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RE: Question - 1/11/2005 11:53:44 PM   
Brausepaul


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Status: offline 		I guess it is rather easy to take it, but more difficult to hold it. It is in comfortable distance from PH. I would avoid it since the relation of gain/cost seems not good enough for me, only if you really plan to take Pearl Midway seems to be of use as a footstep. But as far as I know you plan to commit your forces in Australia and the South Pacific, right?

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 12:19:20 AM   
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I guess it is rather easy to take it, but more difficult to hold it. It is in comfortable distance from PH. I would avoid it since the relation of gain/cost seems not good enough for me, only if you really plan to take Pearl Midway seems to be of use as a footstep. But as far as I know you plan to commit your forces in Australia and the South Pacific, right?


Yes, I plan on invading the north coast of Oz - planning on defending them but not killing myself to keep them. By invading Oz, I will tie up a lot of the US reinforcements as he rushes them to Oz to secure it. While he is doing this, he is not counterattacking my perimeter.

Also my thoughts on Midway was to cause him to change his plans and reinforce the Hawaiian islands and pull naval forces home to protect Hawaii. I will have to check the distance, but Nells / Betties may be able to bomb PH from Midway and thus he will have to provide large amounts of fighter cover. But I agree that I cannot hold it permanently - more of a take it (kill wantever units he has there - probabaly a brigade plus by now) and force him to come within range of my planes to take it back.

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 1:27:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is still a viable proposition. In fact anywhere is at this time, it depends on what you want it for though?

If he wanted to defend it more diligently he has now had time to do so. Therefore you can reasonably assume that you will meet extra infantry and maybe CD unit/s – unless he has thought ahead and surmised you may try it and has pulled out instead. Can you tell what he has there – will recon give the game away?

You are now contemplating taking on an Island with the closest proximity to Pearl or the Mainland. You did some vicious damage to his BB fleet and the rest of it may be in other locations, but once he gets organised I can imagine the units there (assuming you take it) will not get much rest.

As I first put forward – you can still take anywhere (OK other than maybe the mainland US) but you ARE going to struggle to hold it. So why are you contemplating it? What is the strategic benefit.

You gain a base to launch Carrier forays with. This will require Tankers to unload fuel here. I hate loosing my tankers as Japan – you just do not have enough. But if you commit your Carriers here your continued Isolation of Oz will be enhanced. However, your carriers must stay visible and doing this removes the “where is the KB” worry. He can look to enhance other locations.

As to strangling Oz. He may start supplying it from India – so the mini KB will obviously be prowling around here. If he surmises this, and his carriers don’t resist you in your Midway gambit, then they are likely to turn up against the mini – KB, and that equals ouch!

So I think what I am saying is YES, by all means you can do it. But it is that “all means” that should drive your decision. In order to hold it you will HAVE to commit heavily. If you don’t you will loose it again quickly. If you only want it for a short time then cool. Just make sure you know what you are trying to achieve.

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 2:13:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Taking Midway to me at this point is to accomplish three items

1) Kill whatever he has moved there to beef it up and remove them from the game so I don't have to worry about them later (plus scoring more VPs). The air units he may have there are more important than the ground units.

2) Force him to react to Midway being mine. Whether he attacks it - has to be via the sea, as only B-17s can reach it and they won't do much damage nor for long. If he wants to bring his BBs out to play, he will have to bring CVs to cover them or else my torpedo bombers will maul them and score even more points. If I can even get 1 air raid off Midway to hit PH, he will have to heavily reinforce it with CAP to prevent me from making PH a ball of fire and killing everything there.

3) IF I have it he doesn't. What I mean is he cannot use it to base naval sorties or subs out of. He'll have to use PH which is a lot farther than Midway from my bases.

With PI almost fully captured I am looking for places to send my units that have been fighting there for 2 months. I have a couple divs (with tons of arty support) moving to Bataan to finish him off and several of them are preping for invasions on the islands nearby with enemy units - the rest will be able to be deployed elsewhere as soon as I can move them.

As for PI, I am thinking of leaving Iiole (sp ?) island alone and using its proximity to Clark Field as a live weapon training grounds for my aircraft. He wont be able to get those units out of there without using subs and I don't think the PA units are worth that. What do you guys think of that ?

Port Moresby is another Midway for me as well. I don't think its holdable, but I don't want the allies to have it either. I am thinking of taking it and pulling most of the forces back out. I will have to examine the distances from the major bases in Oz and stay out of range of the majority of his aircraft.

What do you guys think ? Also, feel free to express ideas of your own. I am getting to the point where I need to start planing the second half of my invasions - the DEI is coming along and Borneo is nearly all mine. Once Singapore falls, Sumatra and Java will fall quickly...

Xargun

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 10:03:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Midway would not be that bad. By taking it you probably get an Sub-tender or two. If the airfield is big enough you can put Bettys there to bomb ports in PH and to get some nice attacks at any fleet coming to take midway back. As long as you can keep your airfield open it will be a threat to units in PH. Once it is closed you have lost for than he can Bombard you at will. If the cost of taking midway seems reasonable, I would do it. If he takes it back, just retreat your airgroups via wake. All ground forces will be lost, so don't put to much troops there.
Take it, cause as much damage as possible from there and then withdraw. It has not so much strategic worth but gives you some nice tactical advantages.

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 6:37:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Xargun,

I like your strategy of cutting off Australia, and diverting the US forces with Midway and an Australian invasion. If you can pull it off without losing too much, I think it could be a very good strategy. Are you planning on keeping a mini-KB in the DEI to periodically sortie and destroy any transport TF's he has coming from India?

I'd second not putting too much at Midway as for ground forces and bring plenty of supply since you may have trouble getting more through if you don't keep the KB there to escort.

As long as you can continue to expand and fortify your perimeter bases while taking on Oz and Midway, and don't lose too much in your invasions, I really like your idea and think it could work very well.

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 7:36:54 PM   
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as only B-17s can reach it and they won't do much damage nor for long.



Midway is not within range of B-17s. But I guess that PH is within Nell/Betty rang. But this will do you no good - day attacks slaughtered by massive CAP. Night attacks may score some hits on ships in port (one of my PBEM adversaries is doing just this from Johnson as a base against me at PH), but need a lucky hit to actually sink a ship in port (while taking heavy flak and operational losses because of the long range).

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 10:24:46 PM   
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Midway is not within range of B-17s. But I guess that PH is within Nell/Betty rang. But this will do you no good - day attacks slaughtered by massive CAP. Night attacks may score some hits on ships in port (one of my PBEM adversaries is doing just this from Johnson as a base against me at PH), but need a lucky hit to actually sink a ship in port (while taking heavy flak and operational losses because of the long range).


Good no real aerial counterattack until he gets B-29s. I am willing to sacrifice some Nells for a decent run on PH. The way I look at it, he will have to have fighters at PH when I take Midway, or he can't get them there in time - too far from the west coast to transfer directly - have to crate them up and ship em. All I need is to hit a few ships in port, his airfield or even his repair yard (again ) and he'll panick, pulling everything back to PH to protect it.

Also Midway (size 6 airfield I think) will be a perfect base for me to send 2-3 CVs from to raid PH at least once - hitting the airfields and port once more. EVen if I only kill some merchies and recon planes, the threat of my CVs roaming around PH will force him to move naval assets - mostly his CVs - to protect it. Right now he has 5 CVs and I have 7, pluse 4 or 5 babies, so I have the advantage still... 3 of my CVs are a match for 4 of his. He would need all 5 around PH to confront me. If he does not, then I raid behind PH killing merchies hauling men, planes, fuel and supply for PH and Oz. That would be the main purpose for Midway. Mid-Late 43 he would land a couple Divs there and take it back, but they would end up fighting part of an NLF and base force or something like that.. Nothing valuable.

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 10:29:17 PM   
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Xargun,

I like your strategy of cutting off Australia, and diverting the US forces with Midway and an Australian invasion. If you can pull it off without losing too much, I think it could be a very good strategy. Are you planning on keeping a mini-KB in the DEI to periodically sortie and destroy any transport TF's he has coming from India?

I'd second not putting too much at Midway as for ground forces and bring plenty of supply since you may have trouble getting more through if you don't keep the KB there to escort.

As long as you can continue to expand and fortify your perimeter bases while taking on Oz and Midway, and don't lose too much in your invasions, I really like your idea and think it could work very well.


I coul keep a couple baby CVs at Java and use LR Bombers from Soerbaja perhaps to keep the sealanes free of allied shipping... But I plan on pushing northing into Burma and India so he won't have anything free to ship south.

Once Singapore falls, Sumatra will fall fast, same as Java. Once Bankha and Medan are mine, my fleet will sortie north to Rangoon bringin supplies and fuel - and haul oil back to Singapore. I plan on sending 3 CVs into the Bay to keep his ships shut up in their ports and then I will raid them. He is building up a huge force at Akyab (something like 18 units there or so) so I will just bypass them and land behind him like at Diamond Harbor or such. It will take a division or two, but I will have them free by then.

What I might do is an actual invasion of Ceylon. Land a division or two on Ceylon and take the island. I would then base some DBs and TBs there and seal off India. The Brit CVs are no match for IJN CVs and if I took Ceylon his navy would be done in India - they might flee to Oz, but India / Burma would have no navy and supplies would have to come via land from India to reach the front.... long way and I doubt much would arrive.

Xargun

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 10:30:08 PM   
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Port Moresby is another Midway for me as well. I don't think its holdable, but I don't want the allies to have it either. I am thinking of taking it and pulling most of the forces back out. I will have to examine the distances from the major bases in Oz and stay out of range of the majority of his aircraft.

What do you guys think ? Also, feel free to express ideas of your own.


If you're planning on invading Northern Oz, then seizing Port Moresby is a highly valuable thing to do. (PM has been taken by the Japanese in another PBEM game on this forum, and the Allied player confesses that it interferes with his supply convoys quite a bit.) Also, it seems to me that if Midway is out of B-17 range from PH, then PH would be out of Nell range from Midway. (Maybe I've got the ranges wrong.) The targets in range from PM are lower value, but there's more of them, which would force Rob to thin out his CAP significantly.

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 10:30:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I read too much about the Pacific campaign recently...all you arguments sound like Yamamoto: threaten or take Midway and the Americans have to react

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 10:33:23 PM   
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If you're planning on invading Northern Oz, then seizing Port Moresby is a highly valuable thing to do. (PM has been taken by the Japanese in another PBEM game on this forum, and the Allied player confesses that it interferes with his supply convoys quite a bit.) Also, it seems to me that if Midway is out of B-17 range from PH, then PH would be out of Nell range from Midway. (Maybe I've got the ranges wrong.) The targets in range from PM are lower value, but there's more of them, which would force Rob to thin out his CAP significantly.


I believe Betties / Nells have a better range than B-17s.. Betty range is 20 and Nells is 21 I think.. B-17s are like 16 or 17....

The problem with PM is that its on his side of PNG and my fleet would have to sail around the land to reach it to supply it.. I would like to take PM, but I wouldn't really use it, other than to deny it to him.. Gili Gili is much better.

Xargun

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RE: Question - 1/12/2005 10:34:53 PM   
Xargun

 

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I guess I read too much about the Pacific campaign recently...all you arguments sound like Yamamoto: threaten or take Midway and the Americans have to react


Very true... and Yamato was correct.. The only problem was he lost Midway and I plan to win it :) But for me taking Miday allows me to threaten PH directly... I may take Johnson I instead, but Johnson has to be built up, where Midway is all ready for my bombers to operate out of.. Include a nice Base Force with the invasion force and I can transfer Bombers in the turn I take it and fly raids the next turn.

Xargun

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15 - 16 February 1942 - 1/13/2005 5:31:20 AM   
Xargun

 

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Status: offline 		Hmmm.. Somehow I turned off combat reports and do not have any reports for Feb 15 or 16 - they are the same as Feb 14th.... Argh Luckily I take notes during the turn execution so I will use those to discuss the turns... Unfortunately my notes are mostly naval related so we will miss a lot.

Feb 15

A slow turn for both sides. 1 allied AK sunk from previous damage. My subs also caught another allied AK loaded with men and sunk it.

An IJN AP finally sunk from previous damage. The AP has been at Marcus Island and was heavily damaged in the invasion of Wake. It has been sitting at Marcus with roughly 80 flt for weeks, with the flt damage going up and down. It finally succumbed to the damage and sunk.

An air raid on Jambi (Northern tip of Java) brought intel that the 22nd Aussie Brigade lies there waiting for any invasion force of mine. Jambi lies north of Palembang, which, according to my intel, is lightly defended - but then you can't trust Japanese Intel... I have both Parachute Regiments prepping to invade Palembang via air drop as soon as Singapore falls - will put me in easy range of transports.


Feb 16

This turn just ran, so I remember a lot more of the action...

Lots of air raids near Sian (1 hex NW of it) where several divisions of IJA troops lie. Rob had 3 or 4 separate air raids on the hex with mostly british bombers. My Nates on CAP didn't do squat, but the unit's AA fire brought down several bombers, and damaged a bunch more. I have moved zeros into the area for LR CAP and will start using them as soon as they rest a bit.

In good news in the Sian area.. Rob's air raids did not stop my men from attacking and pushing the chinese units back along the road towards Kungchang (I think thats the base's name). It was a fairly even battle with the chinese taking about 100 more losses than my troops. The troops have been ordered onwards into the next hex, where the retreated units await.

Also, west of Yenen my 4 Divisions pushing westward hammered the blocking force of 2 partial corps. The chinese suffered casualties and ran westward. My troops did not suffer any. I plan on pushing these small units back and into the base and then enter the base with my troops. Once there I will push the larger group up from the south and force them into the jungle/mountains instead of the base where they will wither and die.

Unless Rob moves the units in the south back to the base, my plan should work and will cut off another 3 Corps of chinese units, along with 1 or 2 partial units and 2 Army HQs.

My bombers are supporting the attacks against the chinese units along both roads.

At the Chinese base of Wenchow (owned by Japan - SE coast of China) my 4 NLFs have wiped out another partial chinese unit with 1864 chinese casualties. This brings the total number of partial chinese units in MY china to 3, of which all three are scheduled for the same fate soon. The NLFs will be loaded back aboard ships and sent southward - probably to PNG.

My LR bombers at Truk flew a dangerous mission and raided the port of PM. An allied AK sunk in the port the other day leading me to believe the survivors of the failed Gili Gili landing fled here for repairs and I was right. Over 80 bombers converged on the port. 5 or 7 Wirraways tried to intercept, but proved as useful as my Nates in Northern China - in other words... not successful. My bombers only landed 1 hit on 3 different ships, along with some killed men, but I lose no planes in the raid - not even to ops which was surprising. I believe a total of 8 planes were damaged and their fatigue was very high, but I consider the raid very successful - it should force Rob to move real fighters to PM - of which he has very few in the South Pacific / Oz theater. Of the three hits, 2 were on Dutch DDs and 1 on an AK. One of the DDs sank a few moments later If the fatigue wasnt so bad I would send the bombers back to finish off the ships.. but maybe I will after a couple days...

CV Group 3 moved eastward towards the solomons heading for another fuel rendevous east of the Solomons and my aircraft found a fleeing allied DD. It was the old John Edwards from the encounter at Rabaul.. After 3 small bombs, the Edwards sank like a stone.

CV Group 1 rounded the southern tip of the Solomons and appears to be undetected. She is moving into range of Noumea this turn and will unleash fiery hell upon the merchie TFs my sub is trailing into the area. If the 2 TFs I'm trailing turn north for Noumea - like I think they will - then they will sail right into range of my CVs... If they continue west, then next turn I move after them and sink them then.... But I have a feeling the ships are heading for Noumea - especially since the last TF in the area did. My Vals are set for range 5 and the Kates for range 4. All zeros are set to 70% CAP at 15000 feet and range 1. I will not need escorts to kill merchies and depending on what aircraft he has at Noumea I may be in range of them and want all the CAP I can get. Next turn will be exciting..

My ASW efforts finally score a hit against the damn USS trout, which has been off the coast of Truk for many days now and has damaged 2 of my ASW ships. Luckily she carries crappy US torps or I would have several more damaged ships due to at least two attacks in which the torps failed to detonate

The second ML damaged by Rob's DDs near Rabaul arrived in Truk last turn with 98 flt... Unfortunately even a size 9 port could not save her Luckily both MLs lost only carried a total of 120 mines each and they weren't my big MLs...

A chutai of zeros set for Naval Attack at Kendari finally flew against the PTs at Koepang again.. Only this time they didn't attack PTs, they attacked APs.... What a shocker... My zeros not only attacked once, they returned in the PM phase for another go at them.. In all 1 zero was damaged along with both APs attacked. One AP was only hit by MG bullets, but the other took MG fire and a single 60kg bomb as well. So at least one of them actually has a little bit of damage.

Thats about it for Feb 16...

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RE: Question - 1/13/2005 6:55:15 AM   
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I believe Betties / Nells have a better range than B-17s.. Betty range is 20 and Nells is 21 I think.. B-17s are like 16 or 17....

Xargun


B-17 range is 10/13 (normal/extended).

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17 February 1942 - 1/14/2005 5:38:13 AM   
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An IJN PC encounters a mine field at Kwajalein and luckily detects it and no ship hits any mines. I have MSWs on the way here now to clean these up.

I-153 patrolling south of Timor Island found the AP Speelman travelling south towards Oz and put a torp into her. During the day phase the same sub put another torp into the AP sending her to the bottom. This is the same AP my zeros ripped up at Koepang.

The chinese bombers once more struck enmass. This time their victim was the IJA 14th Tank Regiment. I don't have CAP over this one 40 SB-2c bombers inflicted 75 men and 4 tank losses upon the unit.

Air raids in China claim 67 chinese troops.

My CVs rushed forward toward Noumea at full speed and launched numerous air raids during the two air phases. The first raid was 23 Vals and 48 Kates against a surface TF at Noumea I had no idea this TF was even there, but my planes found it and said hi. 2 CAs were hit, along with a CL. CA Minneapolis took 2 bombs and 3 torpedo hits - I can't believe she is still floating.. CA Louisville took 3 bombs and 2 torps. While the CL Helena took only a single torp hit. None of these ships sunk, nor were they attacked again during the next raids.

The next raids all went south and one to the east of my CV Group. All were against merchies and there were a ton of them I located 4 seaprate merchie TFs instead of the 2 I expected... In all 36 Vals and 19 Kates were sent against the merchies. 8 AKs in all were struck by a combination of bombs and torps. Several hit ships spilled out dying men so these ships are obviously loaded with troops like I was hoping Unfortunately my air groups didn't sink anything, but several of the merchies have to be beat up badly.

The next combat is my sub trailing the ships I-160 putting 2 torps and 3 shells into another AK which spilled men as she sunk.

So in all, I sunk 1 AK full of men and damaged 8 others - with probably 6 of them hauling men. No bad for the first wave. My air groups are beat up pretty good - especially the Kates. Not many losses, just a lot of damage to the groups. The CVs moved a litttle bit further south and the Kates stood down, letting the Vals have all the fun this turn.

My first arty strikes on Bataan claim 100 allied men. I have ordered an actual attack on Bataan this turn, so we will see how it goes.

In China my troops at Ichang pushed back a chinese probe forcing the unit to retreat.

An arty strike at Singapore claims 94 brits.

Rabaul is still a nightmare. I'm just trading arty strikes with the allied troops there while waiting for me men to recover. I'm thinking of loading up one of the extra divisions at Clark Field and landing them at Rabaul to finish the job.

I have launched a daylight raid on Daccas airfield this turn, trying to catch the B-17s and Liberaters on the ground there. It is range 9 or 10 from Rangoon, so zeros will accompany the raid for protection - the raid is being conducted by Betties / Nells from Rangoon.

Bombers from Bangkok are also launching another airfield raid - this time on Pagan. Zeros from Rahaeng will provide escort. Also another sentair of zeros is sweeping the skies over Lashio.

My other CV group is moving through the Solomons heading for a fuel refuel on the other side. They keep spotting what appears to be a lone allied DD to the south, but refuse to launch against it. Probably the cripple from Rabaul.

Thats about it for this turn. I have the next turn but cannot run it due to the wife playing Sims 2 at the moment, but I will run it tonight for sure.

Oh yeah... Next turn the Junyo will arrive

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18 February 1942 - 1/14/2005 7:44:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well this turn was a first in many.. We had no night air attacks at all.. In fact no night battles at all either. First turn for that in like 2+ weeks.

First attack on the day were my Sallies bombing HI at Kunming. They claim 1 Sally lost but 3 HI hits. MY escorting zeros claim 1 chinese fighter shot down.

Next attack was another air raid on Pagan's airfield. The bombers hit no planes but put some bombs on the target claiming 2 airbase, 1 supply and 3 runway hits with no losses.

A fighter sweep of Lashio found 20 Hurricanes flying CAP. My 27 zeros quickly engaged. In the air battle 1 zero was shot down, along with 4 Hurricanes.

Air raids on the chinese claim 210 men and 7 guns.

Air raids on Bataan claim 57 men and 2 guns.

Looks like Rob found a good strategy, although I don't like it. He split his merchie TFs near Noumea into lots of 1 or 2 ship TFs and spread them everywhere over the place. My CV launched a couple attacks, but mostly left the merchies alone. Rob sortied the DDs from the TF at Noumea - apparently after my CVs, but he guessed the wrong hex and my airplanes hammered two of the DDs (out of 4) sinking them both. Other than that the CVs only launched 1 strike against merchies and only damaged another AK. I have ordered the CVs a little north and changed the altitudes of my bombers from 13000 to 11000 so the AI will only send them in groups of 4 instead of 9. Maybe this will help attacking the smaller TFs.

My sub in the area has run out of torps and is heading home to Tarawa for replacements leaving my CVs the only real power in the area. I have tried something dangerous. I have split off the 3 cruisers from my CV TF and sent them as a surface group to Noumea to engage enemy TFs there. The TF is not ordered to bombard or anythign in case he has CD guns there, but there are like 5 merchie TFs sitting at Noumea, probably unloading their loads of men, so my cruisers are gonna take a shot at them.

Some dutch fighters and bombers came from Koepang trying to hit my baby CV TF and were met by zeros. 4 Demons and 2 T. IVAs were shot down, with an additional T.IVA killed by flak. The dutch made a run on the Ryujo but missed.

Damn US DMSs hit my sub with a monster DC, inflicting 26 sys and 78 flt. The sub is limping towards a base, but will probably not make it.

My attack on Bataan went very well. My men reduced the fort to level 2 and lost 888 men, 45 guns and 2 tanks. The holed up allied troops lost 1310 men, 26 guns and 3 tanks. I am attacking again this turn and am hopeful of taking the base. I have over a 1000 arty support here, which can easily be used at Singapore if Bataan falls quickly. I already have tons of APs waiting in Lingayen harbor to haul units away.

I have loaded up a division from Lingayan (21st I think) and ordered it to Rabaul to take the base. I want that base so I can put pressure on PM and hammer anything he has there.

I have also ordered all 4 sentais of betties / nells at Truk to attack PM this turn. They are ordered to hit the airfield - he has B-17s there (or at least he did have them there) and the port - trying to finish off those ships damaged before.

My airstrike on Dacca never took off, so I left it ordered as well. My subs are getting into position in the Bay of Bengal to interdict some shipping, but so far I haven't seen any.

I figure I have 1 - 2 more days of atatcking the scattered remains of the merchie TFs near Noumea before I have to pull back for fuel. My aircraft losses have been low, but the fatigue is starting to rise and morale will be dropping soon.

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RE: 18 February 1942 - 1/14/2005 8:51:25 PM   
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...I have ordered the CVs a little north and changed the altitudes of my bombers from 13000 to 11000 so the AI will only send them in groups of 4 instead of 9...


How does altitude interfere with size of group? I don't wanna question it, but I haven't read anything about this before.

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RE: 18 February 1942 - 1/14/2005 9:07:31 PM   
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...I have ordered the CVs a little north and changed the altitudes of my bombers from 13000 to 11000 so the AI will only send them in groups of 4 instead of 9...


How does altitude interfere with size of group? I don't wanna question it, but I haven't read anything about this before.


Not sure if it affects how many planes are launched in the actual raid, but at altitudes over 12000 dive bombers and torpedo bombers will attack targets in groups of 9 instead of 4 - good if you want to kill a single target, instead of damaging a bunch...

By that logic, I'm hoping it will affect how many planes launch as well. No idea if it will though.

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19 February 1942 - 1/15/2005 4:35:09 AM   
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First action of the turn was I-5 putting a torp into an allied AK near Christmas Islands I think. The Ak did not sunk :(

Next action was 2 allied DDs sinking I-170 as it tracked crippled allied ships making for the West Coast. 4 Depth charges reportedly hit the sub, sending it to the bottom in a hurry.

Next a fighter sweep over Lanchow. My 9 zeros ran into 18 P-40Es and were beat up. 3 zeors and 1 P-40 were shot down. Poor showing for my men, but hey they were outnumbered 2:1.

My air raid on Dacca came next. 49 bombers and 27 zeros arrived in the skies over Dacca, finding nothing in the air but the clouds and birds. The Nells and Betties made their runs at 8000 feet taking very mild damage (1 damaged of each). They claimed 1 Liberator destroyed, 7 damaged, 15 brits, 1 gun as well as 5 airbase, 2 supply and 14 runway hits. Not bad, but a shame they didn't hit more planes. Now they will be pulled back to Bangkok to rest and relax.

My bombers at Truk did there mission fine. 77 Nells and 20 Betties arrived over the skies at Port Moresby. 10 Wirraways were in the air, but they managed only a single Nell shot down. Flak accounted for 1 Betty and 5 more Nells damaged - no other losses. My raid claimed 40 men as well as 2 airbase, 2 supply, 8 runway, 2 port and 1 port supply hits. They also claimed 1 B-17s killed on the ground. Most of the planes were on airfield attack, but 1 group was set to hit the port trying to finish off the damaged ships that I think are still there.

Next thing up was my baby CV air raids on Broome.. I was surprised to find no fighters or any allied aircraft attacking back as I assumed Rob spotted me coming South past Timor.. Maybe he misjudged the distance or forgot, or had nothing to spare :) Either way good. All told 14 zeroes and 63 Kates attacked the port. 5 Kates were reported destroyed and another 17 damaged. They dropped bombs on 3 MSWs and 2 AKs setting them all on fire and doing heavy damage.

My air raids in china claim 68 troops and 1 gun.

B-17s appeared over the skies at Admiralty Island 11 B-17s struck at the cargo TF sitting there, landing a bomb on 3 of the ships (2 AKs and 1 TK). The ships will survive, but need to drop their load and move to Truk.

My idea of splitting off the cruisers from my CVs worked splendidly. The 3 cruisers (2 CA and 1 CL) dahed into Noumea harbor and caught plenty of AKs lounging around and blasted them all. Some Hudsons from Noumea tried to hit the cruisers with some bombs,
and actually scored a hit on the CL. The total damage was 4 sys and 1 fire from the bomb... Pointless - and I was worried... In all my 3 cruisers sunk 5 AKs, and sent over 1000 US troops into the sea And those are just the numbers I know about.

My CV got into the action a bit hitting several AKs all around, including 2 at Noumea, that my surface force finished off. The Kates from the CVs actually put 2 torps into an AK sinking it. So far the air groups here are being outdone by the cruisers.

I-153 located an allied AK north of Oz and put 1 torpedo and 2 shell hits into it. Dead men came spilling out. Unfortunately the ship escaped before the sub could finish it off, but I have another sub entering the area to help finish it off.

In China, my troops at Amoy have captured a portion of the 44th Chinese Corps. In all 2484 chinese troops were hauled off in prison camps. Now only 2 partials chinese units exist in the area. Plus the stubborn corps bwteen Nanning and Hanoi that won't die.

Now the best news of the day... Bataan Falls !!!!
86000 Japanese troops assaulted the place at dawn and by noon it was all over. over 44000 allied troops were taken as prisoners, along with 186 guns and 75 tanks. Luzon is now mine.. I have already sent all arty back to Lingayan to board ships to singapore. With the success here, my attacks on singapore will be postponed a week waiting for these new troops to arrive.. They they will really hammer singapore with arty shells as my 5 divisions attack.

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20 February 1942 - 1/15/2005 8:27:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alright then. I took a risk this turn and left my 3 cruisers sitting at Noumea to inflict more damage upon Rob's merchies and it worked out for me,. despite Rob bringing in more air power to the base.

At night my 3 cruisers engaged a total of 3 AKs, sinking 2 and hurting the third - which fled to the SW. A combination of 6" and 8" gunfire along with some torps really said hi to the merchies. Over 500 men were killed on the report, so a lot more allied men died within sight of Noumea.

Next was an allied sub attack on a TF leaving Balikpapin. He is sitting in the straights to the NE of the bases and put a single torp into an AK. The AK is returning to Balikpapan for flt repairs before it sinks. My 2 PGs and 2 MSWs escorting the TF hit the sub (O16) with 2 depth charges. It didn't sink, but maybe I did enough to drive it off.

I-162 finished off the AK Mobile City north of OZ and drowned a bunch of men. My only guess is that he was sending more men to Amboina (only allied base in range with troops) or evacuating men from there. Either way, they went down with the ship.

My Sallies got a good hit in on Kunming today as well, inflicting 19 Resource hits. 1 Sally was shot down and 2 damaged. A very fair trade.. I plan on taking Kunming sometime in 42, but from what I can see Rob is repairing the damage - wasting his supply. This means I can bomb the hell out of his industries / resources and he will waste supply to repair them. As long as I don't destroy them to close to the base changing hands, the damage my bombers cause will be repaired by the time I take the base Thanks Rob !!

Rob bombed Rangoon as well. A small two-part raid, definately not what he wanted. 3 Chinese bombers and 3 B-17s attacked. Nothing was hit, although a few planes on both sides were damaged. This is why I have Oscars stationed at 35000 feet at Rangoon - to intercept these high fliers - both raids came in at over 31000 feet.

Air raids in china claim 167 chinese troops and 2 guns.

At Noumea Rob launched several air raids on the 3 cruisers there. Hudsons, P-39s and B-17s all attacked - but only the B-17s had any luck. They landed 2 bombs on the CA Takao. Luckily the CA's armor took both hits and little to no damage was caused - a total of 3 sys and 6 fire added on... The CA is now at 14 sys [it came into battle at 11].

The CVs in the area located a rather large merchie TF far to the east of Noumea - 8 ships or more - and launched a large raid at it. 41 Vals and 26 Kates attacked, hitting 7 of the 8 AKs spotted. Of the 7 that were hit 3 sunk and the others should be easy game next turn.

The CVs also spotted another lone AK and hit it. The ship did not sink, but 9 bombs hits should be putting her down soon. She is carrying men as well. Is every AK around here carrying men ? Looks like ROb has a complete division of troops here... If only I could get them all :) Oh well.. another day or so picking them off and I'm gone before he can muster of some real defense - plus by then my air groups will need the rest and the ships will need fuel.

The 21st Chinese Corps finally died off this turn as well, freeing up the rail between Nanning and Hanoi. In the end over 5000 chinese troops surrendered.

All arty units (including mortars) that helped in the Luzon offensive are ordered to Lingayen to board transports for the trip to Singapore. They should arrive at the base next turn and loading will take 1 turn, and they will be on their way. Once they arrive and get into position I will do a couple arty strikes (2 days probably) and then attack until the base falls. By then I will have another ENGR regiment there as well. And my air power will be rested up ready to go.

My other CV group in the South Pacific will rendevous next turn with its replenishment TF. and spend a day refueling, before possibly heading south to relieve the other group near Suva. Not sure what to do with the second ground quite yet, but they may make a reappearance around Noumea in a few days to pick off strangler merchies... We will see.

In all a good day for the IJN. I sunk 6 AKs and damaged another 6. I also damaged an AP and a sub. In return Rob damaged an IJN CA (not really but he hit it) and an AK hauling resources. Good day I think.

My troops are still marching towards Kungchang but it looks like Rob retreated the bulk of the chinese troops to the south of into the base so I won't be able to cut them off and destroy them. Now I just need to see if I can trap the troops in Kungchang so they don't retreat to Lanchow, where it looks like he has a dozen units already. The northern china fight is about to heat up and will prove interesting. I think it will be faily even in supply - he has short supply lines, but no supply. I have tons of supply, but long supply lines. The one advantage I know I will have is arty. I have a dozen of so arty units moving to support the attack, as well as most of the units prepping for the attack on Lanchow. My air power is greater than his, but the brit planes he has will be a nuisance until I can free up some zeros and kill them.

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21 February 1942 - 1/18/2005 7:38:31 PM   
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My MSWs encounter Rob's minefield at Kwajelein and begin sweeping it. An IJN sub encounters an AK and sinks it with torps and the deck gun. Intel from the recovered corpses in the area show that it was carrying men of the 101 USN base force. Hmmm...

1 allied AK and a MSW sink from previous damage.

Rob raided Rangoon again. This time with 12 Buffalo and 18 Liberators in the first wave and 6 B-17s in the second. In the first wave I lost 3 Oscars to his 2 Buffalo and 2 Liberators. The raid did some damage to my troops [82 men and 2 guns] and landed 3 hits on the airbase. In the second raid I lost 1 Oscar, yet the B-17s not nothing from 33000 feet.

My Sally raid on Akyab encounted no CAP but massive AA fire - 9 Sallies were damaged. They claimed 4 airbase, 2 supply and 39 runway hits. They also claim 21 men, 1 gun caught in the open. The best part was they bagged 3 Liberators and 3 Beaufort V-IXs destroyed, and another 4 of each damaged Anytime I caught Robs bombers on the ground its a good day.. Much easier to kill them on the ground...

My Sallies from Kuching have been raiding the base to the SW of it, bombing the DAF base unit there for about a week now. I have half a Brigade moving into the base sometime in the next year or so - damn units move slow on trails. The half brigade should take both allied bases on the western edge of Borneo easily. That will leave Rob with only Tarakan left on Borneo.

The Nells at Kuching raided Jambi again, hitting the 22nd Aussie Brigade there, claiming 21 men.

In china my air raids claim 41 men and 1 gun.

My CV group found some more merchies and hit them hard. In total 4 AKs and 1 AP were sunk.

Arty strikes at Singapore claim 76 men.

In all not a bad day... 5 AKs and 1 AP were sunk by direct damage this turn, and 1 AK and 1 MSW sunk from previous damage.. A good day against the allied merchies. Especially since at least 6 of those ships were carrying war material of some sort - men or supplies...

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22 February 1942 - 1/18/2005 7:46:41 PM   
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I have counterattack Rob's recent capture of Baker Island. A Small TF bombarded the US troops and I landed an NLF. After a short battle the island fell back into japanese hands.

My MSWs have arrived at Bataan and are cleaning up the mess of mines there.

Another raid at Rangoon by B-17s and chinese IL-4s. 1 chinese bomber destroyed and nothing hit as they were both over 31k feet.

A fighter sweep over Pagan was a success as my 27 zeros butchered the 6 Buffalos flying cap. Reports indicate 1 Buffalo pilot escaped the slaughter.

My air raid on Singapore port was a success. 27 Sonia and 74 Lillies attacked the port, hoping to damage it to slow down his builting of forts and consume supply - with the extra chance of killing some troops too. The Sonias got beat up - as expected, but the Lillies only had a couple planes damaged... They claimed 18 port, 1 fuel and 5 supply hits. A good days work.

A large group of british planes attacked my men heading for Kungchang - 9 Blenheim Is, 27 Blenheim IVs and 13 P-40Es attacked the IJA 40th Division. I had CAP over the target consisting of 13 Nates. In the battle 1 Nate was shot down, but reports indicate 2 P-40s destroyed, as well as 3 Blenheim Is and 8 Blenheim IVs were damaged. 61 IJA troops and 4 guns were hit in the raid. The raid came in at 1000 feet, thus my AA tore into the planes pretty good...

Air raids in china claim 101 chinese troops and 2 guns.

Neither of my CVs found any targets or if they did, they failed to launch any raids at least.

My ASW planes hit an allied Sub and an allied AK sank beneath the waves from previous damage.

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23 February 1942 - 1/18/2005 7:55:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Argh !! A slow turn and worse than that it was in Robs favor

Starts off with an TF leaving Truk heading for Admiralty Island with some engineers to build the place up some hitting a mine at Truk How the hell did he sneak in here and mine it ??? And of course the ship that hits the mine is carrying men, not one of the PG escorts...

My ASW TF detects an allied sub near Truk and actually gets 2 attack runs on it... Not only did they not hit it, they didn't even fire

Then, one of the few subs I have operating in the Bay of Bengal gets hammered by some british PGs and MSWs... I-122 takes 2 depth charges and is at 50 sys and 91 flt. I have ordered her home, but I doubt if she will make it.

The chinese air raid at Rangoon was beat up by my CAP. 1 bomber shot down, 1 damaged with no losses on my part.

Lilly raids on Singapore port claim 4 port, 2 fuel and 1 supply hits.

Rob continues to bomb my troops heading for Kungchang with his british bombers. This turn none were shot down, but 5 bombers were damaged. 13 IJA men and 1 gun were hit.

A second - much larger raid - hit 36 IJA troops and 4 guns. My Nates lost 4 planes and only a couple british planes were even damaged.

My air raids in china claim 69 men and 3 guns.

The AP that hit the mine is at 45 sys / 27 flt / 11 fire. It has been ordered to continue to its destination and I hope it makes it. It is carry 1/3 of a large base force.

That is about all that happened.. My CVs haven't found nothing, so I've ordered my CVs near Suva north to Kwajelein for fuel and replacements. My baby CVs near Broome have lost contact with a CL (according to intel) heading west from Broome - moving slow.. I figure it is a cripple from my earlier raid and I'm keeping the baby CVs in the area to finish it off - IF they can spot it...

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RE: 15 - 16 February 1942 - 1/19/2005 12:49:24 AM   
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One AP was only hit by MG bullets, but the other took MG fire and a single 60kg bomb as well. So at least one of them actually has a little bit of damage.

Thats about it for Feb 16...

Sure it was MG fire and not 20mm cannon? That's typically what scores with my zero attacks against allied shipping (in addition to the occasional bomb).

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RE: Question - 1/19/2005 12:58:43 AM   
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What do you guys think my chances of taking Midway at this stage of the game are ?

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Curious why you waited so long if this is a tactical goal. I took Midway T1 in my PBEM, for many of the reasons you list later in this AAR. Have loaded it with Bettys/Nells/Zeros (Zeros put there due to my paranoia).

Only annoyance so far (Jan'42) is Allies keep mining Midway with subs. Need a decent ASW there to stop (have MSWs on continuous vacuum patrol).

Do you plan to put an Air HQ there to maximize LB effects?

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RE: Question - 1/20/2005 8:50:06 AM   
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Curious why you waited so long if this is a tactical goal. I took Midway T1 in my PBEM, for many of the reasons you list later in this AAR. Have loaded it with Bettys/Nells/Zeros (Zeros put there due to my paranoia).

Only annoyance so far (Jan'42) is Allies keep mining Midway with subs. Need a decent ASW there to stop (have MSWs on continuous vacuum patrol).

Do you plan to put an Air HQ there to maximize LB effects?


Part of it is because I have a good chance of winning the game (although I think Rob and I will continue playing) in '43 and I'm getting point hungry.. That and I have spotted at least 4-5 TFs of APs, AKs and such moving to Midway, along with heavy ASW patrols, which leads me to believe he has reinforced it heavily... Midway should be stocked full of planes and men which leads to good points.. The problem is if I take heavy losses taking it it would not be worth it...

I doubt I would move an Air HQ there - unless I hold it longer than I think I will. I plan on holding it maybe a couple weeks before Rob pays it some attention.. He has to have 4-6 US BBs by now and they could easily move in (undetected) and bombard the hell out of the base costing me a lot.. I doubt he would do that until he is ready to invade, but I don't want to lose anything valuable there.

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24 February 1942 - 1/20/2005 8:59:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another slooow day in the war. It seems we have some real busy couple days, then it slows down real fast...

The turn starts off with a good shot for me. I-9 finds BB California and puts 3 torps into her - she catches fire and has heavy damage. I-9 escapes the return attacks of 2 DMS escorting her. California is at least 4+ days from the west coast, so there is a good chance she will sink if flt damage is high enough.

Rob bombs Rangoon with B-17s, scoring an oil hit.

Over 70 Sallies hit Akyab airfield catching a bunch of planes on the ground. Losses are 5 Sallies shot down another 10 damaged. Allied losses are reported at 6 buffalo, 3 Liberators, 2 Catalinas and 2 Beauforts destroyed and 6 buffalos, 15 Liberators and 1 Beaufort damaged. I also scored 51 casualties, 21 airbase, 2 supply and 63 runway hits.

My air raids on Singapore continue. My Lillies suffer 2 planes damaged and claim 28 brits killed, 19 port and 2 supply hits.

Major bombing raids in northern china as my men approach Kungchang. Botg IJA and british aircraft are fighting all over the skies.. Japanese losses are 44 men and 1 gun. Along with 1 Nate damaged. Allied losses are 94 men and 0 guns. As well as 1 Hudson damaged.

MY arty strikes at Singapore claim 105 men killed - they are getting better and better.

In south-eastern china, at the IJA base of Swatow, the 44th chinese corps/C portion surrenders after heavy combat (and 238:1 odds). 2902 chinese are captured. This leaves just 1 partial corps left in my china.. And it should fall soon.. I have a regiment attacking it next turn.

In general a slow turn. My good spots were the hitting of the California with several torps as well as catching a bunch of allied planes on the ground at Akyab. I'm surprised Rob is moving planes back there without suppressing Rangoon airfield... He didn't even have CAP in the air... Odd.. Maybe he forgot - like I have before... Oh well..

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25 February 1942 - 1/20/2005 9:08:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well this turn was slower than last I think... I still had some good points as you will see...

My MSWs encounter a minefield at Truk and begin sweeping it up

Robs attack on Rangoon netted him 3 damaged B-17s and thats it.

More heavy bombing raids near Kungchang. IJA losses are 44 men and 1 gun. Allied losses are 135 men and 6 guns. We both suffered some damaged planes, but nothing that won't be fixed by next turn.

IJN I-20 located an allied AK and hit her with a torp. As the ship escaped, the sub found roughly 30 bodies of american troops floating in the water.. More men dead Now lets hope that ship sinks.

My troops approaching Kungchang from the south engaged the partial chinese unit holding the road and achieved 5980:1 odds.. The chinese lost 141 men and 1 gun and retreated into Kungchang. I have ordered my troops to proceed into the city - where I plan on conducting arty strikes for a few days.

My regiment attacked the last chinese unit in my china and achieved 562:1 odds. The 44th chinese corps/A (I think) folded up like a newspaper and 1717 chinese troops entered slavery. This cleans up my china of all enemy units - at least as far as I can see.

My arty strikes on Singapore claim another 74 men. My first wave of arty from Luzon is fully loaded and on there way... I have ordered an attack on the next turn to attempt to lower the forts Rob must be building up in the base. I'm counting on my 2 ENG regiments to do some damage.

I have decided to pull both CV groups out of the South Pacific. One will head for Japa for basic repairs and the other will go... Not sure yet.. The one heading for Japan is making a put stop at Canton to bomb the place and see what Rob has moved there if anything. I plan on invading both Canton and Palmyra as soon as the units are ready and the ships assembled - probably 2 weeks before the actual landings occur.

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RE: Question - 1/20/2005 7:07:56 PM   
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Part of it is because I have a good chance of winning the game (although I think Rob and I will continue playing) in '43 and I'm getting point hungry.. That and I have spotted at least 4-5 TFs of APs, AKs and such moving to Midway, along with heavy ASW patrols, which leads me to believe he has reinforced it heavily... Midway should be stocked full of planes and men which leads to good points.. The problem is if I take heavy losses taking it it would not be worth it...

I doubt I would move an Air HQ there - unless I hold it longer than I think I will. I plan on holding it maybe a couple weeks before Rob pays it some attention.. He has to have 4-6 US BBs by now and they could easily move in (undetected) and bombard the hell out of the base costing me a lot.. I doubt he would do that until he is ready to invade, but I don't want to lose anything valuable there.

Xargun

I can understand your reasoning if the Allies hold Midway this late into the game. My curiosity was directed to why you didn't try for Midway early December '41. Many of your goals could be met with that approach as well....

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