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Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 1:02:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		The very mysterious reseach system is supposed to "produce" virtual rd planes, don't they need engines from the pool?
At the beginning of the game I increased my Kawasaki engines production from 110 to 156. I also started expanding/converting plant for research on the Tony.
I'm in May now and I'm "producing" nearly 150 virtual rd-Tonies( factories repaired and not halted )but...I've 800 Kawasaki engines in my pool! Meaning not a single engine was used by my factories doing research on Tony.
Is the research system supposed to work that way?( would be a good new: reseach isn't as expensive as I thought,specially for two engines planes )
Is my research not working at all?

Do I need to say the availability date for the Tony is still 08/42?
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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 1:47:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		R&D doesn't use engines, it's just to shorten the availablity time of a plane. Researching 1 or 2 planes isn't to expensive, but reasearching 20-30 planes (MOST of them pretty crappy by the way), as the game does pre-programmed without human intervention, is VERY expensive....

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 2:25:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, if I understand well, producing a "rd-plane" costs half the HI points of a normal plane :18 HI for a single engine plane and 36 HI for a two engines plane.
For normal planes you must add the engines cost an the final cost is: 36 HI for a single engine plane and 72 HI for a two engines plane.
Building/repairing factories is not a research cost, I would have expended the supplies anyway (but later) to start production.It's just a bad idea to repair them all at the same time, specially at the beginning of the game, but you don't waste anything there if you correctly anticipate your production needs.
If I'm not missing something it means I over estimated the cost of research and I can do more. But what will I get in return, this is another question...

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 3:02:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't try to do all the industry stuff at once, you still have a war to fight...

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 3:03:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes good advice. You don't want to expand too much at any 1 time since it can drain a LOT of supply

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 3:32:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I've been very cautious till now with research and production.Now, with SRA almost secured, no supply shortage and seeing the HI cost is not so important I realise I can do more.
Thanks for all your advices.

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 4:18:13 PM   
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think I've been very cautious till now with research and production.Now, with SRA almost secured, no supply shortage and seeing the HI cost is not so important I realise I can do more.
Thanks for all your advices.


Just remember, repairing just ONE R&D point will cost you 1000 supply points (EVERY TURN), also a minimum of 10K of supply needs to be present at the base before you can even repair...

The R&D indeed does't cost to much in terms of HI points, the converting and REPAIRING of R&D factories is a hole different matther though...

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 4:30:15 PM   
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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 5:43:21 PM   
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For the Tony I just built what are my expected production needs 3 months in advance. It's not a real effort, but I understand you can't do all at the same time and almost the other long term projects were stopped (not repairing).
Basically, my research strategy will be to have my production plants built 6-8 months in advance, if possible, and then start "virtual production" for some interesting models.I don't use supplies, just pay in advance.Seems too optimistic?
The only exception to this strategy, for 43,is going to be the Frances .I'll probably build an oversized production plant, to upgrade my Betties as fast as possible and then eventually halt . This plane seems to be a great improvement over the Betty. has anybody seen it in action in a game?

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 10:19:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		R&D factories don't consume any HI or engines ... of course you don't get any airplanes either. Repairing R&D factories cost 1000 supply per capacity point, the same as it would cost after the factory "goes live." There must be some sort of roll involved because R&D factories don't repair every turn, with the factories that are producing types sooner repairing faster.

Anyway... I wouldn't put any big effort into rearranging most of the R&D. I haven't seen it make much difference. It cost the same in supply to repair the factory no matter when it happens.

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 10:47:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		RD costs nothing and brings nothing...at least something simple and logical in this game!
But are you sure it doesn't consume HI?

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/11/2005 11:25:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		You forgot to mention all the engines Japan builds that are never used by any aircraft type.

You really don't have control over production any way, the computer will change aircraft production on you. You can control how much of an aircraft will be built but the computer control which aircraft will be built. Once a new aircraft type become available the computer will change production.


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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/12/2005 12:15:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NemRod

RD costs nothing and brings nothing...at least something simple and logical in this game!
But are you sure it doesn't consume HI?


Ja. I tested it by turning off everything except a large R&D factory (repaired to over 100 )and running several turns .... the HI pool never decreased.


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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/12/2005 12:42:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Research is absolutely FREE!?!?( the supply cost is a production cost, not a research cost )
I can't believe the system is supposed to work this way.If it is supposed to work...
I'll restart the "production" of my rd factories, most of them were halted to save HI points.

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RE: Rd planes without engines? - 8/12/2005 12:55:52 AM   
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most of them were halted to save HI points


You have PLENTY of HI points to go arround, but supply points are a WHOLE different ballgame... Be carefull with R&D, if you screw up jap production your game is history...

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