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Does WITP increase player's knowledge


1) Balikpapan
  68% (77)
2) Balikpakan
  7% (8)
3) Balipkapan
  7% (8)
4) Balipkakan
  1% (2)
5) No idea, but I know how to write "oil"
  15% (17)


Total Votes : 112
(last vote on : 3/2/2005 2:49:23 AM)
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Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/24/2005 11:56:59 PM   
mogami


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Just for fun

A poll labelled "Does WITP increase player's knowledge"

"Without checking the game, or a book, or this poll's results, what is
the right writing:

1) Balikpapan

2) Balikpakan

3) Balipkapan

4) Balipkakan

5) No idea, but I know how to write "oil"

"

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 12:00:58 AM   
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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 12:05:11 AM   
Tom Hunter


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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 12:17:52 AM   
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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 1:04:02 AM   
BraveHome


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Status: offline 		Actually, this beggars a discussion on the definitions of 'knowledge':

1. the fact or condition of knowing something

2. the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth through reasoning

#1 is the spelling of Balikpapan.

#2 is how its location/attributes influence a player's decisions (thus causing reflection on how it influenced RL decisions too).

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 1:09:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		If youi mean specifkly duz it help my noludg of how to spel forin names, shurr. I just think how Niihau or Lahaina R speld on the map and then I no I can safly exclude that from posibul kerrekt spellings

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 1:10:53 AM   
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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 1:16:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ih Fyuspel fanetikly, anativ english Peaker can rede it.

It sarder foryu if Englisciza lernd langwich.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 1:27:43 AM   
BraveHome


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Status: offline 		True, but you're not spelling phonetically

English is, in many linguists opinions, the most difficult major language in the world to learn as a foreign language. The reason is it is so irregular (spelling, grammar, pronunciation). I studied many languages in college (Russian major, Chinese/Arabic/Latin too) and they were a cakewalk compared with English.

So my hat's off to all non-native English speakers who can communicate in English (however they spell things).

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 1:32:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		(I was an English major leaning towards linguistics as an undergraduate).

English is really flexible. No real rules, not permanent ones anyway. So it keeps adapting and changing as either the world changes (with new technology words or careers) or the geography/culture chane (for example it went to Australia and became a language most other English Speakers can't understand at all. Something about surfing terms mixed in with how to cook seafood. And 400 words to describe a pint of beer).

That flexibility makes it irregular and hard to learn, but also gives it a power that is (one of) the things making it the, uh, "Lingua Franca" of the world.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 1:39:11 AM   
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If youi mean specifkly duz it help my noludg of how to spel forin names, shurr. I just think how Niihau or Lahaina R speld on the map and then I no I can safly exclude that from posibul kerrekt spellings


Candidate for the Brady reform school for wayward witpers

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 2:09:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Beezle

(I was an English major leaning towards linguistics as an undergraduate).

English is really flexible. No real rules, not permanent ones anyway. So it keeps adapting and changing as either the world changes (with new technology words or careers) or the geography/culture chane (for example it went to Australia and became a language most other English Speakers can't understand at all. Something about surfing terms mixed in with how to cook seafood. And 400 words to describe a pint of beer).

That flexibility makes it irregular and hard to learn, but also gives it a power that is (one of) the things making it the, uh, "Lingua Franca" of the world.


What you say is true (hell, you can speak English in any direction or collection of directions and be understood mainly--just try that with Spanish, for example), but don't forget the ecclectic nature of its native speakers, which is the primary reason the language has grown so fast and audaciously over the years. (Yes, thank you, France, for your s. )

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 2:13:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have a partner in our group who speaks "English" very differently than I do, in accent and in word usage. She is Indian. In my country (the US) and hers (India) English has been spoken there, for, what, 400 years+? Gradually going its own way a in Punjab and California

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 2:19:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

Actually, I cheated, I knew that one from the old Sega Genesis P.T.O. :)


You too huh? I loved that game. PTO II was a fun one too, and PTO 4 is an ok game, but there is a special place in my heart for the original.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 2:56:48 AM   
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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 3:23:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Beezle

We have a partner in our group who speaks "English" very differently than I do, in accent and in word usage. She is Indian. In my country (the US) and hers (India) English has been spoken there, for, what, 400 years+? Gradually going its own way a in Punjab and California


At least Californias can be understood (I married one). I need a translator to speak to most people from Lousiana, Texas, or Maine. The only words I can understand from them regard hot sauce, guns, or Lobsta', respectivly.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 3:28:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Beezle

We have a partner in our group who speaks "English" very differently than I do, in accent and in word usage. She is Indian. In my country (the US) and hers (India) English has been spoken there, for, what, 400 years+? Gradually going its own way a in Punjab and California


That's precisely what English does. It goes its own way, and more power to it for doing so!

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 4:17:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was at a convention in Atlanta last fall talking to an Indian woman who was looking for tea. She explained she favored it over coffee because "the English ruled our country for 150 years." "Ours too" I said.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 5:17:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

I was at a convention in Atlanta last fall talking to an Indian woman who was looking for tea. She explained she favored it over coffee because "the English ruled our country for 150 years." "Ours too" I said.


Excellent rejoinder!

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 5:31:09 AM   
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She explained she favored it over coffee because "the English ruled our country for 150 years."


Actually I think she had it backwards. Tea was in India before it was in Britain, right? (it came via Java). So the reason the _English_ prefer tea over coffee is that they ruled India for 150 years!

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 6:15:46 AM   
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To which I replied, "Suh! Mah country is still under occupation by a furrin' power!"

Of course, he had no clue as to what I was saying...

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 7:44:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great poll, but I actually knew this before WITP

Now when will you post that poll I suggested Mogami?

O.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 11:07:42 AM   
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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 12:20:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn

quote:

ORIGINAL: Beezle

We have a partner in our group who speaks "English" very differently than I do, in accent and in word usage. She is Indian. In my country (the US) and hers (India) English has been spoken there, for, what, 400 years+? Gradually going its own way a in Punjab and California


That's precisely what English does. It goes its own way, and more power to it for doing so!


The variation is accents is even wider in the UK, people from different towns can speak very differently I live a hour away from Birmingham, but sound nothing like a “Brummy” they have a very strong accents different pronunciation and saying/phrases. You can then go to Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle ect. they are dam near different languages!

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 12:47:41 PM   
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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 1:09:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BraveHome

True, but you're not spelling phonetically

English is, in many linguists opinions, the most difficult major language in the world to learn as a foreign language. The reason is it is so irregular (spelling, grammar, pronunciation). I studied many languages in college (Russian major, Chinese/Arabic/Latin too) and they were a cakewalk compared with English.

So my hat's off to all non-native English speakers who can communicate in English (however they spell things).


Do you really find English more difficult than Chinese ?

In Chinese (and many languages of the area, Thai and Vietnamese for example), most words are very short and have up to 5 to 7 meanings.
Example: "Han" may mean "house" (low tone), "dog" (middle tone), "to sleep" (high tone), "red curry rice with chicken" (rising tone), "f..k" (falling tone) or "fat" (rising then falling tone).
In every country I went I learned during the first days the basic words of everyday life (Hello, Thanks you, How do you do, Good bye, How much and so on) and it made life a lot easier (and people I met a lot friendlier) except in SE Asia, where I was never able to say anything correctly.

As for English, most non-native English speakers (me include) don't know and use grammar rules and pronunciations vary widly in the world. I travelled a lot and used English to communicate in Europe, N America, Asia and S America (and French in Africa) and had always to wait 1-2 days in every country before hearing correctly what people said when they spoke English.

Right now, there are 66 % of good answers in this poll. I think this is better than the average population.

Does anyone know if Ba....an is still a major oil center today ?

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 3:29:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

When visiting a ww2 site in France, I had a frenchman say to me, "You Americans don't understand what it's like to have a foreign power occupy your country."

To which I replied, "Suh! Mah country is still under occupation by a furrin' power!"

Of course, he had no clue as to what I was saying...


LOL. I agree.... Cain't lose what ain't over yet!

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 4:19:31 PM   
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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/25/2005 4:35:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Oleg I must have missed it or I would have posted it. What do you want?


This is the poll I had on mind, thanks:

Your policy regarding mods:

- I use only official 2by3 patches, no mods
- I use only graphical mods (maps, icons etc.) that do not affect the gameplay
- I use Andrew Brown map mod (and scenarios that go with it)
- I use one or more of the modded scenarios (Lemurs, Tanaka etc.) with modded OOBs, modded database etc. on regular game map
- I use (or plan to use) heavily modified stuff, like Lemurs scenario on Andrew Brown map

Vote and discuss.

Oleg

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/26/2005 5:33:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent
Do you really find English more difficult than Chinese ?

In Chinese (and many languages of the area, Thai and Vietnamese for example), most words are very short and have up to 5 to 7 meanings.
Example: "Han" may mean "house" (low tone), "dog" (middle tone), "to sleep" (high tone), "red curry rice with chicken" (rising tone), "f..k" (falling tone) or "fat" (rising then falling tone).
In every country I went I learned during the first days the basic words of everyday life (Hello, Thanks you, How do you do, Good bye, How much and so on) and it made life a lot easier (and people I met a lot friendlier) except in SE Asia, where I was never able to say anything correctly.

As for English, most non-native English speakers (me include) don't know and use grammar rules and pronunciations vary widly in the world. I travelled a lot and used English to communicate in Europe, N America, Asia and S America (and French in Africa) and had always to wait 1-2 days in every country before hearing correctly what people said when they spoke English.

I was not saying I found English more difficult (being a native speaker helps, sometimes ). I was referring to what my language professors were saying about teaching English to non-native speakers. And I should have been more specific about the Chinese, too -- I was referring to Mandarin (with its four basic and one neutral tone), not Cantonese (with its nine tones, nearly impossible for non-natives to speak well). Once you get used to the idea of the tone having as intimate a part of a word's meaning as consonants and syllables, it's not hard to progress in Mandarin. The reason it's considered 'easier' to learn to speak is there are few if any rules for grammar. No conjugations, no declensions, no 'tenses', no changes to words for being a verb, noun, adjective, adverb, etc.

The only difficulty occurs when you're in Taiwan in 1973 (during its martial law period), with a Chinese textbook printed in Mainland China. Then you have to do some pretty fast talking (in any language you can muster!) to avoid being thrown in jail by the local DA....

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