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Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/10/2005 10:08:34 AM   
Rowly


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Status: offline 		For many years I have been hoping for a game that re creates the table top battles my friend and I used to play. The total war series came closest but there always seems to be a lack of control at the battle stage. I recently purchased Imperial Glory, hoping it would be an improvement on previous games but I was wrong. There is a frantic deployment, units finish a deployment/engagement and mill around in the last facing. As the controller/general I can't be everywhere at once! If the Ai on my side had Sgts, Captains and so on, who thought for themselves, great, but they don't.

This brings me to IGOUGO or IGOWEGO games. I like the Close combat games but sadly there are no Napoleonic era games.

I would love to find a game on the scale of the Total War/Risk board game (grand strategy) but with the option of fighting the battles when there is an engagement. All this with sumptuous graphics. I have the Tin Soldiers demo of Alexander and I'm impressed.

Will CoG be everything I'm looking for?
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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/10/2005 9:05:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The main problem for me, is that IG is an arcade simulator game of the napoleonic wars. In my opinion is a bad game, because some basic things which must be included in a good tactical game, such as morale, effects of the skill and atributes of the leaders, and other more accurate aspects, like units with a less morale when they are flanked (for example) in this game dont exist.

IG is a good graphic game, but a ghastly tactical simulator game.

I hope Crown of glory, will be a deep and entertaining game about napoleonics wars, with a deeper and more interasting tactical battles. :)

see you ;)

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/11/2005 1:37:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would not drop a penny on IG when this game and Empire in Arms is waiting in the wings...with both games I think you will be well satisfied for quite awhile...of course, being patient for thier release is a completely different matter....

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/12/2005 1:44:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL...i think Imperial Glory is much better than RTW and enjoy it immensely. It has a great Strategic campaign and the battles are great fun in a beautiful, graphically impressive, arcadey kind of way.
To compare COG and IG is like comparing an imported aged French Brie(cheese) with a slice of Kraft.

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/12/2005 4:48:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		And don't forget Les Grognards, stated over at the wargamer.com as the best napoleonic game ever. lol We shall see.

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/12/2005 12:44:54 PM   
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Les Grognards


Tha game of Histwar? But It hasnt released yet... it has?



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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/13/2005 1:13:27 AM   
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imported aged French Brie(cheese) with a slice of Kraft


Which one is the Kraft and which the Brie. in your opinion?

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/15/2005 9:57:21 PM   
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Kraft isn't cheese - it's cheese food

whatever the hell that is :)

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/15/2005 10:30:36 PM   
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imported aged French Brie(cheese) with a slice of Kraft


Which one is the Kraft and which the Brie. in your opinion?

IG would be Kraft: useful and satisfying when you're hungry. COG: Elegant and more refined...with a more Worldly stature.

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/15/2005 10:34:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: carnifex

apples and oranges

Kraft isn't cheese - it's cheese food

whatever the hell that is :)
Exactly, Imperial Glory isn't a true historical Napoleonic grand strategy game either but it sure beats the hell outa two slices of toasted bread without the "cheese".


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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/15/2005 11:19:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rowly

For many years I have been hoping for a game that re creates the table top battles my friend and I used to play. The total war series came closest but there always seems to be a lack of control at the battle stage. I recently purchased Imperial Glory, hoping it would be an improvement on previous games but I was wrong. There is a frantic deployment, units finish a deployment/engagement and mill around in the last facing. As the controller/general I can't be everywhere at once! If the Ai on my side had Sgts, Captains and so on, who thought for themselves, great, but they don't.



I has been tried before, although not by Imperial Glory (which to be fair should be judged according to what it attempts to be - which isn't the game you suggest).

In particular I recall an Amiga game called Napoleon; the Campaigns 1805-1814 (was that a Frank Hunter game?) which was actually rather good - except for one scenario that was completely bugged (this was in the days before downloadable patches, remember). More recently there was Napoleon 1813 which looked as if it had it all, which it pretty much did except that it was single-player only. Which wouldn't have been so bad if the AI wasn't the worst I have ever come across. In my first game, I won playing France despite not bothering with such trivia as recruiting more troops. Putting that down to the fact that it was on "easy", I put the difficulty up to max and won my second game. Having noted a whole AI Prussian Corps wandering up and down the same 50km of road for a whole game year (completely undisturbed by the fact I had sent Davout via that same road to capture Berlin!), I gave up. A shame really, one of the devs turned up on the board to apologise, explain it had been kicked out the door months early and the whole dev team made redundant.


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Will CoG be everything I'm looking for?


I really hope so.


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I have the Tin Soldiers demo of Alexander and I'm impressed.


Go buy it to play while waiting for CoG then. Both Tin Soldiers games are great fun.



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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/21/2005 2:48:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about Europa Universalis? One of the scenarios is Napoleon's Ambition. The game, along with the very scenario, came closest to providing me with the kind of fun I could find playing EIA while I found it difficult to assemble 6 more pple for that long-lasting game play of that wonderful board game.


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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/22/2005 12:15:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHellPatrol


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ORIGINAL: Zap

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imported aged French Brie(cheese) with a slice of Kraft


Which one is the Kraft and which the Brie. in your opinion?

IG would be Kraft: useful and satisfying when you're hungry. COG: Elegant and more refined...with a more Worldly stature.


So CoG will be runny and mouldy around the edges? Hmm... ;)

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 2:51:46 AM   
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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 7:00:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm having great fun with Imperial Glory, but I'm also looking forward to Crown of Glory. They look like essentially different games to me.

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 10:03:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me IG was much better and immersive than RTW or any other total war series
In battles, you might not experience 'war game' feel (lack of morale, lack of detailed control etc) but it is damn fun
and I always thought that war is a hell, not a very carefully manipulated simulation.
Even in IG, troops retreat when they suffered enough




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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 10:04:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		BTW, is this new game use wego system?
I like we go rather than traditional turn based game

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 10:59:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hertston

I has been tried before, although not by Imperial Glory (which to be fair should be judged according to what it attempts to be - which isn't the game you suggest).



Imperial Glory attempts to be shameless copy of Total War series with Nappy flavor, and it fails miserably *even* on that account, and even knowing I wasn't all that pleased by Rome: Total war to start with. Still, RTW is much much better than IG on nearly all accounts.

(That it fails as "realistic" Napoleonic wargame is already obvious, but I agree it never even attempted to be one.)

O.


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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 11:04:12 AM   
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If you have missed HPS Waterloo then you gotta take a look. Its sex on a disk!!!!

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 5:27:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

Imperial Glory attempts to be shameless copy of Total War series with Nappy flavor, and it fails miserably *even* on that account, and even knowing I wasn't all that pleased by Rome: Total war to start with. Still, RTW is much much better than IG on nearly all accounts.

(That it fails as "realistic" Napoleonic wargame is already obvious, but I agree it never even attempted to be one.)

O.



It's a matter of taste, I guess. I think IG is a much better game than RTW. And a very good game in its own right. It has a much better campaign than RTW and I find the battles more interesting and challenging. Although there are several mods that greatly improve RTW (and a Napoleonic mod is in the works), vanilla RTW, with its screeching women, broken naval battles and generally brain-dead AI, was a big step backward in the series.

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 6:01:28 PM   
Erik Rutins

 

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Status: offline 		IG is fun - I'd rather not make comparisons of whether one is better than the other, since that's very subjective. CoG is also a lot of fun and is entirely turn-based and more detailed. To answer the previous question, yes it is "WEGO" or simultaneous orders and simultaneous execution.

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 7:37:02 PM   
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It's a matter of taste, I guess. I think IG is a much better game than RTW. And a very good game in its own right.
Welcome to the Matrix forums Queeg, i am sure you will find everything you are looking for with Crown Of Glory. You don't know me, but i have had the pleasure of reading your posts in the IG forum and always appreciated your observations and reflections on Imperial Glory. I don't subscribe to their forum, or many others for that matter, but since you are here...Welcome! You might come across another familiar name here at Matrix: Mr. Frag...he is an important VIP at the War in the Pacific forums and apparently appreciates Napoleonic Era games as well.
IG is a great game and i have enjoyed it immensely, but my summer will be spent with COG as i was lucky enough to beta-test it and i probably can't say much more...so...you came to the right place, keep your eyes peeled.


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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 7:41:29 PM   
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Guys,

If you have missed HPS Waterloo then you gotta take a look. Its sex on a disk!!!!



Hmmm..Waterloo or my Amber Lynn disk tonight....decisions, decisions, decisions...

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 7:44:34 PM   
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Hmmm..Waterloo or my Amber Lynn disk tonight....decisions, decisions, decisions...

Oh, good god man! She's probably collecting social security by now...you need to do some shopping


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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 7:49:11 PM   
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Hmmm..Waterloo or my Amber Lynn disk tonight....decisions, decisions, decisions...

Oh, good god man! She's probably collecting social security by now...you need to do some shopping



LOL...on DVD they never age..............

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/23/2005 8:34:40 PM   
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Welcome to the Matrix forums Queeg, i am sure you will find everything you are looking for with Crown Of Glory. You don't know me, but i have had the pleasure of reading your posts in the IG forum and always appreciated your observations and reflections on Imperial Glory. I don't subscribe to their forum, or many others for that matter, but since you are here...Welcome! You might come across another familiar name here at Matrix: Mr. Frag...he is an important VIP at the War in the Pacific forums and apparently appreciates Napoleonic Era games as well.
IG is a great game and i have enjoyed it immensely, but my summer will be spent with COG as i was lucky enough to beta-test it and i probably can't say much more...so...you came to the right place, keep your eyes peeled.



Good to be aboard. I'm a long-time lurker here.

I do enjoy IG for what it is. Like all games, it has its strengths and weaknesses, but I find it great fun on balance. No use lamenting what a game isn't, if what it is is fun.

Crown of Glory looks to be much of what IG isn't. And that looks fun, too.

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/25/2005 7:35:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with ya! IG is more of a Market game. It'll get kids interested in history(maybe) but it is not history or even military history. But it is "fun" to play.
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ORIGINAL: Queeg

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ORIGINAL: TheHellPatrol

Welcome to the Matrix forums Queeg, i am sure you will find everything you are looking for with Crown Of Glory. You don't know me, but i have had the pleasure of reading your posts in the IG forum and always appreciated your observations and reflections on Imperial Glory. I don't subscribe to their forum, or many others for that matter, but since you are here...Welcome! You might come across another familiar name here at Matrix: Mr. Frag...he is an important VIP at the War in the Pacific forums and apparently appreciates Napoleonic Era games as well.
IG is a great game and i have enjoyed it immensely, but my summer will be spent with COG as i was lucky enough to beta-test it and i probably can't say much more...so...you came to the right place, keep your eyes peeled.



Good to be aboard. I'm a long-time lurker here.

I do enjoy IG for what it is. Like all games, it has its strengths and weaknesses, but I find it great fun on balance. No use lamenting what a game isn't, if what it is is fun.

Crown of Glory looks to be much of what IG isn't. And that looks fun, too.



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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/26/2005 1:17:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Everything in CoG looks absolutely stunning: the graphics, the depth, the gameplay...

My only concern so far would be the casualty results I have seen in some of the battles. One side takes NO casualties while the other side suffers something like 30,000 casualties.

It seems like an "all or nothing" consequence of battle.

Surely, even 10,000 routing soldiers firing blindly in all directions are bound to kill at least one enemy soldier...

This reminds me too much of the lop-sided land battles in UV...

Any comments?


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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/26/2005 1:53:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: J P Falcon
Eric, regarding the casuality reports....what type of battle is it that can result in one side receiving 5560 casualties and the other side 0?..I've heard of routs, but this?.....


Not 100% sure as I didn't watch that one, but... if one side was of particularly low morale/supply and was quickly routed at the start of the engagement, the casualties could have been incurred during the rout/pursuit rather than in "normal" battle. Also, forces cut off from LOS/LOC have a greater chance to surrender, which could have caused something like that.

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RE: Will this be the game Imperial Glory isn't. - 6/26/2005 1:59:00 AM   
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Everything in CoG looks absolutely stunning: the graphics, the depth, the gameplay...

My only concern so far would be the casualty results I have seen in some of the battles. One side takes NO casualties while the other side suffers something like 30,000 casualties.

It seems like an "all or nothing" consequence of battle.

Surely, even 10,000 routing soldiers firing blindly in all directions are bound to kill at least one enemy soldier...

This reminds me too much of the lop-sided land battles in UV...

Any comments?


It's not a problem, keep in mind you're getting glimpses of the game. In actual play I have never had a bloodless battle where both sides fought and there wasn't some kind of surrender.

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