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Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than Sta... - 5/16/2005 6:30:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, this has almost nothing to do with WITP, except that I suspect that many fans of naval/air combat are also fans of "Star Wars." Anyway, today's NY Times has a very favorable review of "Star Wars Episode III - Revenge of the Sith." It's "by far the best film in the more recent rilgoy, and also the best of the four episodes Mr. Lucas has directed." Yes, "it's better than Star Wars."

The reviewer likes the story a lot, and says "the inverted chronology" of the six movies "turns out to be the most profound thing about the 'Star Wars' epic." The films "reveal the cyclical naturae of history." It is a "measure of the film's accomplishment" that the fall of Anakin is "genuinely upsetting, even if we are reminded that a measure of redemption lies over the horizon in "Return of the Jedi."

The reviewer doesn't say it's perfect. "Mr. Lucas's indifference to two fairly important aspects of moviemaking -- acting and writing -- is remarkable." The acting is uneven; Christensen and Portman may be better than in the previous movies but still lack the "range" required of their parts, but on the other hand Jackson, McGregor, Smits, Oz, and especially McDiarmid do a very good job. As for writing, Lucas "is not one to imply a theme if he can stuff it into a character's mouth." Still, the reviewer finds the dialogue and acting here much improved over the first two. And it's easy to forget that the acting in Star Wars itself wasn't always first-rate either. ("Have you been in many battles?" And remember the line about power converters.)

Anyway, a surprisingly enthusiastic review from a newspaper that's not easy to please. Sounds like a not-to-be-missed final installment of Star Wars. If indeed it is final.

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:38:14 PM   
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JARJAR was really annoying and the movie was a bit of an anticlimax, (pod racing excluded). The second movie was much better than the first, and as far as I have seen the movie trailers of part 3, that will be great. “RISE, DARTH VADER”.

Going to see it with some mates on Thursday…….


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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:38:43 PM   
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Anyway, a surprisingly enthusiastic review from a newspaper that's not easy to please. Sounds like a not-to-be-missed final installment of Star Wars. If indeed it is final.


Originally, after Star Wars (the first movie, now episode 4) came out and was a success, Lucas said that it was to be a 9 part series, with episodes 7-9 talking about the eventual liberation of the robots, iirc (although i am not sure that was the main theme of the last 3). A friend made a big deal over the fact the only characters in all 9 episodes would be R2D2 and C3PO.

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:40:41 PM   
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That alone is worth the price

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:42:19 PM   
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The saving grace to this one is that EVIL WINS!!!!



Finally!

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:45:35 PM   
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The saving grace to this one is that EVIL WINS!!!!

That alone is worth the price


Does that mean the Japs can win in WitP too???

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:47:38 PM   
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Later, a defeated Yoda sighs: "Into exile I must go." You half-expect him to be followed by six other dwarves chanting, "Hi ho, hi ho / Into exile we will go . . . "

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/611ajqxt.asp

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:52:41 PM   
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Yoda has just returned from a diplomatic mission to a planet inhabited by bipedal gorillas because, as he explains in the rounded tones of an opponent of the John Bolton nomination, "Good relations with the Wookiees I have."
Later, a defeated Yoda sighs: "Into exile I must go." You half-expect him to be followed by six other dwarves chanting, "Hi ho, hi ho / Into exile we will go . . . "






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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:58:45 PM   
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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 6:59:18 PM   
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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:05:38 PM   
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You half-expect him to be followed by six other dwarves chanting, "Hi ho, hi ho / Into exile we will go . . . "


You need warnings on posts like that "Put down your drink before reading further!"

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:06:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

The saving grace to this one is that EVIL WINS!!!!



And he didn't need 4:1 odds to do it either......




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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:08:59 PM   
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Annoyingly i'm on holiday from when it's released (this Thursday) for a week and a half!

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:10:00 PM   
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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:11:39 PM   
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The saving grace to this one is that EVIL WINS!!!!



And he didn't need 4:1 odds to do it either......





Surely the film is biased then?

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:12:38 PM   
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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:14:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Speedy


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ORIGINAL: Nikademus


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The saving grace to this one is that EVIL WINS!!!!



And he didn't need 4:1 odds to do it either......





Surely the film is biased then?



Lucas is obviously a dark-side fanboy.

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:16:56 PM   
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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:18:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

The saving grace to this one is that EVIL WINS!!!!



And he didn't need 4:1 odds to do it either......





Surely the film is biased then?



Lucas is obviously a dark-side fanboy.


I think he gives Tie's a 60 year fighting bonus

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:41:15 PM   
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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 7:44:33 PM   
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Sorry, your gonna have to get a second source to confirm what came from the NY Times...

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 8:00:40 PM   
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I bet the writer of the article didn't even see the movie...

Sorry, your gonna have to get a second source to confirm what came from the NY Times...


Yeah, 60 Minutes will probably be featuring it...

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 9:20:51 PM   
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Sorry, your gonna have to get a second source to confirm what came from the NY Times...


Newsweek perhaps?

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/16/2005 9:22:29 PM   
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Sorry, your gonna have to get a second source to confirm what came from the NY Times...


Newsweek perhaps?


I don't know weather to laugh or groan....

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/17/2005 12:13:00 AM   
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(yes, sir Organa your royal highness, I don't know how, but Vader just appeared on our ship's bridge, just as Executor SSD bought the farm...)

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/17/2005 12:41:15 AM   
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Just because a team is ahead at half-time doesn't mean they win the game....

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/17/2005 1:57:22 AM   
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Anyway, a surprisingly enthusiastic review from a newspaper that's not easy to please. Sounds like a not-to-be-missed final installment of Star Wars. If indeed it is final.


Originally, after Star Wars (the first movie, now episode 4) came out and was a success, Lucas said that it was to be a 9 part series, with episodes 7-9 talking about the eventual liberation of the robots, iirc (although i am not sure that was the main theme of the last 3). A friend made a big deal over the fact the only characters in all 9 episodes would be R2D2 and C3PO.



Actually that's "almost" spot on the facts.. "almost".

The original "intent" was for Lucas to have worked on Ep's 1-3 during the late 80's-early 90s while the cast from Ep 4-6 got a bit older. Once Eps 1-3 were done and released, he'd rejoin us with the cast of the first three movies in their new roles in the "New Republic" and the rebirth of the Jedi Knights and we'd get episodes 7-9 coming out now rather then the first trilogy.

In effect what Lucas did was he sold the book rights to the last three episodes to Timothy Zahn and other writers to fill in those story gaps. Primarily because 3 cast members swore up and down they'd have nothing more to do with another Star Wars movie. Alec Guiness, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fischer told Lucas to go fly a kite... Alec Guiness being the most vocal about it before he ultimately passed away.

SO that's the back-story on what ever happened to Episodes 7-9. You can find them, fractured that they are at your local book store. As for the first three we're seeing now? I've always loved the potential of them just like any other good bit of sci-fi, but I marvel at how awful Lucas is at directing young actors. Portman and Christianson are actually really good at what they do. Sad really, but I think all in all I'll enjoy the "completion" of this series. On one hand so I can see Lucas either quietly retire or just go back to doing special effects (something he's good at). And on the other hand so certain questions about how this story links to Episode 4 can be answered.

Things like... Will Padmae live, and if so, in what way does she become close to Bail Organa (played by Jimmy Smits)?

Or just as curiously, how does he explain away his one "gaff" he made by bringing the droids back to Luke's habitat on Tatooine in Episode 2? He acknowledged that was an opps he'd probably have to explain with a memory wipe or something...

That's just a few... Case you wondered, yes, I'm a Star Wars fan... Primarily though because I love how well Lucas built the story. That all along, the real bad guy wasn't Darth Vader, but that it was the Emperor and his machiavalian plans to rule the galaxy. Something he pulled of quite admirably...

Now he gets 30 plus years of ruling everything in sight and eating popcorn while his storm troopers take over the whole galaxy.

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/17/2005 2:13:43 AM   
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The reviewer doesn't say it's perfect. "Mr. Lucas's indifference to two fairly important aspects of moviemaking -- acting and writing -- is remarkable."


Yeah, acting and writing sure can help. Imagine that, The Times critic so blown away by the spectacle of it all that he overlooks a sure fire way to grump his way to an "Eh....." review.

Anyway, I still can't wait to see this movie. Wait till the boss finds out why I wont be at work Friday........



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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/23/2005 3:56:46 AM   
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I thought it was the best Star Wars movie since "The Empire Strikes Back."

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RE: Off-topic: NY Times says Episode III is better than... - 5/23/2005 4:03:47 AM   
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I couldnt belive what he did in the temple, I didnt think lucas had the balls for something like that.

Great movie

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