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Corps armies & Divisions - 7/5/2005 2:19:10 PM

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Exactly how many divisions can you place in a corps and an army, and how many corps can you place in an army? The manual doesn't explain this.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/5/2005 2:59:00 PM

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If i remember well (i have read it in the manual or in one of Raleigh tips), 6 division in a Army/Corps, and 6 Corps in an Army

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/5/2005 4:08:27 PM

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France also gets a bonus of +1, I believe, to those numbers.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/5/2005 4:09:57 PM

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It's actually scenario dependent, but most of the time:

A corps can have 6 divisions, an army can have 18 divisions total, but only 8 things directly attached.
For France in most scenarios these values are raised to 7 and 20 respectively.

Fleets can have 12 ships; for Britain this is raised to 15.

There is also a Corps System upgrade available that increases corps size by +1.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/5/2005 4:25:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ericbabe

It's actually scenario dependent, but most of the time:

A corps can have 6 divisions, an army can have 18 divisions total, but only 8 things directly attached.
For France in most scenarios these values are raised to 7 and 20 respectively.

Fleets can have 12 ships; for Britain this is raised to 15.

There is also a Corps System upgrade available that increases corps size by +1.

So does that mean I can have 3 corps with 6 divisions with a leader attach to corps + 1 for the army in each army?

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/5/2005 4:36:28 PM

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Leaders should be free and not count against attachment limits, so if I understand then yes.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/5/2005 6:54:23 PM

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But you might find that you can't add the third 6 division corps to the army. Take one division out, add the corps, then put the division back into the corps (which is now within the army). Already logged as a bug - its a boundary thing.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/8/2005 5:26:35 PM

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But you might find that you can't add the third 6 division corps to the army. Take one division out, add the corps, then put the division back into the corps (which is now within the army). Already logged as a bug - its a boundary thing.

I am having this same issue atm. I cannot for the life of me add a third corps to either of my two armies. Just so I understand, the division I am to remove, that is to be taken from the third corps I wish to add? Then I add the third corps back into the army, minus the 6th divison, and then I add the divison back into the corps?

I believe I have tried your suggestion just as I described it and it still won't work

What, if anything, am I doing wrong?

Any help would be most greatly appreciated

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/8/2005 5:29:38 PM

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The issue is how many corps involved in total? Drop the number to 17 (whether in the joining third corps, the other 2 corps or directly in the army, it doesn't matter). Add the corps. Now add the 18th division.
OK?

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/8/2005 6:05:20 PM

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dpazuk
The issue is how many corps involved in total? Drop the number to 17 (whether in the joining third corps, the other 2 corps or directly in the army, it doesn't matter). Add the corps. Now add the 18th division.
OK?

Alrighty, I will check and see what the total number is and adjust accordingly. I recall only one of the corps being at the 6 division maximum. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Thanks for the clarification Ralegh

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/9/2005 6:27:39 PM

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Well, I am afraid that no matter how I try, I simply cannot seem to add a third corps to either of my armies. They are well below the limits for army/corps sizes.

Not only that, but I specifically detach and remove a division from a corps, or say, move an army out of one province (England to York, for example), hit end turn, and the units don't move one inch. It's as if they are frozen in place.

Atm, all of my forces are in England with a supply depot. I simply cannot arrange my forces in any way shape or form, despite the fact that they are well within the limits for corps sizes/army sizes.

In desperation, I even removed the leaders from my corps and armies, and while that worked, my divisions themselves still do not wish to detach and move where I tell them to.

I am at a loss as to what I am doing wrong.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/10/2005 4:54:49 AM

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Think of removing units from an army as happening instead of movement, and adding units (who are already unaffiliated and are in the same area) as happening before movement.
It is best to rearrange units instead of moving - while this is probably not an intentional feature of the game, I quite like it since it introduces a historically accurate time lag when changing unit affiliations, which I like.

Exception: native troops (from a protectorate's corps or army) cannot be removed from their container. Sim. for units on loan.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/10/2005 6:56:34 PM

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I dont think it works

in my game as France, I got a Army with 2 Corps in it, the most I can get is 15 units in that army
(think the game may be seeing the leaders as Divs for the number of troops in it)

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/10/2005 9:17:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

I dont think it works

in my game as France, I got a Army with 2 Corps in it, the most I can get is 15 units in that army
(think the game may be seeing the leaders as Divs for the number of troops in it)

HARD_Sarge

This is EXACTLY the same problem I am having. 3 corps in an Army despite the fact I am 3 divisions short of the supposed maximum allowable divisions (15 total divisions 5 per corps)?

No way, no how.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/10/2005 9:22:31 PM

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okay, but does the Corps count as a unit in the total the Army can have ?
if a Army can have 18 units, and each Corps has 5, then add in the 3 Corps, that would be 18 ???

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/10/2005 9:32:32 PM

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I've even tried to add a 3rd corps to an army that in total would have been less then 18 units, far less.

For example: 3 corps with 4 divisions each = no workie

I've tried Ralagh's suggestions about removing a division, adding the corps, then adding the division back in, etc. Nothing works.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/10/2005 9:51:12 PM

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This for me has been one of the most frustrating aspects of COG's learning curve and i went on about this during the Beta. There is no clear explanation and when someone(ralegh) clears it up there appears to be a bug further clouding the issue. I too have noticed the issue of adding the 3rd corps, hell i had the problem in a short lived test game last night, and frankly i sometimes just ctrl-click a stack and try combining later. In summary, sometimes a 3rd corps won't add unless you jumble things around like "dice" and in my experience it was too vague in the manual and elsewhere to really understand what was actually working given that France already starts with +1 corps and an upgrade does "+1" to corps, it all seems to add to the confusion IMO.

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/10/2005 9:57:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

I dont think it works

in my game as France, I got a Army with 2 Corps in it, the most I can get is 15 units in that army
(think the game may be seeing the leaders as Divs for the number of troops in it)

HARD_Sarge

Now that makes sense, you can have 6 divs per corps(7 if France or you get upgrade) so the most you could have is 14 div's +leaders in that Army of 2 corps. You need another corps to be able to add more div's to the Army(3 corps max per army)...catch my drift? In short: To MAX out an Army you need...1 Army, 3 Corps and 21 divisions(18 normal or 21 as France or w/ Upgrade) plus Leaders who don't count towards stacking.
Army: holds up to 3 Corps
Corps: holds up to 7 div's

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RE: Corps armies & Divisions - 7/12/2005 7:22:10 PM

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OK - 2 bugs crept into this stuff, and we (the beta testers) didn't notice. Sorry. No wonder everyone is confused about this. I have logged these ...

The way it seems to work at the moment [only tested on Russia]:

1) When adding either corps or divisions into an army (directly), corps incorrectly count towards the 18 limit (both corps already inside the army, and corps being added). You can get a silly situation where you can't add a corps with one division in it, but could just add the division!
2) When adding divisions into corps which are already inside an army, the limit of divisions in the army only counts the divisions in corps, and incorrectly does not add in any divisions directly in the army. At least it doesn't count the corps themselves.

[18 divisions in an army is the limit for everyone except France. I assume France has the same problem, just 2 divisions higher.]
Hence, I have a new record: in this screenie, I got 21 divisions into a Russian army. Nice surprise for the Turks hehe.

Does this 'explanation' match with people's experience? - Lemme know if not so I can refine the description of the bug.