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RE: Help With Timing My Tarawa Invasion - 8/12/2005 1:59:09 PM

Arkan

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ORIGINAL: Halsey

The US BF's that have the combat engineers are two digit ones.
52 BF, 72 BF, etc. These also have large aviation/support organic to them.

I guess I'm overlooking something, first I checked the 72nd BF in the scen.15 reinforcements screen, then I looked it up in the DB and then I loaded the 44 scenario where the BF is already on the map but nowhere did I find combat engineers included.

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Engineers destroy fortifications when using deliberate attacks.

Infantry destroy fortifications when using shock attacks. If the odds are right.

I think the main difference is that combat engineers can destroy fortifications irrespective of the odds. Infantry can destroy forts with deliberate attacks too. I think they just can destroy more than one fort per turn with shock attacks, but I could be wrong on this.

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RE: Help With Timing My Tarawa Invasion - 8/12/2005 3:31:55 PM

Sardaukar

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Most infantry units have engineer squads to reduce forts and I think shock attack increases the odds plus you can reduce more than one. But I think for unit with *no* engineer squads shock attack is only alternative to reduce fort level.

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RE: Help With Timing My Tarawa Invasion - 8/12/2005 4:16:50 PM

Arkan

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But I think for unit with *no* engineer squads shock attack is only alternative to reduce fort level.

That's wrong, a 1 to 1 deliberate attack will destroy one fort. If a fort is destroyed by combat engineers it will read like this "Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to x", if it's destroyed by infantry or anything else because of positive attack odds it will read like this "Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to x".
Normal construction engineers can't assault at all and cannot destroy forts.

As a clarification I think it's important to note that combat engineers and construction engineers are NOT determined by the type of unit they are in but only by their squad type. So Engineers and Engineer Vehicles are always construction engineers as well as USA Engineer Squad, USMC Engineer Squad, Dutch Sapper Squad, etc. are always combat engineers regardless if they are in an Inf, Eng or HQ type unit.

As an example a typical US division will have some Engineers as well as some USA Engineer Squads in its TOE. The USA Eng. Squads have an AV and can take part in attacks, they will have a chance of destroying forts before the assault because they are combat engs and they will take part in the assault along with the division's infantry squads and will destroy forts if the assault odds are better then 0 to 1. However the division's Engineers have no assault value and will not do anything useful during an attack.

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