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Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 7:03:25 PM   
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 102
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1
P-26A x 8
P-36A Mohawk x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed, 7 damaged
D3A Val: 7 destroyed, 54 damaged
B5N Kate: 12 destroyed, 53 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
P-26A: 8 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 7 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 25 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 16 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed
B-18A Bolo: 7 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AR Medusa, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Tautog, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1
DMS Trevor, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Shaw, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Aylwin, Bomb hits 1
DD Downes, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DM Tracy, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Wright, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA New Orleans, Torpedo hits 1
AV Curtiss, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA San Francisco, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT PT-22, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tucker, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Airbase hits 32
Runway hits 104

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
16 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
23 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
15 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
16 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
16 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
17 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet

The whole BB fleets are at the bottom of the sea. If all B5N Kates launched torpedoes it really hurt. Anyone see this sort of result ?
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 7:07:45 PM   
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 7:10:23 PM   
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 7:12:26 PM   
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Looks like the Japanese stole Boise's Proton torps.........

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 7:13:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		looks like NONE of the kates dropped bombs...all torps.

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 8:02:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it does say all BN5 launched torpedoes. I would call for a redo, that is horse manour. They arent all supposed to launch torpedoes

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 9:48:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		You were lucky that all Kates dropped torpedoes but tests done on previous versions (v1.5) showed that if you change the KB settings so that all Kates will fly port attack on first turn at 2000 feet, you usually sink between 4 and 8 BBs. In tests reported between 50% and 100% of the Kates dropped torpedoes.

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 10:02:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		having often been the recipiant of a no BB's sunk result as the Japanese player i would not call for a restart. It was an extraordinary piece of dice work but as Allied, i'd take it. Fortunes of war.


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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 10:06:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are several dice rolls here. Not just the fact that all the Kates dropped torps. Also included is the damaged inflicted. In my PH raid against Grotius, several of his BBs got equal numbers of torp hits (about half the Kata Datais dropped torps) but I didn't sink a single one. The gods of war were not with me that day.

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 10:55:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it's an incredible result. I'm currently working of tuning my moves on turn 1 and most of time ( over most an hundred PH attack), only 1 BB is sunk.

But it's the odd of wars, just a total tactical victory will not make the allies or the japanese loose. Many other battles will perhaps change the result of the war.

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 11:03:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I say good for you Francois. Don't redo the turn. It is pretty rare that you get such an extreme and, in your case, favorable result. You deserve it. Now the question is "how will the war turn out?". What will your opponent do to win the war?

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/15/2005 11:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		maybe....use his carriers as his main striking force?

NAW!!!!! noone's crazy enough to prepose that....except those flyboys...

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 12:40:00 AM   
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 12:44:40 AM   
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"Heavy Damage" v. "Sunk" - 8/16/2005 1:30:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fdeutsch
Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

The whole BB fleets are at the bottom of the sea. If all B5N Kates launched torpedoes it really hurt. Anyone see this sort of result ?



So call me stoopid but does "heavy damage" imply "sunk".
I like the idea of WITP but I've never had the weeks of time to invest in the game so I never went down that road. I'm still intersted in it though.

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RE: "Heavy Damage" v. "Sunk" - 8/16/2005 1:33:25 AM   
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RE: "Heavy Damage" v. "Sunk" - 8/16/2005 1:34:20 AM   
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RE: "Heavy Damage" v. "Sunk" - 8/16/2005 1:50:42 AM   
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RE: "Heavy Damage" v. "Sunk" - 8/16/2005 2:04:12 AM   
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RE: "Heavy Damage" v. "Sunk" - 8/16/2005 4:19:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

I've never actually flown a Pearl Harbor strike...



I totally agree with this tactic. Slamming Manila on 12-07-41 gets rid of all those pesky subs. I would rather deal with 3-4 extra old US BBs in 43 than deal with the US subs from day 1.

Plus doing this positions the KB to wreak havoc during the evacuation of the PI and DEI.

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 7:45:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would keep the result as well. Ninety percent of all stock WitP PH attacks achieve less than historical results - after THREE days of attacks. That isn't a pie in the sky number, I ran 100 trials of the PH for three days of attacks. The vast majority of attacks see 0 or 1 BB sunk on day 1. In no case did the combined system damage of all BB on day 1 significantly exceed historical results. In roughly 90 percent of cases, historical results were not achieved after three days of attacks.

The best way to assure yourself of an effective PH attack is to split all your Kate squadrons. With the Kate squadrons split, KB gets 18 chances to drop torps instead of 6 unsplit. Using that method, I averaged about 2 BB sunk, with one attack netting 5 BB sunk. (Another 100 trials of 3 days worth of attacks. ) My best 3 day total was 7 BB.

Seeing 8 BB sunk on day 1 alone is a fantastic result and you should be delighted.

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 3:04:40 PM   
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 3:12:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very nice strike !!

BBs are not that important to US, though. CVs are, and not only in sense of game points. Sunk US CV is about 4 BBs in strategic value IMHO. So as Allied player I'd not be too sad about those old battlewagons in PH.

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 3:31:30 PM   
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 3:34:22 PM   
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 3:36:43 PM   
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I am now seriosuly thinking of selling my 19" LCD and using this 32" bad boy for both TV and for my PC. Now just gotta find a bluetooth keyboard and mouse..........

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 3:57:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Before. My opponent's lost 2 CV, 1 CVL and 3 BB to that tactic. I'm down 1 CV and 1 CVL.

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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 5:30:57 PM   
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 5:38:47 PM   
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RE: Incredible strike at Pearl Hearbor : all BBs sunk - 8/16/2005 5:52:22 PM   
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