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WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 4:14:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		As many people have stated in these forums, Russia and Turkey send wave after wave of armies at your borders. ALthough they are defeated rather easily, what on earth do I do with all the surrendered untis? They eat my food and wait to be realeased by some roaving ban of Cossacks! I put some in my garrisons, but I don't have room for almost 100K of POWs! HELP!! I am about to lose because I am winning..

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 4:39:10 PM   
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As many people have stated in these forums, Russia and Turkey send wave after wave of armies at your borders. ALthough they are defeated rather easily, what on earth do I do with all the surrendered untis? They eat my food and wait to be realeased by some roaving ban of Cossacks! I put some in my garrisons, but I don't have room for almost 100K of POWs! HELP!! I am about to lose because I am winning..

If you just want to starve them all, you could stick them all in a single province and wait. (Or maybe you could dump them into the sea!)

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 4:43:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Am I correct in my understanding that they are used to increase your labor pool? If so, they can be helpful.

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 4:45:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Put them in your Cap City, along with a Army to protect them, and then use them as labor

(my last game, I had over 300K of POWs in Paris (was at war with 5 sides at once)

or put them in a area that they will not be gotten to, and then place on Depot supply and don't give them a depot, they will die off soon enough

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 4:45:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GBS

Am I correct in my understanding that they are used to increase your labor pool? If so, they can be helpful.

Yes, if you can distribute them adequately, they help your production. The problem is if they begin outstripping the forage value of your provinces--then you'd have to start building depots, and I don't know if it would be worth it.

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 5:14:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mr. Z has hit the nail right on the head! As Prussia, I sent all the Russinas to Berlin, with a protective army. However, they were all dying, Russians and Prussians, from forage, and due to my lack of replacements, I was losing troops I couldn't replace right away. So, I left the Russians by themselves and moved my army to keep them alive. Then here come the roving band of Cossack trash and liberated them. I fought them again and trounced them. However, I lost troops I still couldn't replace and had POWs I couldn't feed.
March them into the sea is what I say! I was stuck in a war that I didn't start or want, and it was dragging me down even though I didn't lose a single battle! Oh the HUMANITY!

Did I mention I love this game?

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 6:12:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe they should include a extrmination button. This would kill all pow but give you like negative 100 victory or a big moral hit.

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 6:23:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ahauschild

Maybe they should include a extrmination button. This would kill all pow but give you like negative 100 victory or a big moral hit.




This isn't a third reich game!

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 7:58:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		PLease let the record show that I did not propose to exterminate 100k POWs. Prussia doesn't want to ruin its rep.....yet

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 8:02:17 PM   
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PLease let the record show that I did not propose to exterminate 100k POWs. Prussia doesn't want to ruin its rep.....yet


lol!



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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 8:21:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		...and then along comes a neverending flood of ever-to-be-damned cossacks, who proceed to liberate these 100K russian prisoners... in central France... man, do I hate cossacks...

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 8:32:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		A cool feature might be a prisoner exchange with random chance the AI accepts. Other than that what about half rations for prisoners.

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/11/2005 9:27:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can place the POWs in a province foraging and the "guards" in the same province on depot supply. It is a bit more expensive, but at least you'll benefit from the POW labor without losing troops of your own or risking losing your POWs to wandering cossacks.

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 1:38:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tiredoftryingnames

A cool feature might be a prisoner exchange with random chance the AI accepts. Other than that what about half rations for prisoners.


yep i was about to say a cool option for diplomacy would be POW bargaining....

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 1:51:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr. Z


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ORIGINAL: GBS

Am I correct in my understanding that they are used to increase your labor pool? If so, they can be helpful.

Yes, if you can distribute them adequately, they help your production. The problem is if they begin outstripping the forage value of your provinces--then you'd have to start building depots, and I don't know if it would be worth it.


Although if there were huge glory penalties for losing POWs, then it would be worth it. If the penalty did exist, it would need to be accompanied by treaty options for prisoner exchange and/or prisoner parole. If it was feasible in the game, I would expect that parole would allow the prisoners to be sent back to their home country without worrying about their converting to combat troops ... at least until an agreed upon date. However, the same rules would apply for paroled troops as POWs; they could be used as labor in their home country.

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 2:10:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		a) I have proposed that you should get more VPs during a peace treaty if you have more (live) POWs - that would create some incentive to keep them well
b) I have proposed that POWs inside a city should not be freed until the city is occupied, rather than when the province is entered - then it would be safe enough to put some in each city

What do I do? - For me, the risks of them coming back to fight me again are more significant than the value of them as forced labour, but others might feel differently. I usually identify a safe province with a nice low forage value and put the POW there to starve. If I don't have a safe province, I might send them into allied territory (I often have an ally who isn't involved in the war who can act as POW warden for me!) I haven't tried putting an army to guard them - my armies are usually too busy for that!

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 2:29:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ralegh

a) I have proposed that you should get more VPs during a peace treaty if you have more (live) POWs - that would create some incentive to keep them well
b) I have proposed that POWs inside a city should not be freed until the city is occupied, rather than when the province is entered - then it would be safe enough to put some in each city

What do I do? - For me, the risks of them coming back to fight me again are more significant than the value of them as forced labour, but others might feel differently. I usually identify a safe province with a nice low forage value and put the POW there to starve. If I don't have a safe province, I might send them into allied territory (I often have an ally who isn't involved in the war who can act as POW warden for me!) I haven't tried putting an army to guard them - my armies are usually too busy for that!


Great ideas!!!

Im also in POW overload...




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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 2:48:16 AM   
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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 2:52:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		WOW! That is utterly amazing..

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 5:42:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am contemplating putting them on a transport fleet, without guards and having the Brits sink the ships for me. I just have to many. Wonder if Nelson would still be so popular if it came to light that he just drownd 250k british troops and Wellington.

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 7:18:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		PoW are the one part of the game I see no reason for. In a game that stresses combat, diplomacy and economy I don't see the reason one should model down to the detail of having to feed and care for PoW. To me at least, it adds nothing to the game except frustration and I would be happier if it were abstracted.

Looking at some of the gamey ways people are considering dealing with it, I think there are many who are on the same wavelength as myself.

There are so many good points to this game, but in virtually every single solo campaign I have started, at one point or another, an army has popped up behind my lines for no logical reason and it annoys me to have to chase them down. They have not accomplished much aside from eating depots...but all my reading of the period has not indicated that PoW armies were popping up yearly like so many Spartacus' (Spartaci?).

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 7:47:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love the idea of POWs adding to VPs. At least they would have a purpose. I also like the POW exchange ideas. However, the feeding and housing 200k of POWs is just way out of control..

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RE: WHAT THE $&%# do I do with all these POWs?! - 7/12/2005 8:02:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ralegh

a) I have proposed that you should get more VPs during a peace treaty if you have more (live) POWs - that would create some incentive to keep them well
b) I have proposed that POWs inside a city should not be freed until the city is occupied, rather than when the province is entered - then it would be safe enough to put some in each city

I propose a game setup parameter that turns off the whole POW concept.

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