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references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 8:02:17 PM   
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Hello! I am looking for a book that could help me better understand aircraft and ships in the WW2 Pacific theater. Maybe some kind of encyclopedia, with pictures, specs, examples, etc.

I've search WitP forums for information and I have found this (Yamato Hugger seems to own and use it) :
Rand McNally Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft

Look like a good one. Is there any other ?
Is there any equivalent reference book for the navy ?

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 8:42:09 PM   
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Hello! I am looking for a book that could help me better understand aircraft and ships in the WW2 Pacific theater. Maybe some kind of encyclopedia, with pictures, specs, examples, etc.

I've search WitP forums for information and I have found this (Yamato Hugger seems to own and use it) :
Rand McNally Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft

Look like a good one. Is there any other ?
Is there any equivalent reference book for the navy ?




Just for ships, the best single reference I know of is Conway's All The World's Fighting Ships 1922-46 for the period covered by WitP--this will cost you about £40, though it might be available at a good library. I'd advise you to stay away from Jane's Fighting Ships of World War II as it's considerably inferior.

I don't own an encyclopedia for airplanes so I must pass on that. One caveat: there is also a Jane's Historic Military Aircraft Recognition Guide out there, and to judge from the user reviews I've read on Amazon I'd give that Jane's book a wide berth, too.

A couple of titles which have received favorable reviews on Amazon: Aircraft of WWII by Stewart Wilson; The Great Book of Fighters by William Green, Gordon Swanborough and Mike Spick.






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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 8:50:14 PM   
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There are quite a few available. And FYI, there tends to be a lot of "fudge factor" for even things as "factual" as what weapons were on what ships, or the top speed and alt of aircraft. The actual performance of aircraft, often varied wildly from the specs provided by the manufacturer (often made under ideal situation or unarmed or whatever). But even giving the manufacturer "data" a degree of skepticism, and putting emphasis on what was demonstrated in the field, leads to putting too much faith in the anecdotal evidence. Or even if you're looking for numbers on what ground units were committed where, again, the frequency of "2 companies of the 15th Div were detached and stationed at Lagapsi beach" or "a Btn was hastily formed from the remnants of 3 Commonwealth (Indian) Brigades was formed to provide a rear-guard as units continue to retreat to Singapore..."

We wary of any single source. The best you can do is grab a library of books that offer many differering points of view on the subject.

A what "level of detail" are you looking for? What is your pre-existing background knowledge?

If you don't know much about WW2 Pacific history, even the most basic of the "coffee table" books will be useful for you. While many of those folks that consider themselves amature historians would look on these with disdain, if you don't know difference between a Zero and Val, these books (that can often be found on the large tables in the center of Borders for about $20), are are quite useful. They give generic info on the various planes or ships or campaigns, whatever the book is about. They're loaded with illustrations, and summary data. Good to help you get acquainted with the subject. just consider the fact that these books are about "80% correct" (and very generalized), and should really only be used to get you -more- interested in the subject.

For "phase 2", you're looking at more in-depth books. This might be a single book on the Pilippines campaign. Or book on the specific battles and issues faced in the Solomons. Or a comparison of IJN vs. USN carriers and operations. These are a bit harder to find, as they tend to be a bit "niche" for Borders or your local bookstore. However, Amazon is great, you pretty much get anything you want off Amazon.

For "phase 3", it's really the highest level of acedemia and minutia of detail. These are books that you basically would never hear about, unless you contact a local university history dept. Or have access to "the stacks" or other dusty references at a well-stocked library. These tend to be papers/essays/books that are printed on a very specific subject. If you have access to some of the local (official) military museums or military bases, they often have useful reference material (which would otherwise be very boring to read, but is often availble if you ask the right people).

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 10:23:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn

Just for ships, the best single reference I know of is Conway's All The World's Fighting Ships 1922-46 for the period covered by WitP--this will cost you about £40, though it might be available at a good library. I'd advise you to stay away from Jane's Fighting Ships of World War II as it's considerably inferior.

I don't own an encyclopedia for airplanes so I must pass on that. One caveat: there is also a Jane's Historic Military Aircraft Recognition Guide out there, and to judge from the user reviews I've read on Amazon I'd give that Jane's book a wide berth, too.

A couple of titles which have received favorable reviews on Amazon: Aircraft of WWII by Stewart Wilson; The Great Book of Fighters by William Green, Gordon Swanborough and Mike Spick.



Thank you for the titles : I am writing that down and try to have a look at these. At least if I have some reference title, I can begin with something! (and skip the inferior one)

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 10:59:06 PM   
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jane's fighting ships of ww2 is indeed bad. Bought my copy when I was 17 or so and always regretted it. The book was written in 1945 or so when a lot of details about ships where still hazy, and NEVER has been updated. Es[esially the japanese and german sections are BAD.

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 11:14:48 PM   
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Be careful. You are about to find out the true costs of WITP! The cost of the game is the least expense you will pay. I just go another $300 shipment of books from AMazon this weekend including Kaigun by David C. Evans and Mark R. Peattie and A Battle History of the Imperial Navy by Paul S. Dull.

This topic has come up in at least two other threads that I know of. MAybe one of the Moderators can make a section just for reference materials and we can post our favorite books and opinions on them. Also favorite websites and other sources.

It might be a good idea for other Historical Matrix games too since I have Korsun and BiN and have bought books about them too.

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 11:15:11 PM   
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Ahhh... but that's the level of information that most of those in the US armed forces had on the Japanese ships. If you're trying to maintain a historical feel to your game, you could do worse than to use Jane's for giving you information on your enemy's ships...

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 11:17:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Feinder
A what "level of detail" are you looking for? What is your pre-existing background knowledge?


Well, I know something about WW2, but mostly from europe theater. Beside WitP, the only game I've play from the pacific theater is 'Carrier at War' from SSG. I've always been interested in Navy stuff. But I don't know a lot yet about Pacific. I am currently play scenario 15, and I am learning well.

Well, I'd like to find a kind of guide with possible usage and loadout and upgrades of most aircrafts. With some pictures also.

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If you don't know much about WW2 Pacific history, even the most basic of the "coffee table" books will be useful for you. While many of those folks that consider themselves amature historians would look on these with disdain, if you don't know difference between a Zero and Val, these books (that can often be found on the large tables in the center of Borders for about $20), are are quite useful.


I am still almost at this level : so a 'coffee table book' may be a nice start.

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For "phase 2", you're looking at more in-depth books.


But at the same time, I'd read some campains : I've read several books about mainly East-Front.

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For "phase 3", it's really the highest level of acedemia and minutia of detail.

But the phase 3 will have to wait!

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 11:27:24 PM   
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American Warplanes of WWII. A great compilation with lots of info on variants and exports. It certainly doesn't cover ALL the bases, but what is in there is comprehensive and well done. There are two companion books also edited by David Donald on the Brits and the Luftwaffe. ISBN 0-7607-2274-9


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1880588218/qid=/sr=/ref=cm_lm_asin/103-3849062-2936639?v=glance

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 11:38:30 PM   
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When I gave a friend of mine UV for Christmas a couple of years ago, I also game him a book I found at Barnes & Noble: "An Encyclopaedia of Weapons of World War II" Unfortunately, his girlfriend convinced him that playing games was a waste of time (so I guess that the purchases were a waste of my money...).

I don't recall the publisher, but the book gave decent information on all types of weapons for all the major combattants; ships, planes, armour, artillery, rifles, etc.

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/28/2005 11:46:19 PM   
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This is a good one.

History of U.S. Naval Operations in World War II
by Samuel Eliot Morison

It's like 14 Volumes. My brother (Knavey) has it. I've stolen a couple of volumes. It's fairly well done. I'd give it a "Phase 2" rating. It was written in 1962. The set is is basically the "official history of WW2 for the US Navy." It has a good level of detail. It's one of those things were the author had many references still recently available, and at the same time, -does- reflect some of the bias of "we got off to a rocky start, but still kicked their ass"). Overall, an excellent read however (and no, I haven't read them all, and doubt Knavey has either).

A website with many books listed (can't vouch for all their quality, but still useful).
Public Archive of Resources Also many of the books have been transcribed as internet links.

More than enough to keep your reading for months...



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RE: references : advice needed - 3/29/2005 12:14:39 AM   
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Great! With all of this I'll be setup.

I think that with games like WitP, all time put on this can't be lost. It's kinda useful in life as well. (the fact that I like history may help). It's possible to speak with friends about situation, how,etc, without them knowing anything about WitP. There's so much to learn. Hey for exmaple today, I was speaking with my Indian co-worker : I ask him: Please tell me about Chandpur. He was almost at a loss to see that someone not Indian may know something about India..

Thank you all again for answers, greatly appreciated.

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/29/2005 2:22:15 AM   
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FLEETS OF WORLD WAR II!
FLEETS OF WORLD WAR II!
I'M NOT SHOUTING!
Conway's gives lots of statistics and dates. FLEETS gives you the real-world assessment of what the ships and the navies did well/poorly. It also contrasts with Conway's in price. I sell autographed copies for twenty bucks. If anyone's interested, send a note to my screen name @att.net.
For Japanese aircraft, I like Francillon's Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War. Several good aircraft books have been named. I'll add America's Hundred-Thousand by Dean which focuses on fighters.

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RE: references : advice needed - 3/29/2005 6:11:51 AM   
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If you want to know the nuts and bolts of putting the marines on an atoll with LVT vehicles, get "Across the Reef" by Victor J Croizat, isbn0-7137-1894-3. This has a great appendix showing which USMC (and US army) battalions used which version of the LVT & LVT(A) at which landings. Eg the 708th Amphibian tank battalion, US Army, was equipped on 15 June 1944 with 16 LVT(A)4, 52 LVT)A)1, 3 LVT(2), and 1 LVT4.

Why do we want to know this? So we can complain that the unit is missing from the Mariana's scenario.

Two very readable general histories are "The Eagle and the Sun" by Ronald H Spectre, isbn 0-14-008142-9, and John Costello, "The Pacific War 1941-1945". isbn 0-688-01620-0





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