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USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 3:51:33 AM

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the runaway torpedo demon has struck!

or has it?

ever happen to u?

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 3:52:08 AM

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tho i spose it coulda been a torp from the Asagiri

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 4:04:14 AM

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The Jap Destroyers carry torpedoes too. War is War ! Give it too him with everything we got Mr Scott.
Photon torpedoes...Thats what did it - Yah- Photon Torpedoes

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 4:39:54 AM

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The Jap Destroyers carry torpedoes too.
War is War ! Give it too him with everything we got Mr Scott.
Photon torpedoes...Thats what did it - Yah- Photon Torpedoes

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The Jap Destroyers carry torpedoes too.

NOOOOO! REALLY? thank u mr obvious

lol im jus jokin mate

cant believe the sonar operators didnt hear those screw noises

or it coulda been a runway like the 1 that sank the Tang in 44, if i remember right

does the game include that possibility?

that reminds me, scotty, aka actor james doohan died last week, he was 85

scotty has beamed up

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 4:52:41 AM

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Yes, the IJN DDs will torpedo US Subs (and vice versa). This has been commented about in several threads now...

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 4:56:09 AM

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really?

never seen THOSE threads

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 5:00:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: marky

really?

never seen THOSE threads

Well, yeah - you could try searching them, but the forum search functions don't work very these days...

The threads could have been when you were absent for a while...

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 6:20:18 AM

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As some one said earlier, US subs did torpedo themselves in the war. Runaway torpedoes were a real concern. Getting hit by your own fish is a real bummer.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 7:07:32 AM

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ouch! really? i never knew that.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 9:23:32 AM

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Sailfish's skipper probably has (or HAD by now) a very high agression level and decided to surface in order to attack an "unescorted" convoy on the sufarce. While doing so he got jumped by the escord that had been lurking on the OTHER side of the convoy. Sailfish fled gallantly, but while trying to crash dive got struck by a torpedo launched by IJN destroyer Asagiri......

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 10:49:41 AM

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I've come to realize that kind of thing happened more often than would seem normal. Morrison, Blair, etc. all have multiple accounts of escorts firing torpedoes at submarines.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 12:01:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

Sailfish's skipper probably has (or HAD by now) a very high agression level and decided to surface in order to attack an "unescorted" convoy on the sufarce. While doing so he got jumped by the escord that had been lurking on the OTHER side of the convoy. Sailfish fled gallantly, but while trying to crash dive got struck by a torpedo launched by IJN destroyer Asagiri......

I think it is more probable that the Sailfish was surprised on the surface (that is the normal place to be at night for WW2 submarines) and sunk by a torpedo before being able to dive. WITP submarines only attack on the surface unescorted ships.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 3:58:03 PM

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As some one said earlier, US subs did torpedo themselves in the war. Runaway torpedoes were a real concern. Getting hit by your own fish is a real bummer.

Apparently it was possible to put some sort of guidance mechanism in backwards, which would cause the torpedo to circle. This was never mentioned when they talked/wrote about the problem, but i found it mentioned (sort of in passing) in a sub commander's memoirs.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 4:23:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

ouch! really? i never knew that.

Off Formosa on 25 October 1944, the USS Tang commanded by CDR Richard H. O'Kane, USN, fired a torpedo at a transport ship but the torpedo ran wild and ended up sinking the Tang. Only 9 men, including O'Kane, survived out of a crew of 87.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 4:40:01 PM

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WITP submarines only attack on the surface unescorted ships.

WITP submarines only attack on the surface for ships they THINK are unescorted.

This is why it is a good thing for your subs to get the radar upgrades...

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 5:09:26 PM

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the runaway torpedo demon has struck!

or has it?

ever happen to u?

I read everyone's commentary up to this point - and though many have pointed out that it could happen in reality, I don't believe I have seen a definitive yes or know to the main question - namely - does the game allow this or was that a glitch?

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 5:15:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: marky

the runaway torpedo demon has struck!

or has it?

ever happen to u?

I read everyone's commentary up to this point - and though many have pointed out that it could happen in reality, I don't believe I have seen a definitive yes or know to the main question - namely - does the game allow this or was that a glitch?

B

Yes the game allows it - DDs can torpedo Subs. It has been mentioned in several prior threads, including comments from Mr. Frag, iirc.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 5:24:33 PM

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ships have had the ability to torp subs attacking on the surface since UV days.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 5:46:17 PM

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http://www.bluejacket.com/ww2_ship_loss3.html

According to this, Tullibee and Tang both sank themselves. I believe there may have been one or two others, but my favorite scource material is not on hand...

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 5:47:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

ouch! really? i never knew that.

Off Formosa on 25 October 1944, the USS Tang commanded by CDR Richard H. O'Kane, USN, fired a torpedo at a transport ship but the torpedo ran wild and ended up sinking the Tang. Only 9 men, including O'Kane, survived out of a crew of 87.

USS Tullibee sank herself with a circling torpedo as well. Confirmed by the sole survivor.

It's possible that at least a couple other's were sunk the same way, but can't be confirmed. USS Wahoo is one that Dick O'Kane thought was sunk by a circling torpedo. No one will ever know, though.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 6:30:55 PM

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Surely the easiest way to solve this debate is to look up what kind of torpedo sunk her on the info screen.

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 6:48:24 PM

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Surely the easiest way to solve this debate is to look up what kind of torpedo sunk her on the info screen.

Simple...and brilliant

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 6:54:38 PM

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AFAIK. Their is NO code for your own torps circling back to hit you in witp. IMO must have been from a Japanese destroyer

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RE: USS Sailfish sinks.... HERSELF! (in theory) - 7/26/2005 10:20:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wolfie1

Surely the easiest way to solve this debate is to look up what kind of torpedo sunk her on the info screen.

lol

that occurred to me last night but i was too lazy to get bak up and look

and the final annswer?......................

confirmation this is, hmm yes....

sunk by the Asagiri the Sailfish was...

the Deadly Longlance!

sink that little bitc* of a DD, i WILL!

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