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Creating a small scenario question - 5/13/2005 6:48:47 PM   
scout1


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Status: offline 		Question for the guys who have been creating/modding scenarios. If I want to create a small scenario on a limited map with a limited number of units/bases,

can I eliminate all the other "unused" entries within the database. If not using carriers, do they need to still be in there ? Or will this do something bad that confuses the code ?
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RE: Creating a small scenario question - 5/20/2005 5:42:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		-Better not to eliminate them. For ships you can only place the number 9999 in the arrival date and the ship won´t arrive. Deleting devices can change the order of some hardcoded devices, so you should avoid doing this. Deleting ships or sqadrons also changes the number used to place those ships, sqadrons in their places and will force you to review all data. If you want to delete something, you should do it manually, deleting field by field, which is counterproductive.
-Btw: What scenario do you want to create?

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RE: Creating a small scenario question - 5/21/2005 2:34:12 AM   
scout1


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Status: offline 		Not a scenario for competitive play, but rather a series of small test cases to examine different items. Such as port attack, ASW, airfield attack, production, etc ..... Would be single turns to collect data on how the spread of results is. Could do it with the bid map and all the units, but the game time is alot shorter with a limited scenario.
Apollo set up some for a port attack, and I;ll likely just morph that into different cases.
Just was curious if I could make the turns run even faster and extraction of the database a little cleaner with few items. No big deal. Once extracted, I can always sort, manipulate and then unsort and re-import.

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RE: Creating a small scenario question - 5/21/2005 6:28:11 PM   
Bombur

 

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Status: offline 		-Will you post your test results?

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RE: Creating a small scenario question - 5/23/2005 8:52:21 AM   
scout1


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Will you post your test results?


Yes, that is my intent, not to mention the test scenario files as well, though each will likely have a unique twist of variables to examine. This one is likely to take awhile....

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RE: Creating a small scenario question - 6/21/2005 3:49:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I too want to try to create some small/limited scenarios to try to test out different aspects of the game that don't seem to be particularly clear. Having (quickly) read through the pdf file on the editors - they don't seem to make much sense. I tried loading scenario 15 and cutting down the size of the "board", however, even though i have tried saving the cut-down scenario, it seems to disappear (not there when i come back) and the scenario created sort of locks up towards the end.

Is there any easy to understand set of instructions about how to make scenarios? Most of the instructions in the pdf file deal with the database editor (which i guess means the individual units) - how do you get individual SHIPS to start at a particular base? How do you get the scenario to save?

Thanks

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RE: Creating a small scenario question - 6/21/2005 4:14:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zeroguy

I too want to try to create some small/limited scenarios to try to test out different aspects of the game that don't seem to be particularly clear. Having (quickly) read through the pdf file on the editors - they don't seem to make much sense. I tried loading scenario 15 and cutting down the size of the "board", however, even though i have tried saving the cut-down scenario, it seems to disappear (not there when i come back) and the scenario created sort of locks up towards the end.

Is there any easy to understand set of instructions about how to make scenarios? Most of the instructions in the pdf file deal with the database editor (which i guess means the individual units) - how do you get individual SHIPS to start at a particular base? How do you get the scenario to save?

Thanks


zeroguy,

The main thing to remember is that the scenario and database editors need to be used together. To get started on a new scenario try the following steps:
Scenario Editor
1) Launch the scenario editor and open the scenario you wish to edit.
2) Without making any changes, save the scenario to a open slot. Do not forget to name the scenario! You may need to scroll down or maximise the save window.
Database Editor
1) Launch the data editor and open the same scenario you opened with the scenario editor.
2) Without making any changes, save the scenario database to the same slot that you used when saving the scenario data.

Now you can start editing you scenario. At this point I highly recommend michealm's witpload utility. It can extract all of the scenario database into a .csv file format that can be opened by almost any spreadsheet program. You can find the latest version of it a Spooky's site at http://mathubert.free.fr/
To see the diffences between a full map scenario and a limited map scenario. I suggest you compare scenario 15 and scenario 4 using the scenario editor.

To get a unit (Ship, Air Group, LCU or TF) to appear on the map at a certain location at the start of the scenario, the following conditions must be met using the database editor.
1)Delay: Must be set to a date of a least one day before the scenario start date. If it is the same as the scenario start date the unit will arrive at the end of the turn during the reinforcement phase.
2)Location: The location must be set to a valid base or Hex if a TF, one that is part of the limited map.
Note 1: For ships and air groups there is a pair of radio buttons to the right of the location pull down list. For ships they are base and TF, for air groups they are base and ship. Depending on which one is selected determines what options appear on the location pull down list.
Note 2: Any units that you do not want to include in the scenario should have their delay set to 9999. Doing it that way is better than deleting it, that way if you want to put it back in, you can always go back and change the delay.

I hope the above helps.

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RE: Creating a small scenario question - 6/21/2005 11:15:50 PM   
zeroguy


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Status: offline 		tanjman:

Thanx a bunch!! I do appreciate it. I am going to try this out now.

Thanx again!

zeroguy*

*(referring to my recent forum message count - not intended as a fanboy statement!)

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