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AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/22/2005 1:18:15 PM   
Adam Parker


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Status: offline 		As can be seen playing the Soviet Tank rush scenario again but under 1.01 and not moving anything as the Soviets, the NATO AI still sends its HQ's into harms way. At this point of the game NATO had already suffered extensive loss to its armor so no sane commander would have sent its soft units into these locations - the Soviet positions were trully well-known.

Result - a NATO minor win this time because the AI didn't employ its C squadron - hence no additional sacrificial losses there. That's the actual improvement in AI play.

As Erik has posted, more work is now in progress on the AI so a little more patience is due.

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RE: AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/22/2005 4:28:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if the AI is rushing to attack in this scenario because there are 200 Victory Points in two of the Eastern most sectors?

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RE: AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/22/2005 5:07:51 PM   
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I wonder if the AI is rushing to attack in this scenario because there are 200 Victory Points in two of the Eastern most sectors?


Ey Cpt.!
I wonder the same. Note that in the patch, one of the scenarios for the brits is changed to avoid the AI charging relentlessly into the Pact forces.

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RE: AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/22/2005 5:09:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cpt. Canuck

I wonder if the AI is rushing to attack in this scenario because there are 200 Victory Points in two of the Eastern most sectors?


Most defintely. The AI wants the sector points as much as the WP. Some scenarios, if memory serves, are not straight forward defense or attack....I'm sure quite a few have points for both teams to gather. In fact, even if there aren't any sectors for NATO to gain points in the WP area, NATO may well still try and manouvre there because preventing WP forces getting points is also beneficial....

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RE: AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/22/2005 5:10:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good post Adam!
Would you comment on what are the areas in which you wish some improvements for the AI?

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RE: AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/22/2005 7:55:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cpt. Canuck

I wonder if the AI is rushing to attack in this scenario because there are 200 Victory Points in two of the Eastern most sectors?


Most defintely. The AI wants the sector points as much as the WP. Some scenarios, if memory serves, are not straight forward defense or attack....I'm sure quite a few have points for both teams to gather. In fact, even if there aren't any sectors for NATO to gain points in the WP area, NATO may well still try and manouvre there because preventing WP forces getting points is also beneficial....


Yup, so it may be a scenario design issue rather than an AI issue.

For that particular scenario, does it make sense to have the VPs over there for the Brits? The VPs should reflect the mission, no?

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RE: AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/22/2005 10:20:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Chelco,

Actually guys, in this case the issue is in the way the AI handles its HQ's. I've read that for morale purposes a player is advised to keep units well within 4km (8 squares) of his/her HQ's. The AI though seems to be attempting to keep its HQ's adjacent and then actually employing these HQ's in a line role.

As only true "Line" units - recon, inf, tank can secure and clear victory sectors, HQ's can't and the AI may simply be getting confused as to what HQ's were built for. You can see the HQ adjacent to the T80's in the north. In this square at least 6 British Challengers already lay burning at the time of entry. The HQ shouldn't have been there. The HQ to the south should at least be another 4 squares to the west for safety and performance. There's already a dead HQ somewhere in the middle

As for other improvements to AI play also witnessed, Gas was dropped, tank attacks were more deadly and artillery killed my "personal" (highest HQ). As mentioned to win, I'd now at least need to move some of my armor/inf into the victory sector itself.

I replayed the scen once again and this time moved my units. The Pact killed nearly every NATO unit on map in 4 turns and with approx 18 turns to go and NATO at 28% of its forces, turned the scen off. It was contrary to the victory conditions to have to chase NATO around an empty map to kill a further 8% and force an enemy resignation - my objective was to take and hold the city for future operations. But pressing "Proceed" for 18 more turns to bring the scen to a timed end, just offered tedium.

Could I suggest a "Voluntary Bring the Game to and End and Tally My Victory" button as in Civil War Generals 2? (NB: It took a patch in that game, to add that feature!)

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RE: AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/23/2005 4:24:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		We do have a way already to voluntarily end the game. Look under the File menu item for "End Game Now". It is disabled though for PBEM games because that would allow you to falsely end the game and browse the other side to discover all their secrets. I forget which of my nasty-minded playtesters came up with that exploit but it ruined one of my secret sure fire 'the developer always wins' tricks and I'm still upset.

I'll look at the other game balance issues that you describe too but to be honest it might take a little while now.

Thanks, Rob.

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RE: AI slight improvement with 1.01 - 2/23/2005 6:48:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just finished the Soviet Tank Rush as the British with the patch.

I was simultaneous pleased and horrified when "B" squadron ceased to exist when assualted (and I do mean assaulted) by the Soviet Mech Infantry Battalion and a Soviet Tank Battalion.

I still pulled off a decisive victory, but lost about 2-3 times the number of tanks as previously.

Good Job

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The HQ Rush - 2/23/2005 12:22:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok guys, here's v1.01 again playing the Tank Rush scenario as NATO vs Pact AI.

It's 11:15 and we can see the Soviets though with ample armor in this scenario, leading the way with an HQ. The NATO forces in the vicinity had already been spotted and combated by Pact armor which had since moved out of LOS, so this was no accidental HQ move - regardless we'd all agree no HQ should be so far in front!

One other anomally I've noticed is that when indirect fire targets an unseen hex and makes a hit, a KIA dialog and sound effect appears. This of course gives away the fact that a hidden enemy now exists in the hex.

Btw NATO seems very ready to pollute Germany with Chem as can be seen!




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RE: The HQ Rush - 2/23/2005 2:56:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Adam,

We're aware of the HQ issue and are looking at it for 1.02, along with other AI improvements. We are also aware that the particular Tank Rush scenario is one where the AI is doing worse than usual. 1.02 should bring some notable AI improvements.

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- Erik

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RE: The HQ Rush - 2/23/2005 7:03:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		regardless we'd all agree no HQ should be so far in front!

heh the AI has elan

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RE: The HQ Rush - 2/23/2005 9:30:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I too have replayed scenario #1 as Nato/WP since installing the patch. I got a good chuckle when i started seeing chemical clouds descending on my Nato forces. The Ai use of arty seems, IMO, seems much more "realistic" given the circumstances of this "fictional" engagement. I would say the Ai puts up a better fight now but, for any seasoned wargamer, you'll always come out ahead with time against a computer opponent. I really enjoy this title, there is alot under the hood to fiddle with yet it is easy enough to be real fun as well. Sure, as Adam stated, you can just hit "proceed" a bunch of times and see what your score is. I read about someone doing that in Korsun Pocket as well and it points out the fact that the Ai is designed to be "played" against and if you don't "play" (ie: don't move) you can't expect results that apply towards the overall fun factor of the game in question IMO.
I find it a blast to go out and meet the enemy, or setup ambush, and the reward of good strategizing is what gaming is all about. The fact that you can drop chemical weapons and nukes, for Christ's sake, makes it all the better. The changes this patch made are appreciated for the improvement in gameplay and the added ease to the interface (SOP) and i see great things for the future of FPG and beyond. If i could have one thing, and i know it's only a matter of time, i would like a much larger choice of unit icons. Removing the "generic" feel of them would be a huge addition not only to the replayability but to the general public (sales).

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