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Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 7:26:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am a little confused. Just noticed that there are US airborne squads but no IJA airborne squads in the Device Database. The IJA Para Regiment template consist of device #264 IJA infantry squad and device #267 IJA Engineer squad. Does this mean that these and all IJA infantry squads and engineer squads are para capable? What about SNLF squads are they para capable as well? Or am I missing something? Thanks in advance for any clarification.
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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 8:34:52 AM   
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I am a little confused. Just noticed that there are US airborne squads but no IJA airborne squads in the Device Database. The IJA Para Regiment template consist of device #264 IJA infantry squad and device #267 IJA Engineer squad. Does this mean that these and all IJA infantry squads and engineer squads are para capable? What about SNLF squads are they para capable as well? Or am I missing something? Thanks in advance for any clarification.


Outside my area of expertise but I believe that Airborne Capable is a function of the unit and not the squads that comprise the unit.

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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 12:23:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, you can get the IJA paras to jump out of perfectly good airplanes, so the types of squads in the unit apparently doesn't matter.

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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 1:53:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I found the following unverified tidbits of information on Japanese paratrooper activity.

"1) Celebes Island [NEI] Menado-Kema area [target Langoan Airfield]; IJN 1 Yokosuka SNLF (Air) [CO Cdr Toyoaki Horiuchi]; 334 men were dropped from G3M1-L transport aircraft on 11 Jan 42 and 185 more paratroops on 12 Jan 42.
2) Sumatra Island [NEI] Palembang area [target Palembang 1 Airfield]; IJA 2 Parachute Regiment of 1 Parachute Brigade [CO Col Seiichi Kume]; 360 paratroops were dropped from Ki-56 and Ki-57 transport aircraft on 14 Jan 42 and 100 more men on the next day.
3) Timor Island [NEI] Dili-Koepang area [target Penfoei Airfield]; IJN 3 Yokosuka SNLF (Air) [CO Lt Cdr Koichi Fukumi]; 308 paratroops were dropped from G3M1-L planes on 20 Feb 42 and 323 more on the next day. Seizing of Timor was the first combined paratroop and amphibious operation in the history of warfare. IJN marines and IJA amphibious units also took part in this operation. Additionally participating forces were covered by F1M2 floatplanes from the seaplane carrier MIZUHO.
All three paratroop operations carried out in the beginning of the war were successful.
4) Leyte Island [the Philippine Islands] [target network of airfields seized by US forces]; IJA 3 Parachute Regiment - Katori Shimpei Force [CO Lt Col Tsunehiro Shirai]; 409 paratroops were dropped on 6 Dec 44 from Ki-57 planes. Operation WA ended in disaster as IJA paratroops were not able to hold their initial gains and were wiped out by overwhelming US forces.
As an appendix we could add commando [teishin I suppose] operations.
On the night of 24/25 May 45 9 Ki-II-b of IJAAF 3 Dokuritsu Hikotai [stripped of all armament] with commandos aboard from Giretsu-tai were sent against US-held Yontan Airfield [Okinawa Island]; only one had plane reached the target and 12 commandos it was carrying were able to destroy 7 US planes and damage 26 more. Large supplies of fuel and ammo were also destroyed. All Japanese were killed. What a contrast to the operation of Navy PO Satoru Ono of 15 Kokutai from 18 Jul 38 in Nanchang. He was able to land on the airfield, set Chinese planes on fire and return safely to base. But we can not compare formidable American units with poorly led and equipped Chinese.
The last operation was mentioned by Katsuhiro Uchida - Tsurugi in his excellent posting. On 9 and 10 Aug 45 US carrier planes had destroyed almost 200 planes and thus prevented the Japanese from carrying out of Operation Tsurugi - commando raid on Marianas."

http://www.j-aircraft.com/faq/japanese_paratroop_operations_in.htm


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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 3:32:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TIMJOT

I am a little confused. Just noticed that there are US airborne squads but no IJA airborne squads in the Device Database. The IJA Para Regiment template consist of device #264 IJA infantry squad and device #267 IJA Engineer squad. Does this mean that these and all IJA infantry squads and engineer squads are para capable? What about SNLF squads are they para capable as well? Or am I missing something? Thanks in advance for any clarification.


Outside my area of expertise but I believe that Airborne Capable is a function of the unit and not the squads that comprise the unit.


Corrrect Don, The air cpable (Paratroop) designation is for the unit not the squads and equipment that make it up, this attribute is defined in the data base. This value can not be changed in the editor that shipped with the game it requires a editor we used during developement, however there is a way to change the value using Michaels Wiptload utility.

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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 3:34:42 PM   
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Outside my area of expertise but I believe that Airborne Capable is a function of the unit and not the squads that comprise the unit.


Thats just it, I cant find a para unit type designation in the database. US and Japan para units in the game are simply listed as infantry type unit. I guess my question is if I want to create some additional para units ( specifically SNLFs paras ) what makes a para unit a para unit? Do those generic para unit templates in the database have some hidden hardcoded capability? If I copy one and add some SNLF squads will the unit be para cabable? I suppose I can test this but if any editor experts out there can enlighten me it would be much appreciated.

Thanks

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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 3:38:12 PM   
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Corrrect Don, The air cpable (Paratroop) designation is for the unit not the squads and equipment that make it up, this attribute is defined in the data base. This value can not be changed in the editor that shipped with the game it requires a editor we used during developement, however there is a way to change the value using Michaels Wiptload utility.



Hello Pry, Thanks for the info, but where exactly is the para attribute defined in the database. Can I create additional para units by copying the generic unit type and adding any any squads I choose?

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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 3:45:09 PM   
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Corrrect Don, The air cpable (Paratroop) designation is for the unit not the squads and equipment that make it up, this attribute is defined in the data base. This value can not be changed in the editor that shipped with the game it requires a editor we used during developement, however there is a way to change the value using Michaels Wiptload utility.



Hello Pry, Thanks for the info, but where exactly is the para attribute defined in the database. Can I create additional para units by copying the generic unit type and adding any any squads I choose?


Hi Tim,
The attribute was hidden in the editor that shipped with the game so you can not create a new unit, however you should be able to copy a existing unit (The Para attribute is embedded in the unit) and change squads as you wish and it should work. If not let me know and I can "edit" the value for you.

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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 3:53:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Pry, I just PM you but you answered my questions. I will let you know if it works

Thanks again.

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RE: Japanese Paratroops - 5/15/2005 4:25:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The "paratroop" attribute is stored in the _sym field of the locations table. This was posted some time ago by Mike Wood.

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