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I gotta have this tank! - 5/2/2005 1:59:44 PM   
markhwalker


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Status: offline 		OKay, everyone. Here's your chance. What WW2 era tank MUST we put in Band of Heroes? I don't care if it was in Normandy or not. I must, however, be German or American.

Sound off! Here's your chance to contrbute a counter.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/2/2005 5:13:49 PM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/2/2005 6:01:55 PM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/2/2005 8:48:40 PM   
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Michel Wittman's Tiger Tank '007'.

Could even design scenarios around this tank.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/2/2005 10:06:54 PM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/2/2005 11:00:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just because I'm stuck in the 1920's thanks to War Plan Orange, how about the French Renault FT-17s captured by the Germans, and used as artillery tractors and scout vehicles.

Or, to be just as crazy, the US Heavy Tank M6. Nothing cooler than a 76mm Gun and a coax 37mm.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/3/2005 1:50:08 AM   
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There were no Tiger, Panther or Pz IV tanks on the Contentain Peninsula at D-Day

Wittman was killed near Villers Bocage some 40k away. And some 6 weeks after D-Day

On the Contentain Peninsula, the Germans had some captured light French tanks they were using for training and keeping the French population in check. The 101st faced some of these.

After the capture of Carentan they faced larger vehicles such as Stugs.


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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/3/2005 2:48:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mark said he doesnt care whether its in Normandy or not.

Im sure there will be historical scenarios and non historical.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/3/2005 5:14:26 AM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/3/2005 4:10:01 PM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/3/2005 5:02:27 PM   
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This was one of the more specialized German AFV and only 306 vehicles of this type were manufactured during the war.

From the beginning of the war German infantry regiments had a infantry gun company to provide fire support. There were two types of infantry guns, the 7,5 cm le.IG and the 15 cm s.IG. The larger of these was difficult to handle in the terrain and this problem was of course even more serious for the infantry units among the panzer divisions. To remedy this problem the Germans introduced a succession of lightly armoured vehicles carrying the 15 cm s.IG. These were built on the chassis of the Pz.Kpf.Wg. I, Pz.Kpf.Wg. II and the Pz.Kpf.Wg. 38 (t). The thin armour and open top made it impossible to use these vehicles in close quarters or expose them to enemy AT guns.

The Stu.Pz. IV was a departure from this line of vehicles. It was built on the Pz.Kpf.Wg. IV chassis and the armour was thick.

During the battle at Kursk in July 1943 the vehicle mad its combat debut, when the216. Stu.Pz.Abt. fouht with 9. Armee. The only unit equipped with the StuPz IV in Normandy was the 217. Stu.Pz.Abt. It employed between 16 and 28 Stu.Pz. IV.

The main advantage the model enjoyed was of course the large high explosive shell that was very effective against infantry targets. On the other hand, the very low muzzle velocity made it almost useless against enemy tanks.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/3/2005 9:21:20 PM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/3/2005 9:34:02 PM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/3/2005 10:34:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Two tanks which primary role was to support infantry AFAIK :

German : Panzer IV-E, with the short 75L/24 gun. Because I like the shape !
US : M4A3E8 Sherman, Easy Eight. Because of the cool nickname

But these are obvious choices already in the game I guess.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/4/2005 1:21:53 PM   
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now honestly. A STUG-IIIg although not historical would be great.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/5/2005 6:14:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is a tough one, and I keep checking this thread and thinking about it. I would tend to agree with Marc about the Stug, and maybe add any version of Marder series SP gun. I am hoping for an infantry centered game, so anything super heavy isn't of as much interest to me.

Also any captured French tanks would be nice-like a Pzkampfwagen 35S 739(f)...

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/6/2005 1:17:08 PM   
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quote:

Michel Wittman's Tiger Tank '007'.

Could even design scenarios around this tank.


Yeah, but he was only a hero because he was fighting Brits. The Americans would have cleaned his clock.

Right, Joe... you may not have had time to read the first post. I said any tank. I already have the actual tanks --which were VERY few for the Germans StuG IIIg, PZ IIIJ, Marder I, PzKpfw 35-S... Americans... M4A1, M4105, M-10, M5A1, Jeep. I'm just thinking of adding something for fun. For example, a Tiger I and and Easy Eight so I can throw in a Kelly's Heroes scenario. Just for giggles.

Yeah, I have thought of adding a Priest M7, but I don't think they were used much in direct support. The Leopard is a cool thought, but if I was going to do that, I think I'd put in a MadCat, which would truly be interesting.

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Mark

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/6/2005 3:22:43 PM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/8/2005 12:42:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		No comments on the MadCat? Gee, there must not be any BattleTech fans here.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/8/2005 7:44:37 PM   
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No comments on the MadCat? Gee, there must not be any BattleTech fans here.

Best,
Mark


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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/10/2005 12:04:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, the chingun would be so awesome. I remember in Mechcommander I was one of the few lucky ones that captured that MadCat in the third mission (or whatever) it completely ruled. Gauss Rifles would also be a nice weapon, but I don't think that I've ever seen those on a MadCat.

All kidding aside, I may just throw in a Battlemech to spice things up. I wrote the rules for them long ago. It's an easy adaptation for LnL.

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Mark

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/10/2005 2:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, the B config of the Timber Wolf does sport a Gauss Rifle
And there are a few BT fans around, in the Titans of Steel forum.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/11/2005 4:34:03 PM   
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Please sound off. Make me a Battlemech. What exactly did the B congif MadCat have?

And would anyone REALLY mind a battlemech in the WW2 game?

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Mark

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/11/2005 5:16:15 PM   
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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/12/2005 1:39:57 PM   
Thorgrim

 

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Iceman,

Please sound off.


What do you mean, sound off?

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Make me a Battlemech. What exactly did the B congif MadCat have?


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And would anyone REALLY mind a battlemech in the WW2 game?


Hmm, not if it is on your side I guess.
It'd pretty much level all the opposition. Other than that, can't see why would anyone mind.


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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/12/2005 3:11:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: markhwalker
And would anyone REALLY mind a battlemech in the WW2 game?


Will that be in addition to or instead of my Pershing?

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/12/2005 4:04:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I don't know if it would level all the opposition. 'Mechs, or CATs (Chassis Assault Terran) as they are called in the LnL universe, are very big targets. They have tough armor, but their weponry is really no better than a tank's... there is just more of it.

And, Erik... no Pershings! There weren't any in Normandy. Uh, wait, that's right. There weren't any CATs either, were there?

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Mark

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/12/2005 4:05:11 PM   
Erik Rutins

 

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Status: offline 		What about an Ogre / Bolo then? I'd like to see the size of that counter...

Actually, scratch that. Include a Martian Walker from War of the Worlds.

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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/12/2005 5:48:28 PM   
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Well, I don't know if it would level all the opposition. 'Mechs, or CATs (Chassis Assault Terran) as they are called in the LnL universe, are very big targets. They have tough armor, but their weponry is really no better than a tank's... there is just more of it.


Huh, XX century weapons do little to nothing to a 'Mech's armor. CATs, not sure how you'll implement "'Mechs" in the XX century, the technology available just doesn't make them viable.


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RE: I gotta have this tank! - 5/12/2005 6:02:55 PM   
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Are the discussion of battletech and units from other futuristic fighting forces (FFF) teasers as to your next project?

Or are you quietly doing a consumer test to see if there is a viable market for a FFF game? :)

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