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Ship Endurance - 1/14/2005 10:41:26 AM   
Marc


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Status: offline 		Does anybody know if the endurance values in WitP are nautical miles or just miles?
In my opinion this is quite important since a nautical mile is 1.1508 miles.
One hex is 60 miles, isn't it? So perhaps Matrix is always calculating with miles?

The values matrix used at least for many japanese ships seem to be nautical miles.

Anybody?

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/14/2005 1:56:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ship endurance is a function of fuel consumption which depends on the speed the ship is operating at. I have a vague recollection of some figures for a 2500 ton, steam turbine (2 boilers) WWII era CG cutter.
The ship could operate for 21 days at a constant speed of 10 kts traveling nearly 5000 miles. At 18 kts she would consume all her fuel in 5 days and travel around 2100 miles.

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/14/2005 9:34:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems to me that, since ship speeds are given in nautical miles per hour, endurances must be in nautical miles. "Just miles" doesn't help, because the two measures in question are "nautical miles" and "statute miles."

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/14/2005 10:08:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does it really matter in the end analysis?

Remember that there is massive amounts of distortion in the map itself due to the world not being a flat place.

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/14/2005 11:35:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		An with the 'mission speed' setting that is default, who's to say how much meneuvering had to be done...how much flank speed used...all drives endurance into the dirt.

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 1:26:19 AM   
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Does it really matter in the end analysis?

Remember that there is massive amounts of distortion in the map itself due to the world not being a flat place.

Yeah, I guess that's right. Distances in the WitP world are measured in Grigsbometers.

The only measurement that counts is the Porky Pig Prognostication: "Wuh-a-wuh-a-wuh-wuh-one, too-a-dee-yah-dee-yah-dee-yah-too-a-dee-yah two, thuh-uh-thuh-uh-thuh-uh three ..."

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 1:33:53 AM   
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Mr. Magoo?

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 1:36:47 AM   
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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 2:22:56 AM   
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from Marvin Martian.

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 4:40:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pasternakski

It must be Mr. Magoo. Daffy is too sensible.




My thinking is, being that we only saw Mr. Magoo with his eyes open once, it could explain the TF routing...

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 5:16:23 AM   
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My thinking is, being that we only saw Mr. Magoo with his eyes open once, it could explain the TF routing...

Nobody's putting one over on THIS little black duck.

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 10:54:33 AM   
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Does it really matter in the end analysis?


Yes, it would be very nice to have an idea (not more) how long a ship can be on sea. Now it is only speculation.

An other problem is cargo capacity for transport planes. The aircraft data says "10.000". But what "10.000" ? Some cargo ships have a capacity of "4.500".

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 11:10:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm..geeez...a C47 can carry 10000 POUNDS..five tons. that is what aircraft numbers come out to.
a 4500 cargo ship carries 4500 tons, or 9000 pounds...you go figure it out....I guess, I am tired...

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 7:45:51 PM   
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Yes, it would be very nice to have an idea (not more) how long a ship can be on sea. Now it is only speculation.

Well, you do get the information for TFs, which is what I generally depend on (and short-ranged ships like escorts, minesweepers and such refuel enroute from larger ships in the TF).

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/15/2005 11:01:34 PM   
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Hmmm..geeez...a C47 can carry 10000 POUNDS..five tons. that is what aircraft numbers come out to.
a 4500 cargo ship carries 4500 tons, or 9000 pounds...you go figure it out....I guess, I am tired...


Your math was a little off. Assuming they are using the value where 1 ton is 2,000 pounds, (which is a "short ton") 4,500 tons = 9,000,000 pounds. Go get some sleep.

BTW, the other ton "types" are "long ton", which I believe is more likely to be used in large (ship) amounts of cargo, is 2,240 pounds. A metric ton is 2,204.62 pounds.

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RE: Ship Endurance - 1/16/2005 9:24:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mlees

quote:

Hmmm..geeez...a C47 can carry 10000 POUNDS..five tons. that is what aircraft numbers come out to.
a 4500 cargo ship carries 4500 tons, or 9000 pounds...you go figure it out....I guess, I am tired...


Your math was a little off. Assuming they are using the value where 1 ton is 2,000 pounds, (which is a "short ton") 4,500 tons = 9,000,000 pounds. Go get some sleep.

BTW, the other ton "types" are "long ton", which I believe is more likely to be used in large (ship) amounts of cargo, is 2,240 pounds. A metric ton is 2,204.62 pounds.


Yep. Stand abashedly corrected. I was not only tired but on the biggest bender in a year; divorce final now and all that.
So, in this and any other thread that I wrote in last night, I was pretty whacked out of my skull. I don't even remember being logged on to this board last night; I guess that explains the tenor of some of these posts; I apologize if I offended anyone or made rude remarks.

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