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P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/1/2005 9:21:21 PM   
11Bravo


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Status: offline 		I have 3 good experienced airgroups flying the P-40B (guess which ones) and they need more fast!. I have only 6 in the pool and the replacement rate is 10 per whatever. Meanwhile, back at the PH Ranch, I got 2 inexperienced airgroups doing nothing and sitting on 77 of the rare and wonderful P-40B. Compounding my problem is 5 airgroups with P-36A Mohawks flying over rear bases. As you know, the Mohawk upgrades to the rare and wonderful P-40B. On top of all that, I have 0 as in bingo P-40E in the pool, although the replacement rate on those is 40 per whatever.

I can live with the temporary shortage of P-40E's. What can I do to get more P-40B's?



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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/1/2005 9:24:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn on player defined upgrades and then chop and change them as you please. Outside that I dont know.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/1/2005 9:25:14 PM   
Mike Solli


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Can you "upgrade" the inexperienced P-40B with something like the P-36? If so, do that and, voila, you have replacement P-40Bs.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/1/2005 9:27:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Make sure replacements are turned off for the P40B formations you want to upgrade. Divide them if you can so they can be upgraded in piece meal fashion as P40Es are available.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/1/2005 9:35:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		You cannot get more production. The only way you can get more is if you have the units equipped with P-40B's upgraded to another plane. Is it possible to upgrade/change the planes for any of those units (easier if you're using player defined upgrades)? Here are some other suggestions.

1) Turn off upgrades on all units that are set to upgrade to P-40B's. You will have Mohawks flying for a long time. Get used to it!
2) Try to limit the amount of combat for the units that you are concerned about. Maybe rotate them to a back area for a while.
3) Stand down the units at PH that have P-40B's. This will prevent operational losses. Of course, if you have a visitor then you'll be screwed!
4) An alternative to #3 is to reduce the CAP % for the PH units.
5) Have a friend email you some.

By the way, once you upgrade to P-40E's you will have the same problem with them all over the Pacific. Most people keep one or more units with B models while upgrading the rest to E models. That way you get 10+40 production, instead of just 40. Only after the N model becomes available does the shortage start to ease up (several months after), and that's only because you have E models still available.

Good luck.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/1/2005 9:49:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		can't you disband or withdraw the PH P-40B units and the planes will return to the pool for use by the AVG? or maybe divide the PH units and disband parts of them?

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/1/2005 10:06:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		You need to turn off replacements for all those P-40B sqdns, and "do not upgrade" for the P-36 sqdns, on the first turn.

I keep only one group in P-40Bs (AVG, because they need the range in China/Burma). The rest you eventually sent to AVG, and dispand/withdraw them, so that AVG gets the planes.

You should actually keep the P-36s (no upgrade). P36 upgrade to 40B, which upgrade to 40E.

You're going to be short on 40Bs -AND- 40Es.

Except for the range, the P-36 doesn't suck. And soon enough, you'll NEED those P-36 sqdns to augment your fighter strength (as you 40B and 40E pool will always be nil once you get into heavy air-to-air with Zeros). The P-36 can fair as well as the P-40s as point defense fighters, and frankly you don't have much choice but to use them.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/1/2005 11:40:17 PM   
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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/2/2005 12:15:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also turn off the replacements for the P 40Es. You should build up enough to upgrade one Squadron of P 40Bs in 2-3 weeks freeing up the P 40Bs for the AVG. You have to manage the allied fighter pool very carefully. Especially in pre 1.5 games, but even afterwards as you cannot tap the huge Wildcat pool for Army squadrons.

Like Feinder I like to leave the AVG flying P 40Bs so I'd 'upgrade' one of the PH squadrons to get some P 40Bs in the pool.

The allies suffer from fighter shortages throughout 1942 (and possibly beyond). I struggle to keep any reserve of P 40b, P 40E or Kittyhawk Is if I'm taking on a Japanese air offensive. But it's worth it unless you are getting heavily beaten. You are eroding his pilot pool and that should pay big dividends later on.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/2/2005 3:29:08 AM   
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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/3/2005 5:07:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		As most have said, turn off automatic upgrades but be carefull about computer controlled areas. Even though you have turn off automatic upgrades, any air unit controlled by these areas WILL still upgrade. You can turn the individual air unit to human control.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/3/2005 6:04:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The "B" only has 1 advantage over the "E". Range. You need range for 2 things: escort, and long range CAP. Long range CAP is only useful to cover convoys (can put fighters at a base needing CAP) and wont be long before you dont have any more ships in harms way. That leaves bomber escort at long range. I must assume that you are still early on in the war. Any serious bombing you do at long range early on is going to be met by Zeros. This means you only really need 1 group with the P-40B.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/3/2005 6:18:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

The "B" only has 1 advantage over the "E". Range. You need range for 2 things: escort, and long range CAP. Long range CAP is only useful to cover convoys (can put fighters at a base needing CAP) and wont be long before you dont have any more ships in harms way. That leaves bomber escort at long range. I must assume that you are still early on in the war. Any serious bombing you do at long range early on is going to be met by Zeros. This means you only really need 1 group with the P-40B.



Well you can also fly long range cap over a friendly base or ground unit in China to surprise the Japanese, thus the AVG is perfect in that role. Keeps them in the rear out of range of most airbase attacks but allows them to really cause the Japanese some major heartburn.

In one PBEM game I'm playing, I let the Japanese settle into a training routine over the units east of Hanoi. After a while the AVG finally flew and we shot down well over 20 planes. Shifted them and did it again later at another hex for another 20+ in the bag.

Long range is deadly in China.

Of course my opponent got very mad and chased them out of China eventually (only a dozen or so planes left now) by committing massive numbers of zeros to the theatre. But it was fun while it lasted.

Jim


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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/4/2005 12:33:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

The "B" only has 1 advantage over the "E". Range. You need range for 2 things: escort, and long range CAP. Long range CAP is only useful to cover convoys (can put fighters at a base needing CAP) and wont be long before you dont have any more ships in harms way. That leaves bomber escort at long range. I must assume that you are still early on in the war. Any serious bombing you do at long range early on is going to be met by Zeros. This means you only really need 1 group with the P-40B.



Well you can also fly long range cap over a friendly base or ground unit in China to surprise the Japanese, thus the AVG is perfect in that role. Keeps them in the rear out of range of most airbase attacks but allows them to really cause the Japanese some major heartburn.

In one PBEM game I'm playing, I let the Japanese settle into a training routine over the units east of Hanoi. After a while the AVG finally flew and we shot down well over 20 planes. Shifted them and did it again later at another hex for another 20+ in the bag.

Long range is deadly in China.

Of course my opponent got very mad and chased them out of China eventually (only a dozen or so planes left now) by committing massive numbers of zeros to the theatre. But it was fun while it lasted.

Jim



Hehe, I love it. But thats what I said, you only need 1 group equipped with the "B". And truthfully, I prefer the AVG to have the added firepower and speed of the "E". Personal taste.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/4/2005 1:48:45 PM   
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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/4/2005 3:24:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The AVG starts the war in Mandalay with 60 ready, 19 damaged, 72 max A/C in scen 16 ver 1.6

I used mine to help defend Singapore in the dark days, then rebuilt for half a year in the rear, now they LRCAP en masse various favorite Jap bombing targets to attrite Zeros. (Small Hurricane II point defense lures small Zero escort which meets huge allied point defense with LRCAP)Soon they will escort massixe daylight bombing of Rangoon. I figure I will need 36 in the pool for that first raid.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/4/2005 3:39:20 PM   
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Thanks.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/4/2005 5:38:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		P-40B has 2 advantages over P-40E, range and climb rate. Latter is important when "climbing to intercept". I use P-40Bs with AVG and where I need long range escorts for bomber raids. Even though P-40E has bigger gun value, I think B is better plane overall in game. Just cannot afford to have many units with it. Anyhow, P-38G is even better...

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/5/2005 2:22:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

P-40B has 2 advantages over P-40E, range and climb rate. Latter is important when "climbing to intercept". I use P-40Bs with AVG and where I need long range escorts for bomber raids. Even though P-40E has bigger gun value, I think B is better plane overall in game. Just cannot afford to have many units with it. Anyhow, P-38G is even better...


Ive never had a problem with the "E" getting to altitude in time. I suppose if the bombers were comming in at 30,000 feet it might matter, but that being the case the tons on target would be near zero anyways, so no matter.

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RE: P-40B shortage causing Major Heartburn - 7/5/2005 2:36:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ive never had a problem with the "E" getting to altitude in time. I suppose if the bombers were comming in at 30,000 feet it might matter, but that being the case the tons on target would be near zero anyways, so no matter.


I bet that having radar at base helps a lot, advance warning and all. Might be sometimes an issue to Japanese, but their planes usually have good climb rate.

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