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ORIGINAL: witpqs

I thought that TF's were supposed to sortie and only ships disbanded in port were supposed to scuttle?

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ORIGINAL: Tophat


Ever pull a defeat out of victory?

Night Time Surface Combat, near Davao at 41,61

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 10, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
MSW Wa 14
ML Yaeyama, Shell hits 41, and is sunk
AP Africa Maru
AP Anrugu Maru
AP Astuga Maru
AP Atsuta Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
AP Dainiunyo Maru
AP Eiko Maru, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AP Gotake Maru
AP Gyoko Maru
AP Hakone Maru
AP Hie Maru, Shell hits 25, on fire, heavy damage
AP Hiyoshi Maru

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Bulmer
DD Paul Jones
DD Parrott
DD Stewart
DD Scout
DD Thanet
DD Thracian


Drove off the jap landing TF,but after they droppedoff the Brigade landing force. My ships dutifully docked in port to refuel,while the JAPS dutifully took the port through ground assault.
End result my taskforce scuttles to prevent capture!!!

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ORIGINAL: AlexCobra

Hi!

Do this 'scuttle' feature appeared in latest patches? 'Cause in earlier games (if I remember it right) I saw ships running for their lives from occupied ports... though there was a weird thing - seems like they all do it from port... As I suppose, it can be more realistic, if some ships will escape, and some do not... as in real life...

Well, anyway, very strange decision - to scuttle the precious ships (Allies didn't have much of them in Indonesia) without direct threat of capturing... and I don't think there was treat like that - all in all, some ships can do the runaway - remember the North Atlantic convoys history (when the transports were left without cover after British Admiralitry order - even there some ships escaped!). Seems like usual Allied defence doctrine: " Alarm! Recon said the Japs just occupied the town! Scuttle the ships! Save yourself!"...

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There was a similar incident discussed on the forum a couple of months back. Careful reading of the rules says the if your ships are DOCKED and the base is taken, there is a CHANCE that your ships will be scuttled. I don't know how good the chance is, but apparently it is a pretty good one.

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I don't think the TF was supposed to even check for scuttle. I have always thought only disbanded ships could scuttle on base capture.
Frag where are you?

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As for what do i mean by CHANCE they could be scuttled - this is what the rule book said, iirc, (not what i mean). I suspect it does a dice roll on the whole TF, not individual ships. The last argument this was about was when several US carriers were scuttled in a similar event.

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ORIGINAL: AlexCobra

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As for what do i mean by CHANCE they could be scuttled - this is what the rule book said, iirc, (not what i mean). I suspect it does a dice roll on the whole TF, not individual ships. The last argument this was about was when several US carriers were scuttled in a similar event.

Well, if the dice roll apply to entire TF, it can explain the situation... but from any point of view, this action seems underproved (is it legitime word?) a lot. I can picture out the situation, but still the main problem still exist: Surface Combat TF was scuttled in without sensitive explanation. Just what do u think, was this a VERY unlucky incident or an AI bug?

Alex.

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

My .02 for what its worth.

If the TF had docked, they probably would have had 1000 op points spent since they had engaged in surface combat and would have been reloading ammo also which is an automatic 1000. Since they had no op points left, then they had nothing left to move with when base fell and poof they scuttle.

But another observation: The forces that may have landed from that TF are NOT the ones that took the base. There HAD to be troops there already, since Davao isnt an atoll. Chalk that up to experience. Never dock in a port that you are going to lose.

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ORIGINAL: tabpub

But he gave them the P/DNR order , so they did that instead of returning to the HB, which was Jolo as I recall.

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

True - but that isn't quite the same as docking, and if you want to protect a port this is about the best you can do. Perhaps this might have been prevented if the DO NOT REFUEL option was checked? I don't know if this would have prevented replenishment of ammo...

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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Tophat,

You should post this on the support forum. This smells of a bug. I think Mogami is correct in that only disbanded ships scuttle when the base is captured. This shouldn't happen. I think Mike/Joel would agree.

If you get them to notice, they might fix the game in v1.7 for us. (you might be screwed for now, though)

I'd ask your opponent for a re-do on the last turn. See if it happens again. Or maybe even change your orders for the 1 task force in question, but leave the rest of the orders as is.

bc