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RE: Help/Comments about AGC and CVEs in invasions - 8/3/2005 6:55:15 AM

ADM Halsey

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I'm surprised you just have yourself as an ADM instead of a FADM

Happy where I am.

In the campains I have going I am just up to 01/41. In both games I am allies (not really ready to tackle Japanese yet) and doing okay. I have been scanning through the posts and seeing what others have been doing in the game.

Very interesting topic here.

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RE: Help/Comments about AGC and CVEs in invasions - 8/3/2005 9:51:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Arkan
... the Allies have 5 combat engineer regiments at the start of scen.15, one CentPac at PH, 3 West Coast and one in the Philippines. They get 3 more in India and as was also said before most allied divisions have some combat and normal engineers included.

Well slap me silly! I looked at those units when I first started playing the game, and the absense of the word 'Combat' caused me to believe they were just a different type of construction unit. I've been using them like SeaBees, etc.

Thanks, Arkan.

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Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 2:03:52 AM

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Staging Base: Midway

----- Air Combat #1 (AC:300 AAA:9209 ASW:40)
------- RADM R.A. Spruance (69/66)
------- 3 CV, 1 CVL, 1 BB, 1 CLAA, 3 CL, 5 DD
------- ** Air suppression: Kwajalein

----- Air Combat #2 (AC:301 AAA:9089 ASW:40)
------- RADM J. Clark (55/63)
------- 3 CV, 1 CVL, 1 BB, 1 CLAA, 3 CL, 5 DD
------- ** Air suppression: Truk

----- Air Combat #3 (AC:300 AAA:8879 ASW:40)
------- VADM W.F. Halsey (71/82)
------- 3 CV, 1 CVL, 1 BB, 1 CLAA, 2 CL, 5 DD
------- ** Air suppression: Kwajalein and Truk

Staging Base: Canton Island

----- Air Combat #4 (AC:195 AAA:7862 ASW:40)
------- RADM P.N.L. Bellinger (64/64)
------- 1 CV, 4 CVL, 1 BB, 3 CLAA, 1 CL, 5 DD
------- ** Tarawa ground attack

----- Surface Combat #1 (Guns:22175 AAA:8222 ASW:40)
------- RADM F.W. Rockwell (62/68)
------- 4 BB, 2 CA, 1 CL, 5 DD
------- ** Tarawa shore bombardment

----- Surface Combat #2 (Guns:21407 AAA:7501 ASW:40)
------- RADM J.F. Shafroth (61/67)
------- 4 BB, 2 CA, 1 CL, 5 DD
------- ** Tarawa shore bombardment

----- Surface Combat #3 (Guns:21985 AAA:8233 ASW:40)
------- RADM W. Lee (60/65)
------- 4 BB, 3 CA, 1 CL, 5 DD
------- ** Tarawa shore bombardment

----- ASW Combat #1 (Guns:135 AAA:1581 ASW:165)
------- RADM C.H. Wright (62/64)
------- 15 DE
------- ** Anti-submarine patrol at Tarawa

----- Minesweeping #1 (AAA:1118 ASW:91)
------- RADM W.R. Furlong (68/69)
------- 13 MSW
------- ** Minsweeping at Tarawa

----- Minesweeping #2 (AAA:659 ASW:37)
------- RADM R.S. Homes (67/67)
------- 13 MSW
------- ** Minesweeping at Tarawa

----- Replenishment #1 (AAA:3315 ASW:40)
------- RADM D.M. Wilcken (52/60)
------- 2 CVE, 5 AO, 5 DD

----- Replenishment #2 (AAA:3116 ASW:40)
------- RADM T.I. Chudzik
------- 2 CVE, 5 AO, 5 DD

----- Replenishment #3 (AAA:3373 ASW:40)
------- RADM W.L. Friedell (64/69)
------- 2 CVE, 5 AO, 5 DD

----- Transport #1 - Primary Invasion Force
------- ** invasion force admiral **
------- 7 LST, 2 CLI - V Amphibious Corps HQ
------- 33 LST, 4 CLI - 2nd USMC Division
------- 1 LSD, 1 LST, 1 LCI - 193rd USA Tank Battalion
------- 1 LSD, 1 LST, 1 LCI - 640th USA Tank Destroyer Battalion
------- 2 CA, 5 DD, 2 AK

----- Transport #2 - Secondary Invasion Force
------- ** invasion force admiral **
------- 2 AP (4000 ton) - 59th Naval Construction Battalion
------- 2 AP (4000 ton) - 62nd Naval Construction Battalion
------- 2 AP (4000 ton) - 76th Naval Construction Battalion
------- 3 AP (6000 ton) - 52nd Naval Base Force
------- 5 DD

----- Transport #3 - Floating Reserve
------- ** invasion force admiral **
------- 4 AP (6000 ton) - 33rd USA Division
------- 1 CA, 5 DD, 2 AK

----- Transport #4 - Amphibious Command Task Force
------- ** invasion force admiral **
------- 1 AGC - V Amphibious Force HQ
------- 7 CVE, 5 DD

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 3:11:16 AM

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Transport TF # 4 should be split; put the CVE's in a seperate TF, otherwise they might stray into bombardment range of the shore defences. This happened to my Allied PBEM opponent last turn, and it's bitter to lose a CVE to coastal guns.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 3:49:58 AM

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Did your opponent use it in a TF that tried to unload? Since Transport TF #4 is not supposed to unload I think all ships are safe from shore defences. Only the guns at Bataan are allowed to fire at every ship in the hex.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 4:07:28 AM

Terminus

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You know, that actually occurred to me as I was writing the post. He had plunked it down into a landing force. If the CVE's are only attached to the amphibious command TF, then there should indeed be no problem. Might still be vulnerable to mines, though...

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 5:06:03 AM

dereck

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

You know, that actually occurred to me as I was writing the post. He had plunked it down into a landing force. If the CVE's are only attached to the amphibious command TF, then there should indeed be no problem. Might still be vulnerable to mines, though...

Sorry for the confustion. The Transport TF #4 will not be landing any forces. It's there for the command bonus from the AGC and also to provide air cover (though my fleet carriers are going to pull a Marc Mitscher and trash Japanese air fields in the Marshall's and maybe even Truk if it has planes that have the range to hit Tarawa).

And, as far as mines, I have two minesweeping task forces which I'll be sending in with my bombardment task forces. And I intend at least 5 or more days of continuous shore bombardment before I invade.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 5:13:33 AM

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Let me warn you one more time: I very much doubt that you are going to be able to prevent your troops from unloading. Troops loaded on ships will unload regardless of the unload setting if they are in a coastal or enemy base hex. You might be able to get around this if you change the mission from transport to escort, though I haven't experimented with that to know.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 5:15:55 AM

dereck

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ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

Let me warn you one more time: I very much doubt that you are going to be able to prevent your troops from unloading. Troops loaded on ships will unload regardless of the unload setting if they are in a coastal or enemy base hex. You might be able to get around this if you change the mission from transport to escort, though I haven't experimented with that to know.

Well Nimitz made mistakes when HE invaded Tarawa so I'll leave my AGC task group as it is and be the guinea pig to test this out.

Maybe someone who knows the answer could post it here for people to know?

< Message edited by dereck -- 8/5/2005 5:18:17 AM >

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 6:45:16 AM

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I DO have another question and this time concerns my 4 "invasion" task forces. I know the one that will actually land forces should have an Admiral well suited to command invasion task forces and that the floating reserve should have one too.

How about my other two? Will the command bonus for the command ship only count the Amphib HQ CO or would it also take into consideration the Admiral in charge of the actual TF?

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/5/2005 12:49:45 PM

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I don't know about the unloading so I appreciate your testing.

From the leader thread:

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land rating of amphib HQ's leader effects chance of amphib unload success

The AGC TF leader only brings the ships to Tarawa, the invasion bonus comes from the HQ leader.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/10/2005 5:48:48 PM

dereck

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ORIGINAL: Arkan

I don't know about the unloading so I appreciate your testing.

From the leader thread:

quote:

land rating of amphib HQ's leader effects chance of amphib unload success

The AGC TF leader only brings the ships to Tarawa, the invasion bonus comes from the HQ leader.

Arkan, I wimped out on the AGC. Since it had a command radius of 1 hex I kept the task force containing my CVEs and AGC one hex away from the invasion base.

I'm not sure what effect having the CVEs one hex away from the invasion base but I put up plenty of CAP against the few meager attempts by Japanese air to bomb my ships.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/10/2005 5:58:38 PM

Arkan

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That way you didn't get any amphib bonus from the HQ. HQ ranges are counted differently than aircraft ranges, HQ range 1 equals aircraft range 0, so you have to be in the same hex.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 8/10/2005 6:02:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Arkan

That way you didn't get any amphib bonus from the HQ. HQ ranges are counted differently than aircraft ranges, HQ range 1 equals aircraft range 0, so you have to be in the same hex.

Now that's just assinine. Why don't they make the ranges all the same to make an already complicated game a bit easier? Oh Well, I'm planning on grabbing Kwajalein in late January/early February 1944 so I'll just have to go test it then.

As it turned out I really didn't need the amphib bonus as I took Tarawa the same day I landed. Japanese didn't even stick around to put up a fight - just up and died enmasse.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 9/1/2005 12:29:13 AM

dereck

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ORIGINAL: dereck

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ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

Let me warn you one more time: I very much doubt that you are going to be able to prevent your troops from unloading. Troops loaded on ships will unload regardless of the unload setting if they are in a coastal or enemy base hex. You might be able to get around this if you change the mission from transport to escort, though I haven't experimented with that to know.

Well Nimitz made mistakes when HE invaded Tarawa so I'll leave my AGC task group as it is and be the guinea pig to test this out.

Maybe someone who knows the answer could post it here for people to know?

From my invasion of Kwajalein. I had my V Amphib Force HQ in it's own task force in the invasion hex but set to DO NOT UNLOAD and it didn't unload. Only my combat troops unloaded.

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RE: Upgraded Invasion Force Composition - 9/2/2005 11:41:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: dereck

quote:

ORIGINAL: dereck

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ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

Let me warn you one more time: I very much doubt that you are going to be able to prevent your troops from unloading. Troops loaded on ships will unload regardless of the unload setting if they are in a coastal or enemy base hex. You might be able to get around this if you change the mission from transport to escort, though I haven't experimented with that to know.

Well Nimitz made mistakes when HE invaded Tarawa so I'll leave my AGC task group as it is and be the guinea pig to test this out.

Maybe someone who knows the answer could post it here for people to know?

From my invasion of Kwajalein. I had my V Amphib Force HQ in it's own task force in the invasion hex but set to DO NOT UNLOAD and it didn't unload. Only my combat troops unloaded.

I have had no trouble with "DO NOT UNLOAD" either. Perhaps cap_and_gown has corrupted files or a bug of sorts?

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