire, but gives the ship some extra firepower. It's the massive torpedo batteries that really makes these ships deadly opponents in a night battle.

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CA Atago sure has strange positions for its 8" mounts..


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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/9/2005 7:59:27 AM   
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We can try to put up a list and modify it as we go, try and get the whole name of your guy!

1. Yamaguchi
2. Nagumo
3. Naka?
4. Ozawa?
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mynok

quote:

Perhaps we could create a list over the 10 best IJN carrier commanders?


Actually, there is a guy Naka(something) who I prefer over Nagumo for air combat TFs. Yamaguichi always gets my best carrier div.


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RE: The CA Atago - TROM Part 1 - 1/9/2005 8:05:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

A fine picture of the Atago as completed in 1932





Pretty!

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RE: Summary 06/42 - 1/9/2005 3:42:59 PM   
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It looks like the key to your margin is the number of Allied Army loses. Are those all the "usual" losses in the Far East?

Thanks -

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Unescorted carrier strikes - 1/9/2005 6:06:23 PM   
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This is happening too often to be explained by leaders etc. I would have thrown the PC out of the window by now if it was happening to me ...

What are the settings of your CV fighter groups? Also, I presume that no Air Combat TF has more than 200 planes in order to avoid the un-coordination rule?

EDIT I just noticed that in the most recent report the problem seems to have gone away. What changed?

Sorry, I can't help but go into tech support mode sometimes ... ;)

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RE: Summary 06/42 - 1/10/2005 1:29:19 AM   
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Japan kills a lot of Allied troops in the Phi, DEI etc. Al has played very well and I've not managed to destroy many units in either Burma, India or China. I certainly get a lot of points for capturing key bases though.

No matter how it all ends, I'm going to try to accumulate the biggest lead possible - if not the war might end very early cause Al is already one year ahead of schedule in the South Pacific. Not sure that being 5 years ahead of schedule in India will help much in the end...

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ORIGINAL: ADavidB

It looks like the key to your margin is the number of Allied Army loses. Are those all the "usual" losses in the Far East?

Thanks -

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RE: Summary 06/42 - 1/10/2005 1:34:03 AM   
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Cruft - I really don't know whether the problem is solved or not! I've not put all my Zeros on max range, set them to 40 or 60% CAP and deleted their previous target settings.
Several of my smaller raids against unprotected transports are escorted...those that really doesn't need an escort

The Japanese are much more likely to get away with massing their cv's in 42 than the Allies, but as you've seen - the cv battles this far has never included more than 180 ac in on tf at the most. It's therefore horrifying that ALL my strikes against enemy cv's have been unescorted. There's a stink somewhere and I'm really not feeling confident about engaging enemy cv's anymore.

Afraid there will be a showdown in the South Pacific within a month or two though..then we'll see! If all my crack pilots takes off unescorted again, the puter may go out the window!-)

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RE: Summary 06/42 - 1/10/2005 1:48:08 AM   
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If your aircraft have target settings they won't escort anything outside that target. I found that out after PH. I could not get my zeroes to escort anything until I deleted the target. Everything went fine after that.

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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/10/2005 1:51:18 AM   
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PzB, great AAR. Again. Can never get too much praise, right? :)
Anyway, regarding the Japanese CV commanders, I'll put up 7 of them (10 seems a bit too much since there is no way a Jap will have 10 AC TFs going about the place at one time), and those ARE the top 7 (notice a sharp drop in quality). I'm not sure about their rank though:
1. Abe,T 76
2. Yamaguchi,T 76
3. Nagumo,C 76
4. Ugaki,M 67
5. Sakamaki,M 63
6. Sugiura,K 58
7. Takagi,T 44

This is where rank question comes in. I don't know if higher rank has any benefits on command of the TF. Will an ADM outperform a CPT with the same skill? I know the question had been asked on many occasions but I don't recall there ever being a straightforward answer. So go with what your gut is telling you and try to keep the choich between the top 3 ;)

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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/10/2005 3:27:03 AM   
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Arstadvidios - there might be something in this, getting some conflicting feedback from other players - so I would like to hear more about other peoples experiences! If it's really the case, something is in need of a fix

Thx, Honda! Never enough praise
Personally, I would assume that a Cpt that is qualified to command a carrier does this outstanding...as long as he's only commanding one carrier. A Rear Admiral could be competent to command 2, Vice Admiral 3 and a full Admiral 4. Then penalties would be given according to their skills and number of ships and ac under their command.

Again, I would like to get some more feedback regarding this issue as well. Playing WitP based upon 'I think so' and assumptions would be asking for trouble.....

Btw. is it only me, or does anyone else have problems with posing replies? My laptop sometimes ignores it when I press 'quote' or 'post reply' to posts, but the 'fast reply' button always work. The problem with this is that it opens a mini window, and it's not possible to add attachment - so I have to reboot my machine quite often to get around it.

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ORIGINAL: Honda

PzB, great AAR. Again. Can never get too much praise, right? :)
Anyway, regarding the Japanese CV commanders, I'll put up 7 of them (10 seems a bit too much since there is no way a Jap will have 10 AC TFs going about the place at one time), and those ARE the top 7 (notice a sharp drop in quality). I'm not sure about their rank though:
1. Abe,T 76
2. Yamaguchi,T 76
3. Nagumo,C 76
4. Ugaki,M 67
5. Sakamaki,M 63
6. Sugiura,K 58
7. Takagi,T 44

This is where rank question comes in. I don't know if higher rank has any benefits on command of the TF. Will an ADM outperform a CPT with the same skill? I know the question had been asked on many occasions but I don't recall there ever being a straightforward answer. So go with what your gut is telling you and try to keep the choich between the top 3 ;)


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RE: HMS Illustrious sunk in the Indian Ocean! - 1/10/2005 3:39:51 AM   
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Rank does not affect the leader's abilities at all... It's just window dressing.

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HMS Ramilles is sunk! - 1/10/2005 3:55:21 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/03/42

Surface Combat

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Night Time Surface Combat at 8,15

Japanese Ships - I dispatched a few escorts to hunt transports..impossible to miss!
PG Shinko Maru #5
PG Unkai Maru #1

Allied Ships
AK Empire Kingsley, Shell hits 1
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Day Time Surface Combat at 8,15

Japanese Ships - the same ships engage 2 different transports in the same turn...
PG Shinko Maru #5, Shell hits 1
PG Unkai Maru #1

Allied Ships
AK Empire Sunrise, Shell hits 5, on fire
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Air Combat

Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft - dang, I forgot to stand these bombers down!
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25
Ki-48 Lily x 29
Ki-49 Helen x 12

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 16
Beaufort V-IX x 14
P-40E Warhawk x 26
B-26B Marauder x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 4 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses: - Lae is really taking a beating
107 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 51
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Day Air attack on 7th Tank Regiment, at 30,19

Allied aircraft Been trying to attack Lucknow for several days now, apparently without luck!
Buffalo I x 14
Wellington III x 31

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Vehicles lost
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Day Air attack on 129th IJN Base Force, at 85,91

Allied aircraft - soon we'll give these guys a surprise!
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-40B Tomahawk x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 6,8

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
D3A Val x 23
B5N Kate x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Resistance, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Elk, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Wagtail
AK Empire Carey, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 22,27

Japanese aircraft - my efforts bear fruit!
A6M2 Zero x 34
G3M Nell x 23
G4M1 Betty x 40

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
BB Ramilles, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*
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Day Air attack on TF at 9,11

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
D3A Val x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK Empire Norse, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 5,5

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Annalock, Bomb hits 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 9,6

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Tugela, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 10,8

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Sudabar, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at 45,35

Japanese Deliberate attack - this attack will eventually open the door to the Chinese capital!

Attacking force 2247 troops, 0 guns, 143 vehicles

Defending force 3622 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 - the enemy has created heavy fortifications!

Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 63646 troops, 747 guns, 2 vehicles

Defending force 64556 troops, 425 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses: - we just continue to pummel the defenders while other troops march on Ichang.
106 casualties reported
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Ground combat at 32,24

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 5441 troops, 147 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3336 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
333 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating! - this attack drive te Indian Bde into the bush.
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Situation Report

India

The severly damaged battleship HMS Ramilles was spotted in the Bay of New Japan, and a strong forceo of torpedo bombers put 5 torpedoes into her, causing her to sink immediately! The search for Warspite and other blocade runners continues.

No fewer than 60!! enemy transports were spotted in the Indian Ocean today - I only managed to sink 3-4 each day.
Wobbly is a little frustrated, the edge of the map is preventing their dispersal. Personally I found the timing a little awkward, I would have sent 4-5 transport away with supplies along the top of the map every 3rd day or so. That's why I'm suspecting that he's using the transports to cover something else...perhaps the convoys I initially spotted in the area. They might be carrying troops.

It kinda reminds me of Convoy PQ17 - it will most likely suffer heavy losses before the survivors can get away. When I feel I've had my fair share, the carriers will quietly slip away to replenish.

The attack on the Indian Bde that had marched down the west coast of Burma sent it into the jungle. We have now cut India of from Burma by placing troops in the 3 hexes just east of Asansol and Dacca. Tomorrow we enter Jamshedpur, 18000 enemy troops reported here, there are only 2-3000 left in Diamond Harbour.

China

100k troops are now marching into Ichang, the closes Chinese base to the railroad line. I'm contemplating whether operations in China should come to an end or not. We have achieved more than what was historically possible by now, and the ground combat model isn't too impressive. This could mean lessening my chance of winning an auto victory, but this isn't the most important factor here. I don't want to take too much advantage of the system, fighting on one continent at a time is more than enough for me.

Central/South Pacific

An enemy transport sank on its way from Tarawa today, I'm pretty sure Al is busy bringing in supplies, fuel etc. In 4 days the bombardment group will strike!

I'm now feeling more confident as the defenses are being reinforced each day. Each of the main bases, Truk - Rabaul and Kwajalein will soon have their own engineer regiment as well as heavy garrisons. The main line of defense runs from Lae -> Rabaul in the Solomons while Kwajalein and its supporting islands makes up the eastern flank in the Marshalls.

The Mini KB has now reached the Marianas and will reach Truk in 4-5 days.

Situation Map: The end of HMS Ramilles




Attachment (1)

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A 3 day update! - 1/12/2005 1:57:17 AM   
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Here is a summary of the last 3 turns

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/04/42

A large air strike against Lucknow succeeds in bombing the air field, enemy losses are
light to medium while the escorting Zeros suffers heavily. 14 are lost, a worrying development - but
mostly a result of green replacements.

Strikes against the airfield at Colombo destroyes several CAP fighters and a few bombers on the ground.

The following ships were hit by air and sea units:

AK Empire Peregrine, Shell hits 4
AK Empire Darwin, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Antelope, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Lough, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Bond, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Wildebeeste, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Wagtail, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Carey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
TK Empire Airman, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Bhima, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AK Santa Ana, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Empire Voice, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AP Empire Attendant, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Annalock, Bomb hits 2
AK Empire Cato, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Chaucer, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Gran, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/05/42

Colombo is again hit by heavy raids from Madras - I thought the af had been subdued!
Day Air attack on TF at 11,27

Unfortunately a few Beuforts manage to avoit the LRCAP and puts a torpedo into the BB Hyuga returning
with the bombardment group from Panaji. Damage is moderate, 26 system - but it is detached from the fleet
and is heading to Trimcomalee port for repairs.

The following ships were hit by air and sea forces in the Indian Ocean

AK Paul Luckenbach, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Darwin, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Voice, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Dardanus, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
TK Empire Airman, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Annalock, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Snipe, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Baxter, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
TK Empire Steel, Bomb hits 2
AK Deslock, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Empire Chaucer, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Derwent, Torpedo hits 1
AK Empire Lionel, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AK Empire Raleigh, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Empire Bardolph, Shell hits 7, on fire

A Japanese counterattack at Kweilin drives the enemy out - both sides suffers ca 1700 casualties.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/06/42

The following ships were hit today:

AK Empire Bardolph, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Chaucer, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AK Nordhval, Bomb hits 1
AK Helios, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Kingsley, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Deslock, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Lakeland, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Purcell, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Derwent, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Close to 50 enemy transports were hit in these 3 days!

Unfortunately Wobbly got weather on his side as it prevents my vastly increased LRCAP to
escort the Hyuga into port, 12 Beauforts managed to put another torpedo into her. Damage in port is
46, she will join her sister at the repair yard for 6-12 months

The Kaga has almost exhausted her supply of aviation fuel and will soon had back to port to replenish after
striking another few transports tomorrow.

A division and engineer regiment shock attacks an Indian Division on the railroad south of Bombay.
They're heavily repulsed and suffers a shocking 3400 casualties! We have to wait for reinforcements before
clearing the rail.

In the South Pacific enemy tf's are again spotted at Lunga and heading west in the Coral Sea. More mines are laid
at Lae, Rabaul, Shortland and Kwajalein and more troops are unloaded at Truk.

In 1-2 days the bombardment groups will hit Tarawa!

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Target practice in the Indian Ocean - 1/13/2005 7:23:24 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/07/42

India

Another 6-7 transports were hit in the Indian Ocean today. The Cvl Ryujo is now only a few hexes east of a tf identified as a ca - this might be the fleeing
Warspite. With a little luck she will wear 6 torpedoes by tomorrow

Ground combat in India continues and I'm confident that Bombay will be under siege within a week or so. The same with Lucknow - and when these two bases have
been taken we will move both east and west and put siege to Delhi at the same time as we march towards Karachi. I will consider to land a division by sea as well, I want
to assert as much pressure as possible. My BB's will play a significant role here, and I really have to bring in a lot of fuel - they're thirsty beasts of burden

I don't really have much use for my Nells (there are no only 10 left in the pools, and most of my Daitais have been upgraded to Betties) and Betties in India, so I will leave 3 Daitais and send the others back to Singapore were they will recieve replacements and stay in reserve. The Armys Sallys and Lily's will have to suppress the enemy ground troops.
Several large base forces will soon be unloaded at Madras and engineers are developing Bangalore and Hyderabad to size 4 af's. My main bases for the final assault on India will be Bombay for Karachi and Lucknow for Dehli.


South Pacific

For several days the enemy air units at Tarawa have been strafing my ground units - the Tomahawks are escorting the Wildcats.
My bombardment group is only 3 hexes west of the place now and was spotted, don't know what Al will make of this but there are still a '5 ca tf' in the hex.
If he moves it, the island will receive a tremendous pounding. To ensure the destruction of the enemy ships, I've ordered both tf's to 'do not retire' and to engage in
surface combat. Then both tf's will bombard before heading back to base. Sincerely don't hope there are enemy cv's in the area, but I've decided that they're far
away near Nomea or in the Coral Sea. Let's hope my intel doesn't let me down...

Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 20,12

Day Air attack on 82nd Naval Guard Unit, at 85,91

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-40B Tomahawk x 13

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x F4F-4 Wildcat attacking at 100 feet
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Another air battle that worries me:
I lost 10 Zeros to 0 Warhawks - are they loosing their edge already? Let's blame it on long range and rookie pilots for now.

Day Air attack on 16th Indian Brigade, at 28,21

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
Ki-48 Lily x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 20 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet

The Mini KB has now entered Truk and the light carriers are continuing their sys damage repairs. The 2nd Carrier Division is now east of Borneo and will reach Truk
in a week or so. Then we will have a powerful striking force in the area. I'm pretty happy with the situation in Rabaul now, 110 Zeros are on CAP and there are now 3 forts.
330 engineers are bringing another one up each week though and another heavy AA regiment + a tank regiment have been unloaded. No way Al is getting anywere in the South Pacific for another 6 months or so!!

My next objectives are to reinforce Shortland and build a stronger reserve at Truk - I want a reaction force of at least 30k troops that can be dispatched on short notice.

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