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WitP going global? - 5/27/2005 11:16:20 PM

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I don't read this forum very often, but on the WiF forum someone hinted at a global version of WitP. Are there plans for expanding to a global WWII game?

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/27/2005 11:28:26 PM

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The whole world....

With 60 mile hexes?

Imagine the German turn for the Invasion of France and even worse Operation Barbarossa

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I wouldnt mind having a European version of WITP, but the Ground combat would need a major overhaul, and well, im having more than enough fun with WITP.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/27/2005 11:37:39 PM

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I don't read this forum very often, but on the WiF forum someone hinted at a global version of WitP. Are there plans for expanding to a global WWII game?

This game system is deader than a doornail. With all the problems WitP presented (some apparently insoluble), a proposed game on the Mediterranean campaign in WWII was sh1tcanned, then the announcement was made that, from now on, 2by3 will be exploring other territory, with their "flagship" system being the engine behind GGWaW.

I can't say I'm disappointed any more. I have faced the reality of the situation. I have already tossed UV, and after I get my fill of the current round of PBEM games I have going in WitP, I will likely not be playing it again, either. Too much is wrong, left to accident, and just plain outside the bounds of what I expect from a simulation of war in this theater.

Unless and until someone comes up with a better game, I'll be going back to the cardboard-and-paper games, both the oldies-but-goodies and some exciting new titles by Decision Games and some others.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/28/2005 4:20:08 AM

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What? Go back to CRT's, stacking limits and written combat restrictions, and dice?

That's ancient history! Computer wargaming has gone "The Age Of Empires" route. Unlimited stacking of every unit available. Undocumented features. Being told you're a butt weasel for using AK's in amph ops, (which is why the IJN can mount Normandy invasions for a year or more, thus allowing impossible operations with relative ease).
If you're not suppose to use them that way, then why did the designers allow it?

Aside from these anomalies WITP is a great game! It's just not historical.

By the way. Where are my chariots?

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/28/2005 6:03:01 AM

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Aside from these anomalies WITP is a great game!

Yeah. Great.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/28/2005 6:14:37 AM

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Aside from these anomalies WITP is a great game!

Yeah. Great.

Obviously, he was an......

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/28/2005 6:47:53 AM

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Being told you're a butt weasel for using AK's in amph ops, (which is why the IJN can mount Normandy invasions for a year or more, thus allowing impossible operations with relative ease).
If you're not suppose to use them that way, then why did the designers allow it?

Aside from these anomalies WITP is a great game! It's just not historical.

By the way. Where are my chariots?

...BWAHAHAHAHA

what is the arrival date for the chariots? I plan on using those, along with
catapults & boiling oil when i assault Japan. All of these will come ashore from AK's, of course

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/28/2005 6:57:28 AM

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Ahhh, yes...Those inscrutable Japanese.................

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/28/2005 7:10:01 AM

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i never realized that using AK's in invasion fleets was such a big deal. have i had my head buried in the sand for a year or something?

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/28/2005 7:16:33 AM

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Ahhh, yes...Those inscrutable Japanese.................

If they were inscrutable, there wouldn't be so many of them, would there?

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/30/2005 9:11:02 PM

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Don't you mean 'unscrewable" ?

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/30/2005 9:46:01 PM

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Unless and until someone comes up with a better game, I'll be going back to the cardboard-and-paper games, both the oldies-but-goodies and some exciting new titles by Decision Games and some others.

Yes, at times I like to wax poetic about the great board games that I have played over the last 35 years. They all seem bigger than life to me now.

Then I remember the utter nightmare of coming into the game room only to discover that the fu*king cat had gotten in and slept on the table again!There is no going back.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 2:52:48 AM

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 2:56:01 AM

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Don't you mean 'unscrewable" ?

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Thanks for explaining the point of my joke to me.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 3:12:52 AM

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Yes, at times I like to wax poetic about the great board games that I have played over the last 35 years. They all seem bigger than life to me now.

Then I remember the utter nightmare of coming into the game room only to discover that the fu*king cat had gotten in and slept on the table again!There is no going back.

There are 14 of us idiots here where I live who formed a wargaming club about eight years ago. We have several computers (not including the ones we have at home) and a large collection of boardgames we play and continue to buy titles for all the time. Our annual budget for new purchases is now $1,500 (we exert a kind of communal ownership over, and responsibility for, what the club has bought).

Computer wargames had their heyday with us, and we thought UV and its progeny were going to be just what we wanted. We were disappointed. As we learn more about what has been published in recent times (including UV, WitP, and other Matrix products, I'm afraid), we have discovered the paltry efforts that have been made in decent historical simulation and the huge limitations imposed by a designer community that has made no breakthroughs of any kind that would improve the quality of their wargaming products.

We see computer wargaming as it currently presents itself to us as a dead end. We have come to appreciate the quality of boardgames and to understand that the real advances in our hobby are being made by publishers like GMT, Decision Games, Avalanche Press, and a few others.

There are a lot of exciting paper-and-cardboard titles, both new and old, that command most of our attention these days. We try to play stuff like WitP, but come away disappointed every time.

Our attitude: show us something worth buying and playing, and we will buy it and play it. We have no built-in prejudices for or against computer wargames, but we feel like, as consumers, we are where the rubber meets the road. If you can't give us something better than a Firestone Self-Destructo Tire, go away. We've got plenty of good stuff to enjoy, and we will continue to support boardgame publishers who are doing it and doing it right.

I have been authorized by unanimous vote of our club to make this statement.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 3:22:17 AM

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Can't we all just get along?

If people want to play board wargames and are really into it, then more power to them. I could personally never get into the boardgaming, but that had more to do with problems finding opponents.

I do not, however, accept that people who like WitP for what it is (and say so), should be ridiculed, or have hammered into their skulls 651 times what a bad game WitP is. Of course the game has flaws, lots of them in fact; I spent a lot of time in the past couple of turns in my scenario 15 game against the Japanese AI taking care of disappearing Allied ship captains and wondering when the TF's fleeing the DEI to Darwin would unstick from the waters around Timor and actually arrive at their destination.

It's still a good game, and the elitists need to take a pill and realize that they aren't alone around here!

Oh, and Pasternaksi? "Communal Ownership"? Sounds suspiciously pinko-commie! You guys have a five-year plan too?

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 3:37:04 AM

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If some people didn't get to spend hours and hours in these forums telling us all how bad the Matrix games are (and how ignorant we are not to see it too) they wouldn't have a fraction of their total postings

Now, if I was still into board gaming so much, I guess I would spend my time gaming and not on here griping about how computer games are so horrible. Oh yea, and I guess I'd have to get rid of my cat.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 3:39:29 AM

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We should probably run away now, before HIS IMPERIAL MAJESTY Pasternaksi hears us...

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 3:46:13 AM

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Good advice! I've seen him when he gets a bit riled up

As for me, I just got done patching all of the WiTP map segments together into a single giant reference map. I intend to print it out as a wall map on the HP Plotter at work later this week. The jpeg version is about an 80 meg file.

I had been looking for a large reference map and didn't realize how easy it would be to assemble the pieces in the WiTP graphics folder into the map I needed. Now I can track my favorite AAR's more easily and even drop in a layer in Photoshop and draw in unit positions.

Happy Memorial Day!

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 5:15:59 AM

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If some people didn't get to spend hours and hours in these forums telling us all how bad the Matrix games are (and how ignorant we are not to see it too) they wouldn't have a fraction of their total postings

Now, if I was still into board gaming so much, I guess I would spend my time gaming and not on here griping about how computer games are so horrible. Oh yea, and I guess I'd have to get rid of my cat.

Cats are the most unhistorical feature of boardgames, I learned it since War in Europe times

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 5:57:01 AM

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Good advice! I've seen him when he gets a bit riled up

So, now are the two of you going off to play snugglebunnies, nestle like spoons, pull out his joystick, and play your favorite computer wargame, "Whakski the Pasternakski"?

The reason I comment, for those who actually read my posts instead of treating me the way white women always did before I figured out what it was I hated about white women (including white men who might as well be white women), is that I would like to buy and play computer wargames that are competently designed and FUN.

Without having to put up with public giggling at my expense behind my back while I'm watching ... or something ... and, Rhonda, you haven't "seen" me ... or are you likely to ...

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 6:33:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Good advice! I've seen him when he gets a bit riled up

So, now are the two of you going off to play snugglebunnies, nestle like spoons, pull out his joystick, and play your favorite computer wargame, "Whakski the Pasternakski"?

The reason I comment, for those who actually read my posts instead of treating me the way white women always did before I figured out what it was I hated about white women (including white men who might as well be white women), is that I would like to buy and play computer wargames that are competently designed and FUN.

Without having to put up with public giggling at my expense behind my back while I'm watching ... or something ... and, Rhonda, you haven't "seen" me ... or are you likely to ...

Pasternakski...I failed to elicit a response on another thread..Your e-mail is "hidden".
I would like to ask you a question ref a possible link in our mutual past.(Long past)...
My e-mail is not hidden.We are both currently on line..Gimme a hit..Bob

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 7:09:22 AM

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Ah, another Moby Dick thread.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 8:42:03 AM

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Ah, another Moby Dick thread.

Hey - penicillin cleared that up for me a long time ago.

It's the grape nuts that worry me now...

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 11:26:22 AM

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The reason I comment, for those who actually read my posts instead of treating me the way white women always did before I figured out what it was I hated about white women (including white men who might as well be white women), is that I would like to buy and play computer wargames that are competently designed and FUN.

The problem is that I DO read your posts; or did, until I discovered that you're rerunning the same basic one...

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 6:47:33 PM

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It is good that you have a wargamer's club with the money and facilities to enjoy good board wargames. Most of us are not so wonderfully endowed, and so have had to make our decisions based upon what works in our lives. While WITP has its flaws, I have a chance of completing a full campaign in WITP, whereas if I were to set up USN or Victory Game's WITP I would probably get no more than a week or month into the game before it either: a) became destroyed by Typhoon Kitty or b) I became bored with having to play (and thus know the strategy for) both sides. WITP is the best computer Pacific War game going, and so it will continue to be the game that I will play more than any other. I can accept its flaws, just like I accepted the flaws in many board games, because I enjoy playing it. I'm sorry that it didn't turn out the way you wanted, Past, but I refuse to feel mentally inferior because I enjoy WITP.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 7:07:23 PM

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Hi, I began on boardgames and moved to computers as soon as I discovered SSI. SPI had been taken over by TSR and switched to making D&D games over wargames.
I have not played a boardgame since I bought my Commodore 64.
I loved boardgames but I can't see ever going back to them. Everygame I liked now has a computer game on the subject that is easier to play.
Things I have never encountered in computer games that I did experiance with boardgames.

1. Opponents starting fist fights over die rolls.
2. the "Obvious blunder rule"
3. Cats (or babies or dogs or gusts of wind, spilled beers, maps catching on fire???)
4. I can't find the "Akagi" counter
5. "WTF does rule 168.5.63.61 mean exactly? With WITP at least you can go ask the designer
6. "I wish I could find someone to play"
7. "There is no room for these maps"
8. "OK I need this room, pick up that game you can set it up again tomorrow"
9. "Screw you it's my game and I quit"
10. "You moved that stack" "No I didn't I just picked it up to count factors it was in that hex, see it can reach this hex and put you out of supply" "No it can't because it was 1 hex back you moved it already"

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 7:32:34 PM

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So, now are the two of you going off to play snugglebunnies, nestle like spoons, pull out his joystick, and play your favorite computer wargame, "Whakski the Pasternakski"?

hands off! she's mine! LOL

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 8:45:23 PM

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Sorry dude, I thought it was a typo.

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RE: WitP going global? - 5/31/2005 8:55:08 PM

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Hi, I began on boardgames and moved to computers as soon as I discovered SSI. SPI had been taken over by TSR and switched to making D&D games over wargames.
I have not played a boardgame since I bought my Commodore 64.
I loved boardgames but I can't see ever going back to them. Everygame I liked now has a computer game on the subject that is easier to play.
Things I have never encountered in computer games that I did experiance with boardgames.

1. Opponents starting fist fights over die rolls.
2. the "Obvious blunder rule"
3. Cats (or babies or dogs or gusts of wind, spilled beers, maps catching on fire???)
4. I can't find the "Akagi" counter
5. "WTF does rule 168.5.63.61 mean exactly? With WITP at least you can go ask the designer
6. "I wish I could find someone to play"
7. "There is no room for these maps"
8. "OK I need this room, pick up that game you can set it up again tomorrow"
9. "Screw you it's my game and I quit"
10. "You moved that stack" "No I didn't I just picked it up to count factors it was in that hex, see it can reach this hex and put you out of supply" "No it can't because it was 1 hex back you moved it already"

Uhhhh Mog....You forgot:#11. "Hey,what are you doing with that fine-point marking pen?"
and #12. "What's that over there!?"(pointing at the corner in the basement).

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