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Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 8:03:39 AM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 9:08:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't know exactly but appears to be a twin engine aircraft, probably captured and being tested by the U.S. or Brits judging by the handwriting next to some of the instruments. Lower right hand panel has dual oil temp gauges. Lower left throttle pack has dual throttles. Judging from the window layout, I would say Italian, possibly German. Dosen't strike me as a Japanese design right off the bat.

First thought was a German jet but then I saw the manifold and cylinder pressure gauges.

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 9:50:25 AM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 12:06:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The joystick is like a set of handelbars... is the pilot lying prone?
Bottm left lever is labelled "Tail Cluster" ... perhaps a rocket pack?
Twin engine yes.

I was thinking Gotha but the GO-229 had a one-piece front windshield whereas the photo has four sections abd then I saw the RPM guage which indicates prop driven. No sign of a prop in front but there is the slightest indication of nose fueselage at the bottom of the windshield.

Is that an angle indicated in the corrugated iron in the backgrouund. Could we be looka the ceiling of a hanger? The Nattar had a three piece windshield and only one engine so forget that theory :(

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 12:54:17 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 1:06:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		second thought, no X plane, a OIL temp GAUGE on the dash. Rocked planes do not have a oil temp gauge . There is also NO GUNSSIGHT, making it highly unlike to be an operational fighter. No diffinatly no X-1, have some cockpit pics on the screen.

concusion I HAVE NO IDEA

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 2:54:15 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 2:57:00 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 3:43:19 PM   
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a Ki46 Dinah



Dunno much about plane cockpits, however, Brady DID NOT label this "special edition" - and so if his old conventions hold true, this is something out of the WITP sphere - not ETO, not Post-WW2. This would pretty much rule out German and Italian aircraft, X-1, etc.

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 3:49:50 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 3:50:30 PM   
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dinah is jap................silly man


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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 4:17:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I already thought about the dinah, but I already checked severall cocpit photos and windscreen desings. it looks like a dinah, but it isn't one.........

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 4:51:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The clock numerals and altimeter numerals seem to clearly be western. The instrument labeling does indeed look "after market", but why would the numerals be western on a Japanese plane?

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 4:55:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

The joystick is like a set of handelbars... is the pilot lying prone?
Bottm left lever is labelled "Tail Cluster" ... perhaps a rocket pack?
Twin engine yes.

I was thinking Gotha but the GO-229 had a one-piece front windshield whereas the photo has four sections abd then I saw the RPM guage which indicates prop driven. No sign of a prop in front but there is the slightest indication of nose fueselage at the bottom of the windshield.

Is that an angle indicated in the corrugated iron in the backgrouund. Could we be looka the ceiling of a hanger? The Nattar had a three piece windshield and only one engine so forget that theory :(

I shall retire and think some more



I think that might be the rudder control on the floor...there seems to be no room under the instrument panel for legs. In which case the control stick is not in the picture and the pilot might be consigned to a reclining position...which suggest test aircraft to me.

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 6:03:14 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 6:46:22 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 6:48:58 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 7:00:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a Dornier Do-335A-1 Pfeil
Cool plane, It was a twin but a tractor-pusher setup

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/dornier_do335.htm

The Cockpit must have been translated postwar

Edit: Nope, I am wrong, the engines instruments are marked "L" and "R" do it can't be a tractor-pusher

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 7:06:01 PM   
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It is a Dornier Do-335A-1 Pfeil
Cool plane, It was a twin but a tractor-pusher setup

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/dornier_do335.htm

The Cockpit must have been translated postwar


Well, either Brady forgot to call this a "Special Edition", or it's not a Dornier, or the were Dorniers in the Pacific Theater that i never heard about.

Did the Japanese have an equivalent?

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 7:33:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rendova

It is a Dornier Do-335A-1 Pfeil
Cool plane, It was a twin but a tractor-pusher setup

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/dornier_do335.htm

The Cockpit must have been translated postwar


How come we cant see any of the front prop blades then? Seems to me we ought to be able to see at least one.

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 7:40:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rendova

It is a Dornier Do-335A-1 Pfeil
Cool plane, It was a twin but a tractor-pusher setup

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/dornier_do335.htm

The Cockpit must have been translated postwar


How come we cant see any of the front prop blades then? Seems to me we ought to be able to see at least one.


That is bothering me as well, maybe I am wrong...
I remember seeing a a picture of a cockpit of one somewhere else and it looked similar, I feel it is a captured plane, maybe the prop was removed when it was shiped back to the states?

Edit: Nope, I am wrong, the engines instruments are marked "L" and "R" do it can't be a tractor-pusher

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 8:14:27 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 8:30:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some thoughts,
First it's a prop A/C
I see two 'Man Pr' gages but only one 'Cyl Temp' gage and what appears to be a 'EXH TEM' (Exhaust Temp?) and what the heck is a SYNCN gage (syncronize?) and what appear to be two magneto switches, two Oil Temp gages (appear to be labled L and R).
The windshield says it not a fighter looks heavy and shaped wrong no flat panel for gunsight.
The yoke says not a fighter in fact the yoke looks like a pair of handle bars, unless the thing that looks like a yoke is actually the rudder pedals (hummm).
Perhaps a recon A/C.
The gage on the left (may be an add on) looks like it is in english. So a captured A/C.


How many twin engine tandum or single seater bombers/recon, of non Allied origin do you know.

I could be all wrong. (most likey answer)

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 9:07:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exhaust temp gauges can give an indication whether the engines are running rich or lean.

The SYNCH is for multi-engine aircraft and is designed to keep the engines from operating totally in synch. If they are exactly in synch, they can create harmonic vibrations that will eventually cause structural failure. I would assume as this is a SYNCH gauge, that the pilot must manually adjust the throttles to avoid propeller synchronization.

The Lockheed Electras had several instances where the tails fell off in flight in the 50's. The cause was eventually traced to the propellers creating harmonic vibrations which tore the airplane apart.

The P-3 Orion (Navy derivative of the Lockheed Electra) has a prop synchrophaser that ensures all propellors operate at slighlty different RPM settings.

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 9:17:11 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 9:23:12 PM   
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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 9:39:08 PM   
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I just thought i'd try to get another hint by seeing what your uploaded file name was - "no_more_hints.jpg"!

Very clever

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 9:51:09 PM   
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LOL!

I just thought i'd try to get another hint by seeing what your uploaded file name was - "no_more_hints.jpg"!

Very clever


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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/17/2005 11:58:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right..so we need a twin-engine (early war or pre-war) aircraft or western (not Japanese) manufacture with a thin fuselage, solo or tandem pilot seating arrangement, no nose cannons, a segmented, heavy windscreen with crappy visibility, and a ventral window on the nose so the pilot doesnt plow the thing into the runway when he is trying to land the beast.

This is no prototype...the paint is all worn off. I'm not even sure about the captured theory...perhaps the instrument lettering was just done with kindergarten crayons.

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RE: Name This...(314) - 2/18/2005 12:00:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dont know what that is outisde the left side of the cockpit in Subchaser's pic. It looks like a tool shed that his been hit by a typhoon, but might be some kind of engine cowling being worked on. It looks like polished aluminum

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