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Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 1/30/2005 8:22:26 AM   
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I've been working on recreating Operation Jubilee, the massively unsuccessful amphibious assault on Dieppe in August of 1942. I've got the map finished finally, and I know what units took part, as well as total troop numbers and types on the Allies side. What I am looking for is if anyone has any information on just how the total troops were divided (ie: how many members of each unit were actually present in the assault) as well as any information at all on the total number of defenders on the German side. The only information I have found about the german forces at all is that they utilized a large number of machine guns in the town along the beachfront itself, but no records for any other forces or even the actual quantities of MG emplacements...

Here's what I have for information so far for units involved and their deployment/objectives:

Total of ~4000 Canadian infantry, 1000 British commandos, and 50 US Rangers

14th Army Tank Regiment (Calgary Tanks) {Canada}
67 Churchill Mark I tanks, 4 tanks per troop plus command groups.
Red/White Beach (Main Assault)

Royal Canadian Engineers {Canada}
314 Men
Red/White Beach (Main Assault)

Royal Hamilton Light Infantry {Canada}
Quantity Unknown
White Beach (Main Assault)

Essex Scottish Regiment {Canada}
Quantity Unknown
Red Beach (Main Assault)

Royal Regiment of Canada {Canada}
27 Officers, 516 Infantrymen
Blue Beach (Puys / Rommel Battery)

South Saskatchewan Regiment {Canada}
Quantity Unknown
Green Beach (Pourville)

Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders {Canada}
Quantity Unknown
Green Beach (Pourville)

No 3 Commando {Britain}
Quantity Unknown
Yellow Beach #1 (Berneval / Goebbels Battery)
Yellow Beach #2 (Belleville-sur-Mer)

No 4 Commando {Britain}
Quantity Unknown
Orange Beach #1 (Vasterival)
Orange Beach #2 (Quiberville / Hess Battery)

1st Ranger Battalion {USA}
50 men
Divided up and attached to British commando teams

Support Units:
60 Fighter Squadrons, primarily Spitfires {Britain}
7 Fighter-Bomber and Bomber Squadrons {Britain}
8 Destroyers (4" Guns) {4 British, 4 USA}

Reserves/Reinforcements force:
Fusiliers Mont-Royal {Canada}
26 barges of troops, no actual quantity known


Any help anyone could provide filling in the missing information would be greatly appreciated...
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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 1/30/2005 2:44:42 PM   
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Hey Raccoon,

This may sound like a copout, but you might want to check out some of the other scenarios that have been done on Dieppe. Many times the authors cite their sources which you can then check for yourself. It also may not be a bad idea to see how they handled it. No sense in recreating the wheel, although it sounds like you already did by making the map.

I don't know if you saw the Dieppe discussion on the main discussion board. If not, here's the link:
http://www.matrixgames.com/default.asp?URL=http%3A//www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp%3Fm%3D772247

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 1/30/2005 6:15:47 PM   
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Yes, that one scenario by Drake was the only one I was able to find however. I can't find the one that Wild Bill did, or any others. And it (Drake's) only models the involvement of the troops involved in the Red/White beach assaults. Admittedly, it does look like a quite nice scenario, I was just looking to do a larger scenario covering the entire raid, with more detailed representation of the events and units involved.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 1/30/2005 10:58:52 PM   
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I'm glad you saw them. Did you think about breaking it into smaller chunks and making a mini-campaign out of it?

Just a thought.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 1/31/2005 8:56:38 AM   
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Actually, that's exactly what I'm planning :P. But I am also trying to work out a way (using the branching campaign possibilities and the various "special" VH types) that the initial scenarios can actually have an effect on the final main assault. For example, in the historic battle, the gun boat escorting the No. 3 Commando team to Berneval came under fire, which alerted the Germans to the attack (as well as preventing the landing of the teams on the beach at Berneval). A single transport did manage to slip through and drop 20 men on the beach to keep the Goebbels Battery occupied enough to keep it from firing on the main assault force, but they were unable to provide flanking support as was originally intended.

Basically, I've got the map for the entire area done, and am just duplicating smaller portions of it for the "precursor" missions that came shortly before the main assault. Depending on success or failure in those missions (and level of success...in the example above it would be a marginal victory, a decisive would require not being intercepted...and failure to disable the battery would count as defeat) the final forces placed on the main assault mission at the end would be different.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 1/31/2005 6:05:26 PM   
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Sounds great, Racoon. Looking forward to it!

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 2:33:14 AM   
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Me too, Racoon. I'm sure you'll do a great job with it. Your research appears to be sound.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 5:52:07 AM   
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Thanks guys...hopefully you'll say the same after playing it, lol! BTW: Any chance you've still got the map laying around from your old scen WB? I'd like to compare it with the one I did, as the one I did is based on present-day sat photos...I couldn't find any WWII era maps of the area.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 6:58:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Raccoon_TOF


quote:

14th Army Tank Regiment (Calgary Tanks) {Canada}
67 Churchill Mark I tanks, 4 tanks per troop plus command groups.
Red/White Beach (Main Assault)


Of the 29 tanks that attempted to land 2 drowned and the rest made it to shore. Of these 27, 15 crossed the seawall. Of the remaining 12, four had their tracks broken by shellfire, four by chert and three others most likely by chert. The 12th tank remained mobile but did not leave the beach. None of the tanks were penetrated by German gunfire. German guns were 37mm ATG, 47mm ATG and 75mm FG (French 75)

Four types of Churchill were employed.
Churchill I with 2 pounder, Besa CMG and 3" howitzer
Churchill II with 2 pounder Besa CMG and Besa BMG
Churchill II Oke with flamethrower added
Churchill III with 6 pounder gun, Besa CMG and Besa BMG.

Of the 29 tanks that landed, eleven carried 2 pounder guns, while the remaining eighteen were armed with 6 pounders. They had no HE ammunition.

At least one tank "Beetle" carried a Ronson flamethrower.
One tank did not attempt to move off the landing craft.

Of the other tanks, the whole of A Squadron and 3 troops of C Squadron were never sent in.

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Royal Canadian Engineers {Canada}
314 Men
Red/White Beach (Main Assault)


Only 71 Beach Assault Engineers landed of whom only 9 returned, 4 wounded.

Other 'engineers' may have been the demolition teams each of whom had specific demolition targets. But few of the engineers got off the beach.

German troop count was a garrison of some 1500 of the 571 Infantry Regiment.


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Any help anyone could provide filling in the missing information would be greatly appreciated...



I'll see what else I can dig up

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 7:28:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Raccoon_TOF

Total of ~4000 Canadian infantry, 1000 British commandos, and 50 US Rangers



The force embarked 4912 troops (304 officers, 4,608 other ranks).
The heaviest losses were suffered by 4 Cdn Inf Bde, which embarked 94
officers and 1,604 other ranks, and brought back 17 officers and 334 other
ranks.

In addition to the Canadian force, the military units employed included
detachments of the 3rd, 4th and Royal Marine Commandos of the Special Service
Brigade, and small detachments of United States and Fighting French troops.

At Varengeville the operation proceeded according to plan. Here No. 4
Commando, commanded by Lt.-Col. Lord Lovat, M.C., landed successfully, carried
the enemy battery which was their objective, captured prisoners, destroyed the
guns and their ammunition dumps and subsequently withdrew.

On the other flank at Berneval No. 3 commando, commanded by Lt.-Col.
R.G. Durnford-Slater, met with a misfortune which affected the whole
subsequent course of the operation. At 3:30 in the morning the landing craft
carrying this force, which was scheduled to land at 4:50, encountered five or
six enemy armed vessels which were acting as escort to a tanker. A naval
engagement ensued. As a result not only were the landing craft carrying the
Commando dispersed, but the German troops holding the defences which were the
objective on this flank were unquestionably warned of the approach of our
force. Due to these circumstances only a small proportion of the Commando
force intended for this duty succeeded in landing in the Berneval area; but
the men who actually landed, although too few to attack the enemy battery,
sniped at the gunners throughout the operation, and to a certain extent
succeeded in interfering with their fire.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 9:30:34 AM   
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Thanks for the info...the stats on the totals for the 4th Inf Bde should help me narrow down individual unit counts there considerably. Also, according to the first post there, the Calgary Tanks were certainly not of the composition that had been given for them (I know the number of tanks I had is accurate, or at least it's posted the same on 3 different sources, but I only had the 1 source that mentioned what model Churchill was used. Nice to have the info on the other models present.) And yes, the "engineers" figure listed includes support troops and demolitions teams, as per the standard organizational model for the Canadian Engineers Corps. And AFAIK, none of the "engineers" actually ended up leaving the beach, though they were instrumental in providing assistance to those tanks that did make it over the seawall as well as those remaining behind to cover the retreat and withdrawal of the few surviving forces from the infantry brigades. Note that not a single tank crewmember left the beach...choosing instead to remain behind to provide covering fire for the infantry, and ending up all being killed in action, or else made POW's by the Germans after the infantry had withdrawn...

Unfortunately, I already had most of the "landing" numbers and casualties...the problem is that they aren't useful for determining how many troops were originally loaded on the transports for each unit (the landing figures, which are all that are given in most of the sources, don't count those troops lost in the shelling of the transports as they approached the beach once the alarm was raised due to the interception at Berneval. And I want the player to have the chance to get more troops ashore / into action than the historic battle...if they do things as planned or better, as opposed to how it actually ended up...)

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 9:41:18 AM   
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Oh, and by the way, speaking of casualties...for those that have argued that no WWII era battle had the sorts of casualties modeled in WaW...I just thought I'd point out that the Royal Regiment of Canada landed 27 officers and 516 enlisted...of those, 3 officers and 57 enlisted survived, and 224 of those lost were fatal casualties within the first few minutes of landing due to heavy German MG fire. That's a loss of nearly 89% of an entire battalion level force...(and contributes significantly to the 4th Bde losses mentioned above...which was still nearly 80% of an entire BRIGADE lost in a single engagement)

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 10:35:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Raccoon_TOF

Thanks guys...hopefully you'll say the same after playing it, lol! BTW: Any chance you've still got the map laying around from your old scen WB? I'd like to compare it with the one I did, as the one I did is based on present-day sat photos...I couldn't find any WWII era maps of the area.


Hey Raccoon. Good discussion between you and the Major here.

There is a copy of WB's Dieppe map in the map directory. You can load it by going in the scenario editor and then select load maps. It's on the fourth screen down, 2/3 of the way down the page, labelled Dieppe, Normandy. I was doing some research in the map archive this past weekend and saw it as I was browsing through.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 10:46:21 PM   
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Hope this is of some help, I'd been planning a simulation of Dieppe too, but haven't got round to it yet.

Canadian 2nd Division
Embarked Killed Wounded POW Returned
[evacuated]
HQ & Miscellaneous 90 5 14 15 70
4th Canadian Infantry Brigade
(Brigadier Sherwood Lett)
J Section, 2nd Canadian
Division Signals
Royal Regiment of Canada 554 227 33 264 65
(Lt Col D E Chatto) (40.9%) (6%) (47.7%) (11.7%)
Royal Hamilton Light Infantry 582 197 109 175 217
(Lt Col Labatt) (33.8%) (18.7%) (30%) (37.3%)
Essex Scottish Regiment 553 121 27 382 52
(Lt Col Jasperson) (21.9%) (4.9%) (69%) (9.4%)
6th Canadian Infantry Brigade
(Brigadier W W Southam)
L Section, 2nd Canadian
Division Signals
Les Fusiliers Mont-Royal 584 119 50 344 125
(Lt Col D Menard) (20.4%) (8.6%) (58.9%) (21.4%)
Queen’s Own Cameron 503 76 103 167 268
Highlanders of Canada (15.1%) (20.5%) (33.2%) (53.3%)
(Lt Col A C Gostling)
South Saskatchewan Regiment 523 84 166 89 353
(Lt Col C C I Merritt) (16.1%) (31.7%) (17%) (67.5%)
14th Canadian Army 417 13 4 157 247
Tank Regiment (The Calgary (3%) (1%) (37.6%) (59%)
Regiment) (Lt Col Andrews)
[from 1st Canadian Army
Tank Brigade]
7th Field Company, RCE
2nd Canadian Division Signals 9
Attached
8th Canadian Reconnaissance
Regiment
The Black Watch of Canada 111 4 6 63 44
(Royal Highland Regiment) (3.6%) (5.4%) (56.8%) (39.6%)
The Calgary Highlanders 23 23
The Toronto Scottish 125 1 8 4 120
(MG battalion) (0.8%) 6.4%) (3.2%) (96%)
R.C.A. [elements] 270 13 4 30 227
(4.8%) (1.5%) (11.1%) (84.1%)
R.C.A.S.C. [elements] 38 1 6 4 33
(2.6%) (15.8%) (10.5%) (86.8%)
R.C.E. [elements] 316 27 36 125 165
(8.5%) (11.4%) (40%) (52.2%)
R.C.A.M.C. [elements] 126 4 3 12 110
(3.2%) (2.4%) (9.5%) (87.3%)
R.C.O.C. [elements] 15 2 2 2 11
(13.3%) (13.3%) (13.3%) (73.3%)
Canadian Provost Corps 41 1 7 18 22
[elements] (2.4%) (17.1%) (44%) (53.7%)
Canadian Intelligence Corps 15 3 0 5 7
[elements] (20%) (33.3%) (46.7%)
Canadian Totals
4963 907 587 1946 2210
(18.3%) (11.8%) (39.2%) (44.5%)
N.B. Wounded figures are for wounded evacuated only. An additional 570 wounded
were captured and included in those figures. Totals do not therefore = 100%. Total wounded is also estimated at 2460 (= 49.6%). Of the 2210 evacuated, only 336 (6.8%) were uninjured.
Other Forces
Embarked Killed Wounded POW Total
[evacuated] Casualties
No. 3 (Army) Commando
(Lt Col Durnford-Slater) 126
No. 4 (Army) Commando
(Lt Col The Lord Lovat) 45
with under command:
1st US Ranger Battalion 50 6 7 4 17
[elements] (12%) (14%) (8%) 34%)
RM ‘A’ Commando
(Lt Col Picton-Phillips) 100
British totals 1075 52 271
(4.8%) (25.2%)
No. 10 Inter-Allied 20
Commando [including 15 French]
N.B. An estimated 1000 of the embarked Allied force did not land - including most of No. 3 Commando, part of the RM Commando, and half of the 14th Tank Regiment.

German Land Forces
Units in action italicised [total = c. 2500-5000].
302nd Infantry Division [of LXXXI Corps of 15 Army of Army Group D]
(Lieutenant General Konrad Haase) (HQ Envermu)
570th Infantry Regiment (1st Battalion; 2nd Battalion; 3rd Battalion)
571st Infantry Regiment (1st Battalion; 571st Cyclist Company; 571st ATk Company) [rated low combat worthiness]
572nd Infantry Regiment
302nd Artillery Regiment (incl. 3rd Group)
302nd ATk Company
302nd Engineer Company
302nd Pioneer Battalion
332nd Division
676th Infantry Regiment (1st Battalion; 3rd Battalion)
813th Battery
2/770 Coastal Battery
Casualties
Killed Wounded Missing Total
Army
115/345 187 14 316
Navy
78 33 111
Air Force
40/104 58 162

Now to cause a bit of confusion as I also found the following:
Germans:
Defending Blue Beach & East harbour: HQ & 9, 10, & 12 (weapons) coys 3/571st. B trp & 8th trp 302nd Artillery.
Defending the West harbour: HQ & 5,6, & 8 (weapons) coys 2/571st. 1, 2 coy 302nd Engineer Bn. A trp & 7th trp 302nd Artillery.
Defending Red and White Beaches. HQ 571st I.R. 7/2/571st, 11/3/571st. Naval Company.

From the official German report:
In the Dieppe Sector there were employed:- 1 Infantry regiment (Infan. Reg. 571) with 2 battalions of infantry
I Pioneer battalion with 2 companies of pioneers
8 anti-landing guns and three 47-mm. guns served by infantry
The 3rd Group, 302nd Artillery Regiment with 2 batteries of light field-howitzers and 2 range-finding batteries.
The coastal battery of heavy field-howitzers of Post 265. For Flak:-

1 heavy battery (of 75 mm)
1 platoon (50 mm)
1 platoon (37 mm)
2 platoons (20 mm)
About 200 men of various Naval detachments
60 men of the police
1 experimental company of 60 men

Army Reserves were:- Infantry Regiment 676 at Doudeville.
1st Battalion of Infantry Regiment 676 around Hericourt
3rd Battalion of Infantry Regiment 676 around Yvetot
3rd Battalion of Infantry Regiment 570 around Baqueville
81st Armoured Company at Yvetot.

Matthew

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/1/2005 10:53:11 PM   
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Report continued:

Progress of the Operations
59. The British Forces proceeding towards the French coast met, at 0400 hours, a German convoy about 20 kilometres off Dieppe. A violent action took place between the two formations, which, though short, gave the alarm to all the coastal defences. While enquiries were still being made as to whether they were our own or enemy ships off Dieppe, heavy air-attack with the dropping of bombs and firing on Dieppe itself and the sides of the town was taking place. While this air attack was going on, evidently with the object or neutralizing the coast defences, groups of landing-craft in waves of 40 to 50 emerged from the clouds of artificial smoke made by the aircraft, and under cover of the British Naval gunfire, proceeded towards the shore. Natural fog, as well as the artificial smoke and the dim light of dawn, prevented our artillery from scattering the landing craft already very close in, so that the fire of the guns and heavy weapons had to be concentrated on them when they were practically on the beach. On the beach itself there was so much fog and smoke as to make observation very difficult.
60. To the east of Dieppe the enemy had landed at the opening of the valley near Berneval, presumably in the strength of a Commando of 250 men, with orders to take and to destroy the battery in position there. They had succeeded in scaling the sides of the cliffs with the help of ladders, ropes and other gear, and attacked the battery. The latter was situated in a blockhouse, and consisted of a machine-gun squad under the command of an officer of the Berneval sector. The battery was able to repel, partly with direct gunfire at close range and partly with machine-gun fire, the fierce enemy attacks. A position situated near the battery with a personnel of 100 men was also attacked, but all the attacks were repelled, mostly by counter-attacks.
61. 302nd Infantry Division had, on hearing of the attack on Berneval, ordered a counter-attack to he made by the 302nd Anti-tank Group under Major von Blucher, together with the Cyclist Squadron stationed at St. Nicholas and the 3rd Pioneer Company stationed at Argues-la-Bataille. Major von Blucher also assumed the command of the 3rd Company of the 572nd Infantry Regiment which came out from St. Martin. The Berneval battery repelled the enemy attack. Major von Blucher succeeded in wiping out the eneny forces at Berneval and captured 2 officers and 80 men.
62. A similar action to that described above was taking place to the west of Dieppe against the battery near Varengeville by a special Commando of 300 men. Protected by smoke, this Commando landed on the coast on both sides of Varengeville, whilst another Group attempted to land opposite the Quiberville blockhouse where a platoon of the 3rd Company of the 571st Infantry Regiment was stationed. The attempt was frustrated by the concentrated fire of the Company.1 On the other hand some Commandos were able to get ashore at various points in the area around Varengeville, where small wooded cliffs run down to the sea and where it was possible to clamber up
This enemy force, about 300 men, attacked the battery from two sides with hand grenades, machine guns, and revolvers and mortars, while air bombardment neutralised the defence of the battery with continuous diving raids. Tracer bullets ignited the cartridges which which were stored in the battery. The battery defended itself bravely right up to the end as is proved by the 28 dead and 29 wounded, including the Commanding Officer who directed the fire and did his best to hold out. When at last the battery passed into British hands practically all the guns had.been rendered unserviceable by the ignition of the ammunition.

It was probably 0800 hours when the British Commandos re-embarked, taking with them 4 prisoners, and there were many dead and wounded of their own.
Evidently both the actions at Berneval and Varengeville Acre carried out with the object of wiping out the two heavy coastal batteries in order to facilitate later landings and subsequent re-embarkations at Dieppe.
The two coastal batteries were outside the main sector of Dieppe and through lack of personnel were not able to be defended sufficiently by infantry. The critical position of 813 was known, and its inclusion in the Dieppe defences proper should have been made earlier.


The Principal Attack against Dieppe
63. This took place on a wide front with three principal centres, at Puits, Dieppe itself and Pourville
The attack at Puits was broken up by the concentrated fire of the heavy artillery with serious losses to the enemy. No British troops were able to force a passage through the defences. The enemy was literally wiped out by flanking fire in front of the barriers, on the high walls running along the beach and on the beach itself. Besides numerous prisoners taken, there were 150 dead at this point alone.
The battalion which was landed immediately to the west of Dieppe Harbour, up to the Rue Duquesne, was dispersed and destroyed together with the tanks which had been landed. The gunboat Locust, which had come up to the entrance of the harbour at 0600, found herself under the fire of the anti-landing guns and was hit several times; she tried to back out under a smoke screen and was probably sunk, as during an interval of good visibility the stern of a large sinking ship with 200 or 300 men on board was clearly seen.
The two battalions which with tanks had landed on the two sides of the Casino suffered the same fate. They were dispersed during the landing operation on the beach and on the promenade, and with the exception of some patrols did not succeed in entering the town. All the tanks landed there were destroyed.
64. The 6th Battalion, however, succeeded in entering the western part of Pourville with the aid of darkness and smoke screens and overcame the weak garrison (1 platoon of infantry and men of the Todt Organisation). The battalion then tried to reach the objectives assigned to them. Two companies setting out from Pourville westwards overcame all the positions along the coastal road in the valley of the Scie and got as far as the anti-tank positions, where they put the gun out of use. Practically all the personnel serving the gun were killed. A part of the British were able to get over the Scie and arrive at the northern side of the Quatre Vents farm. Here they were destroyed.
The two companies did not succeed in breaking through the line of the principal defences of Dieppe. This line began only at the anti-tank positions, whilst Pourville had an advanced post only weakly defended.
The other two companies presumably reached their first objective, occupying the south side of Pourville and the machine gun positions on the heights towards the west forming with it a bridgehead.
65. The 7th Battalion, which had orders to land behind the 6th Battalion and to advance along the west bank of the Scie as far as the airport of St. Aubin, arrived in the zone of Hautot by going through the woods on the heights to the west of the river; they then came under the flanking fire from Quatre Vents Farm and met the Cyclist Platoon pushed forward by the 571st Infantry Regiment and other patrols from the same regiment. The intentions of this Canadian Battalion are not clear; they had met only slight resistance as there were only few German troops in the locality but they found it impossible to carry out orders to advance in the direction of the airport of St. Aubin. Probably they were held up by an order from the British Command as the frontal attack against Dieppe and Puits had not succeeded.
From the British orders it appears that the troops landed ought to have reached their fixed objectives before 1130 hours and that the retirement and re-embarkation ought to have started at that time. This operation had to be finished by 1430 hours. Numerous other vessels approached the beach at Dieppe up to midday. On account of the smoke it was not possible to see whether these vessels landed other troops or if they were taking on board those who had previously landed.

Measures adopted by Army Command
66. When shortly after 0500 hours the width of the attaching front was known and it was seen that there were no attacks at Le Treport, at the mouth of the Somme, and in the sector of the 332 Infantry Dwisien, the latter had, as already mentioned, sent from Argues-la-Bataille to Berneval the Cyclist Squadron and 3rd Pioneer Company under the orders of Major von Blucher to help the Berneval Battery.
At 0610 hours the 571st infantry Regiment stationed at Dieppe ordered its first battalion at Ouville to be prepared to attack in the Pourville direction.
The G.O.C. 81st Corps, who at 0540 hours gave the Alarm II to all divisions and reserves, put the 3rd Battalion of the 570th Infantry Regiment at the disposal of the 302nd Infantry Division and ordered it forward to Offranville, while the remainder of the reserves were given orders to advance to Bacqueville (14 kilometres southwards of Dieppe). The 1st Battalion of the 571st Infantry Regiment was ready at 0900 hours in the Hautot area for the attack against Pourville. At 1030 hours the battalion began the attack against Pourville cleared the enemy from the heights to the west and took about 200 prisoners.
The position at Dieppe itself was cleared up by 1100 with the employment of five companies of the 571st Infantry Regiment, with some of the 302nd Pioneer Company. The counter-attack by this force caused the surrender of the British troops landed, who were completely demoralised. About 100 prisoners were taken.



What was the Cause of the Failure of the British Operation?
67. It was an absolutely mistaken estimate of the extent of the German defence which decided the enemy to take the bull by the horns and to land the main forces of his troops and tanks frontally at Dieppe, even though as appears from his charts he had a clear knowledge of the organisation of the coastal defences, the cement fortifications, the anti-tank walls, the machine gun positions, and the anti-landing guns. It is also hard to understand why no tank support was given to the patrols landed at Pourville. Probably the attack by tanks coming from Pourville against the heights west of Dieppe and the Quatre Vents Farm would have been successful even if getting through the anti-tank walls and over the Scie would have been a formidable obstacle.
Against all expectations, neither airborne troops nor parachutists were employed by the British. If Puits had been attacked from the east by airborne troops and at the same time from the sea, the position of the defence in the area would have been very critical, especially at first.
The enemy certainly thought that his air attack would have a demoralising effect on the coastal defences and hoped, therefore, to be able to overcome the German lines fairly easily with his battalions. Probably the precision and the efficiency of the British air attacks was considerably influenced by the smoke cover over Dieppe.
68.. The enemy landed both light and heavy mortars, but in all his orders only one light battery and one light A.S. Squadron is mentioned, which was to be landed near Puits. As the landing, therefore, failed these guns were not employed. Probably some light assault artillery would have been of greater service initially than tanks.
69. Since the large naval vessels were not able to see the result of their gunfire on account of the artificial smoke, there was a want of any artillery support for the enemy forces.
The British under-estimate of our defences is as surprising, in view of their air reconnaissance, as is the brief lapse of time in which they believed they could carry out the whole operation.
Their operational orders extending over 100 pages gave the fullest details of the task of each unit and detachment. Their detail gave rise in itself to the germ of failure in case unforeseen difficulties presented themselves.
70. The British attack against Dieppe completely failed with very great losses to the enemy, thanks to the valiant defence of all our Armed Forces. The enemy left 95 officers and 2,122 men prisoners in our hands. Up to the 24th August, his dead are estimated at 475. More corpses are continually being washed up by the sea. A large percentage of losses which cannot be estimated was caused afloat by our gunfire, our air bombmg, and the sinking of landing vessels, lighters and destroyers. The enemy losses must amount to 60 or 70 per cent of the landing force.
German Losses
302nd Infantry Division:- 5 officers; 14 non-commissioned officers, 68 men dead
1 non-commissioned officer, 9 men missing 5 officers, 27 non-commissioned officers, 124 men wounded
Total Losses: (Army, Navy, Air Force, Todt Organisation)
6 officers, 144 non-commissioned officers and men dead
15 non-commissioned officers and men missing
5 officers, 270 non-commissioned officers and men wounded

Booty
28 tanks 60 machine pistols
7 motor lorries 42 anti-tank rifles
1 petrol waggon 70 light mortars
1,300 rifles 60 heavy mortars
170 machine guns
In addition, a quantity of ammunition, hand grenades, explosives and equipment.
Good luck. I look forward to playing the end product.
Matthew

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/2/2005 1:51:48 AM   
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Wow, excellent information, that is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks so much! I'm leaving (moving) tomorrow morning, but I'll get to work on the individual scenarios starting after I get settled in, probably towards the middle of the month. And thank you also IBT, I hadn't noticed it when I looked through the scenario list for some reason, I'll look through again and see if I can find it.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/2/2005 4:54:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raccoon_TOF
And thank you also IBT, I hadn't noticed it when I looked through the scenario list for some reason, I'll look through again and see if I can find it.


Raccoon--I just wanted to clarify--the map is not under the scenario list in the editor. It's under the map list. Click on load under the map section in the editor to find it.

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RE: Help with Scenario Design - Info needed - 2/2/2005 6:24:41 AM   
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Ah, that would explain why I was not able to find it...thanks again.

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