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Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/6/2005 4:25:19 PM   
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There was talk awhile back from Frag, something vague about the WitP code after Origins. There were questions/guesses as to whether it would be given to the public as open source or someone other than 2BY3 would have custody of the code etc. Frag was rather secretive about it and all we could get out of him was something about "after Origins".

So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?



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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/6/2005 4:29:16 PM   
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Frag secretive?!? Nooo no you must have the wrong person

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/6/2005 4:30:14 PM   
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Busy ... quit with the rumors until I start them

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/6/2005 4:32:19 PM   
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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/6/2005 5:48:02 PM   
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Hello...

No code in forseeable future.

Bye...

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...So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?



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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/6/2005 5:50:39 PM   
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Frag = secretive

Mike = clear as Prince Charles's extra-marital relationships



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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/6/2005 7:21:44 PM   
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Well, if they pause on the endless code fixes for WitP, perhaps that means they'll FINALLY get to releasing WPO. Wouldn't that be nice?

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/6/2005 11:39:48 PM   
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Hello...

No code in forseeable future.

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...So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?




Oh well.

But thanks for the answer Mike.

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/7/2005 12:11:57 AM   
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I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/7/2005 12:14:49 AM   
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Thanks for the clarification, Joel. Good to hear that WitP is still selling.

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/7/2005 1:04:39 AM   
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I'll second that. The more you guys sell, the better for us...

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/7/2005 3:20:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.


Thanks for the clarification.

Where is the list to sign up to work on it?

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/7/2005 3:26:16 PM   
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I'd guess it would be a "they come to you list" rather than a "me me me. Pick me!" list

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/7/2005 9:53:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Speedy

I'd guess it would be a "they come to you list" rather than a "me me me. Pick me!" list


Well, they did mention volunteers - so I was volunteering.

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/8/2005 12:51:47 PM   
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Hi

Well, I am putting up my hand to help fix the Leader bug

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/8/2005 2:12:51 PM   
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Bug? What bug? WiTP has bugs? First i've heard of it

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/8/2005 2:24:49 PM   
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Must be some other WitP. It certainly isn't the one I'M playing!

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/8/2005 4:34:19 PM   
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Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.


Thanks for info Joel!

BTW, in light of your statement "I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell" and comparing that to what you said before "around 10000 copies sold at best" I guestimate that there have been 4000-7000 WitP copies sold - IMHO this is _VERY_ good news indeed (and I sincerely hope you will meat your goal)!!!


Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/9/2005 2:49:53 AM   
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I will be happy to do some further development/fixing bugs on WitP in the future :)

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/9/2005 8:33:09 AM   
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Did I say 10k at best? I thought I said between 5-15k units sold. Check back with me in a few years and I'll let you know how it came out, but in any case I'd hire you to do my econometric forecasting (econometrics was my favorite class in college).

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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/9/2005 10:15:21 AM   
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Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Did I say 10k at best? I thought I said between 5-15k units sold.


This is even better news then!

I will keep my fingers crossed (I really think you guys deserve it because you truly make our hobby worth)!


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Check back with me in a few years and I'll let you know how it came out, but in any case I'd hire you to do my econometric forecasting (econometrics was my favorite class in college).


RGR




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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/9/2005 11:32:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.



At the risk of upsetting someone keen to see this open sourced, I'd say the above was the best way to go about it. It seems to me that open sourcing it too early will give too many people too many chances to do too much. As it stands, we're all playing the same game. Everyone has something they'ed like tweaking maybe, but many of the tweakables have people for and against said tweaking. I'd hate to see different versions of this come out that differed in some way.

Getting talented volunteers inhouse allows you to get a lot of the "like to haves" done, but in a controlled environment.

I'm also pleased to hear people are still buying the game in numbers. It makes for a bigger chance I'll find someone I can beat.

Now a request to you:

Get an early night. Get up very early tomorrow. Re-start working on War in Russia.

please........



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RE: Now that Origins has concluded... - 7/10/2005 1:24:47 AM   
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Well I know every one dogs it, but I love AI programming. And I'm good at it to boot. So I'll offer again, to take care of all AI programming.

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