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ORIGINAL: Mziln
See: wifchart.pdf/US Entry Action/NOTES FOR US ENTRY ACTIONS:

3. The USA also picks 1 extra chit a turn for each action (except conquests by surrender). It must go into the marked entry pool.

Is this Conquest by Surrender?

when one or more major powers declare war on a minor country, choose an active major power on the other side to align with it. If there is more than one eligible major power, offer the minor country to the major power whose capital city is closest to the minor countries capital (any home country in the case of the Commonwealth). If it declines, offer it to the next closest, and so on.

If every eligible major power declines, the minor country (and all its controlled minor countries and territories) is immediately conquered by the attacking major power (see Conquest).

There is no mention of "Conquest by Surrender" in the RaW.

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead

When the USA draws an extra chit a turn for each action, does that mean that it also makes an extra roll? For example:

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Japan DOW CW and the Netherlands. Next turn Japan captures Lan Chow. The US rolls a 4 for the Entry Action and draws one chit. Does it automatically get an extra chit

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or does it roll for that extra chit?

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If it rolled a 5 on the Entry action, does it still get an extra chit?

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At the end of the turn, during US Entry phase, does the US draw one chit or two?

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

I do not always catch up everything that you mean Mzlin, I'm sorry, English not being my mother tongue, some subtilities must escape me.

However, I wanted to express 2 things :

1. When an extra chit is to be drawn each turn, it is drawn each turn indefinitely, that is, without the extra drawing stopping.

2. For me, the footnote (3) applies whenever to China or to the Netherlands, as well as to any country affected by this footnote. If they surrender of their own will because more than half their factories are enemy controlled, or if they surrender because no major power wants to align them is not relevant. As a side note, it would astonish me completely if the CW forgot to align the Netherlands when they are declared the war on by the Axis.

Best Regards

Patrice

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2. For me, the footnote (3) applies whenever to China or to the Netherlands, as well as to any country affected by this footnote. If they surrender of their own will because more than half their factories are enemy controlled

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead

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2. For me, the footnote (3) applies whenever to China or to the Netherlands, as well as to any country affected by this footnote. If they surrender of their own will because more than half their factories are enemy controlled

In my current game Japan is hammering China quite effectively. My Axis opponent has been telling me that he will capture all but one Chinese city in order to prostrate China but not conquer it. Can he do this without USE penalty. If I surrender I assume I get the (35) USE chit draw but not the extra chit each turn. Is this correct?

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In my current game Japan is hammering China quite effectively. My Axis opponent has been telling me that he will capture all but one Chinese city in order to prostrate China but not conquer it. Can he do this without USE penalty. If I surrender I assume I get the (35) USE chit draw but not the extra chit each turn. Is this correct?

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In my current game Japan is hammering China quite effectively. My Axis opponent has been telling me that he will capture all but one Chinese city in order to prostrate China but not conquer it. Can he do this without USE penalty.

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If I surrender I assume I get the (35) USE chit draw but not the extra chit each turn. Is this correct?

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ORIGINAL: Mziln

4. China conquered (Ja) 3
11. Japan declares war on the USA (Ja) 3
12. Germany or Italy or both declare war on USA or China (Ge/It) 3 & 6
16. Axis conquers United Kingdom (Ge/It) 3
33. Japan declares war on the CW, France or Netherlands (Ja) 3 & 5

If it is true...

Then only if Japan declared war on the Netherlands (a Minor Country).
And the Netherlands didn't receive a controlling Major Power.
Then the extra chit would not become available.
The Netherlands would have surrendered and become subject to the Total Conquest rules.

Basicly if the CW didn't care enough about its trade agreement with the Netherlands then the USA wouldn't either.

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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

On the subject of chit draws, is it possible for the Axis players to see a summation of the USA Entry table status eg

given that the following (say) six events have occured <list> and the average chit draw is 'x' then there is a 37% chance that the USA can declare war on the axis next turn'

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ORIGINAL: doctormm

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ORIGINAL: Mziln

4. China conquered (Ja) 3
11. Japan declares war on the USA (Ja) 3
12. Germany or Italy or both declare war on USA or China (Ge/It) 3 & 6
16. Axis conquers United Kingdom (Ge/It) 3
33. Japan declares war on the CW, France or Netherlands (Ja) 3 & 5

If it is true...

Then only if Japan declared war on the Netherlands (a Minor Country).
And the Netherlands didn't receive a controlling Major Power.
Then the extra chit would not become available.
The Netherlands would have surrendered and become subject to the Total Conquest rules.

Basicly if the CW didn't care enough about its trade agreement with the Netherlands then the USA wouldn't either.

Note 3 merely states that you get an extra chit, unless the chit is from a Conquest that came as a result of a surrender (i.e., "Conquest by surrender"). That's numbers 4 and 16, IF they surrender (in other words, pretty much only applies to number 4, 'cus why would the UK surrender?). The extra chits from declarations of war can't be negated by the DoW somehow resulting in an abandoned minor surrendering, because the chit is for the DoW, not the conquest.

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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

On the subject of chit draws, is it possible for the Axis players to see a summation of the USA Entry table status eg

given that the following (say) six events have occured <list> and the average chit draw is 'x' then there is a 37% chance that the USA can declare war on the axis next turn'

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Ahhh yes, Rule 13.7.6 Surrender

But on the other hand in the Beta a message appears after Germany declares war on Poland.

"Align with Poland [Commonwealth]? If you do not Poland will automaticly surrender."

Now, if the Beta was following the RaW then 33 would be included.


Which shows why there is confusion over the rule.

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ORIGINAL: Mziln

I like your plan Patrice. The chits end when the major power or minor country is compleatly conqured. This works for all six actions. Chinas chits would start when Incompleatly conqured.

If not true why put it on all six.

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ORIGINAL: Mziln

If you that support Rule 13.7.6 Surrender the only condition to end the chits. Then why put it in the rules at all?

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Rule 13.7.6 Surrender

During any peace step, you can surrender a home country of a major power that controls less than half the printed factory stacks in the home country. You can surrender a home country with no printed factories if there is an enemy land unit there.

Treat the surrender of a home country as a Complete Conquest of the major power if it doesn’t control any aligned minors. Otherwise it is incompletely conquered.
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4 & 12 China would have to quit the game.

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11& 12 The USA would have to quit the game. This would make the rule meaningless!

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16 & 33 The Commonwealth would have to quit the game.

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33 France would have to quit the game.

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And the Netherlands would be so important to the USA (who ovelooked their conquest by Germany in WWII) that it is now worried about having to fight a war with Japan.

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If China looses 4 printed factories (China only starts with 8) and takes a Incomplete Conquest. China would cause this USA entry action to occur. China and Japan would be at peace. if Japan wants to contine a war in China, it would have to declare war against China again.

Yes there is a hole in the rules. There is no cost for Japan to declare war on China.