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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 5:43:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh no a .50 cal round is overkill on a human being but the Rate of fire is a bit slow around 450-650 unlike the AC-130U "Spooky and the MG-42,3. (Spooky is a converted Lockheed C-130 Hercules assault transport for you guys who don't know ^_^) it a has a few 25mm Gatlings with 5 barrels putting out 1800 rounds per minute that is firepower. Most of the Apaches and super cobras we got in them have chips so they don't fire over a 1000 rpm, but that thing is a suped up Puff the magic dragon even has a 105mm Howitzer on it!

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 6:34:09 PM   
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I think once I learn more about how to play the game, the Italians will be a fine challenge.

With the Americans I'm learning how to be a little more sneaky in unit placement and enticing those tanks to traps where I can maybe hit them.

I do so love the sound of 3 shells plonking off the armor and realizing I only have MG fire left. (But you now have the tank fully targeted at 97% chance.) Once in while you do get lucky and, yeah, the bazooka teams sometimes do work...It's quite satisfying when they finally take down a tank. German tank crews tend to be killed with no mercy though.


Before you get too attached to those bazookas, Haruntaiwan--the Italians don't get them, at least pre-armstice. The best they have for infantry-based AT weapons is gas bombs. Ugh. The Para Libicis are about as good as it gets there, and after that, it goes downhill in a hurry.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 6:35:41 PM   
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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 6:40:23 PM   
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That site is quite informative on the italians I believe the french were also about the same level as the Italians it's just hard to stop a million and a half men when they go through Belgium past your static line of defence (Maginot Line).

But it is funny looking at their old ww2 service guns they always liked to make strange firearms, hell it is even thought of that they invented the first assault rifle the "Cei-Rigotti" though very little info exsists to prove that .The first"military service assault rifle" the Russian Federov Avtomat which only about 3000 were produced and it fired the old Japanese Japanese Arisaka 6.5×50 mm rifle cartridge. Now the germans they just perfected it with the Sturmgewehr 44 7.92x33mm Kurz "short". .


Yeah, the comandosupremo site is usually the first place I go when looking for information on the Italians. French tanks were actually a *lot* better than their Italian counterparts at the start of the war. The Somua and in particular, the Char B even gave German tanks a run for their money. I just don't think the French had enough of them or placed them well enough to stop the Germans. And the French did stop the Italians cold when they decided to jump in and get some of the spoils. The Italians couldn't bypass their end of the Maginot line on the French border so they got a black eye internationally cause their million man army couldn't deliver the goods when it came to prime time.

As far as weaponry, the Italians seem to do alright. Their MAB submachine gun was pretty good and their 90mm AA gun was good as well. Can't speak for much else.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 6:41:49 PM   
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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 6:43:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes. Italians have 20mm Solothurn AT-rifles. They can drop off light British tanks, but Mathildas will most likely wreak havoc at Italian lines. Italians have also a theoretical chance to assault a tank with an engineer squad, but this is a rumor.

I had canucks on delaying action against Italian advance and won easily. I didn't lose a single soldier in that fight. (I just think that long campaigns are for those who want to humiliate the computer opponent).

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 6:44:51 PM   
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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 6:56:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would be damn hard for a person to play PBEM as italy against the americans or even the axis, I mean 2 platoons of Tiger 2s would be a problem but a company hell the Japs had better tanks than the italians lol.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 7:00:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Italian player could still put his engineers to create a minefield. There is still a relatively good chance for the Italian side to win a defensive battle. I have never tried to attack as Italians, perhaps I try someday.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 7:53:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well today Italy is doing bad I can't believe the american government chose the Italian Beretta M92FS as our standard sidearm we should be using the old .45 at least it can actually stop you dead in your tracks the 9mm/.35 has stopping power similar a tiny bit better than a .22LR, when it is a FMJ 124 M882 grain round that is I have ran tests with CorBon 115 grain self defense JHP ammo. that would drop you pretty quick always expands at least 3/4s if not all of it coming out of a 5 inch barrel even has a velocity of about 1400fps. Usually leaves behind fragments of the jacket in your body :(. The only reason why my beloved Sig Sauer P226 didn't get chosen at the XM Trials was because of it's price.

You know what the Navy Seals say "You're not a navy seal until you tasted italian steel " That saying exsists cause it is known to blow up in your face I think there was 3 reported cases of it.

I love firearms as much as I love military history just a crazy person haha.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 8:08:13 PM   
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If i'm not mistaken the MG3 is a remake of the old MG-42 but chambered for 7.62 Nato, and I imagine it still has that 1200 RPM hehe.



If I recall correctly the US M-60 is almost and exact copy of the MG 42.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 8:16:04 PM   
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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 8:17:32 PM   
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You know what the Navy Seals say "You're not a navy seal until you tasted italian steel " That saying exsists cause it is known to blow up in your face I think there was 3 reported cases of it.



That was classified as a "teething problem", caused by weak materials used in the slide. That problem has since been rectified.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 8:21:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah you are right it is based on the same same system roller locking also has a upgraded belt feeding system taken from the 42, I heard the allies in ww2 tried to make a .30-06 mg-42 variant but I guess they only made a prototype and I only heard that once so it must be a myth.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/17/2005 8:29:37 PM   
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That was classified as a "teething problem", caused by weak materials used in the slide. That problem has since been rectified.


Glocks still do it my buddies 19 just bought it brand new and the slide crack it's all the polymer junk! (Even though Beretta is steel still never wrote a explanation as to why it cracks etc.) That's why I like the Sig Sauer extremely accurate, never has a malfunction and if you ever fired the .357Sig round it is as deadly as a .357 mag if not more so. ammo is just so damn expensive I never plink with it very often, I have to stick with my .40 auto

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 12:45:46 AM   
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Erm, the Italians didn't have to pass the Maginot line, but the Alps on the Italian-French border...


I was wondering if someone was going to ask me to clarify that. I just read a book earlier this week that talked about how the French built a Maginot line-type defense on their border with Italy. I believe it was in "Italian Armored Vehicles
of World War Two" by Nicola Pignato since I just purchased it.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 12:52:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sure, they had fixed defences on the Franco-Italian border, but nothing on the order of the Maginot. Didn't need them, either, since they had the natural defences to help them out!

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 4:03:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I am not mistaken the quad .50s were strickly for AA and prohibited from firing at infantry by the Geneva convention. Also US doctrine prohibited it from firing at infantry it was an anti-equipment weapon, for use against lightly armored vehicles and such, but I know of instances were gunners were firing at infantry weapons and webgear (not the person) LOL

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 1:21:53 PM   
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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 5:03:22 PM   
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I played PBEM Italy vs. Anzac and it was a draw. Summer 42 in North Africa, small map, little over 1000 points. Main reason for draw was that I had four 88's (yes, Italians have few of them!) that took out few Matildas and were able to slow the others. Tanks were useless against Matildas but against AC's they were ok. And 13,2mm HMG's...mmm....

Italy is not all bad




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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 5:12:25 PM   
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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 5:13:24 PM   
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I played PBEM Italy vs. Anzac and it was a draw. Summer 42 in North Africa, small map, little over 1000 points. Main reason for draw was that I had four 88's (yes, Italians have few of them!) that took out few Matildas and were able to slow the others. Tanks were useless against Matildas but against AC's they were ok. And 13,2mm HMG's...mmm....

Italy is not all bad






Heh. I know Italy isn't all bad--otherwise I wouldn't play them.

That being said, try playing Italians without 88s or 90s against Matildas. Even Brit cruiser tanks pose a problem.

You're right, though, Italian tanks can mop up against British ACs--if they can keep up. And yes, the 13.2mgs were very nice. I've found them to be one of the most effective Italian infantry weapons out there. They just decimate opposing infantry and can really suppress enemy armor if used correctly.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 5:14:06 PM   
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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 5:32:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I heard a nasty rumour that the 13.2 was never used as an infantry weapon- only mounted on vehicles.

Recently read stories about the Tobruk siege; how the Australians would watch the Italians sowing mines, then go out at night, lift the mines and use them to patch gaps in the defensive minefield. After a while they got smart. They would watch the Italians sow half the minefield then at night go out and nick the unlaid mines (neatly stockpiled).

Many of the captured Italian guns in Tobruk were left abandoned with no sights. No problem! The Aussies would go out at night and steal sights from the Italian guns.

The big problem at this time was the Indians. They would also be out on patrol at night and sometimes come across patrols from other armies. If a quick search of the collar found the Australian brass collar badge the victim would be left with a pat on the shoulder and "all right Aussie" otherwise the victim would be quickly and silently dispatched. Nobody ever heard them come or go.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 5:36:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah... I have Osprey's Tobruk 1941, which is a very fine description of the Australian phase of the siege.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/18/2005 5:54:16 PM   
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I was however little disppointed with the battle, but that was because Col.Nicholson was probably the British commander.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/19/2005 8:46:56 AM   
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No, just mostly bad!



Ok, agreed. I don't want to fight with that (...with the Italians )

It is too true that without 90s and 88s their AT capability is close to zero. Few engineers and ardities can stop Matildas, if they are lucky... but not in desert situation with good visibility... If there are no Matildas, it is possible, but still hard job to do. And in PBEM I'd be fool if I wouldn't take at least few Matildas.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/19/2005 4:44:25 PM   
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Nice summary of Italian AT capabilities there, Korpraali.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/19/2005 4:48:47 PM   
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I heard a nasty rumour that the 13.2 was never used as an infantry weapon- only mounted on vehicles.


I think I have heard the same thing, Major. I know the MG42 was primarily a vehicle mounted weapon as was the .50 but we see them both used as infantry weapons in the game. One thing I will point out about the Italians that I know to be true is that the MGs that their early armor carried (6.5 and 8mm mgs) on the L3 tankettes included bipods mounted to the back of the tankette for mg use outside of the L3. That "feature" was discontinued in later versions of the L3. The 13.2 may have been used in fixed positions, but making it available as an infantry unit is a little gamey.

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RE: Initial Impressions of a Noob - 8/19/2005 4:50:40 PM   
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