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RE: Japan starts to lose its common sphere - 11/4/2005 9:07:22 PM

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Interesting sitrep in China. I believe I will try *not* to kill Chinese units but rather retreat them into offroad places where they will be useless.

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RE: Japan starts to lose its common sphere - 11/4/2005 9:10:41 PM

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All the retreat doors have been already shut months ago...no way to reopen them again...

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RE: Japan starts to lose its common sphere - 11/4/2005 9:30:11 PM

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I know you can't fix your conundrum. But I'm going to learn from your boo-boo.

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The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 1:05:33 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/09/42

And so the day came. Operation Blue Heart begun. The final attack at Chungking is underway.
We've been quite lucky...just a bit. Good weather over central China let my bombers strike Chungking. The attack that followed the iron rain wasn't the greatest i've ever seen, but however we've made some progresses. 0-1 but forts are down to level 2...which is already something good. A defence multiplier is gone forever. I've lost an incredible number of engeneers ( mostly disabled) and some good infantry squads, but the shape of the army is somehow still decent. in one day we've lost 1300 Assault points

...( see screenshot). Now we need at least 2 weeks to recover a bit. We'll keep bombardining the place with everything that fires untill the next push. The city can be conquered. I just gotta pay attention now to my bases....if i was him i'll start a massive bombing capaign in china...Sining and Lanchow are operative again...the weather is hurting me so much in northern China

In I.O. it's clearly a trap. His CVs keep on going up and down...he's waiting for me.

I won't come my friend

At Tongarapu my naval guard units committed a mass banzai charge and not a single man survived...better the death than become an alive training camp for his fighters!

BANZAI!

LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!

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Ground combat at Tongarapu

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2049 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 12872 troops, 110 guns, 30 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese ground losses:
496 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 479776 troops, 5423 guns, 199 vehicles

Defending force 119607 troops, 446 guns, 20 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese ground losses:
14293 casualties reported

Guns lost 318
Vehicles lost 12

Allied ground losses:
3245 casualties reported
Guns lost 51

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 12:29:46 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/10-11/42

Today the american CVs are spotted. At least 2 of them are at Nandi( Fiji). It's very probable that his next targets in the pacific will be Canton Islands,Pago Pago,Wallis or Nanumea Atoll...will try to make a plan to counterattack.
Tarawa is growing up fast. Forts are already almost at level 8 and with 1000 Assault points in it,CD guns and AA units it won't be an easy target. The real problem, as always, is that he will first get Baker and Nanoumea, and then, when this places will be built up, he will send hordes of 4Es over tarawa....
However, if he's attacking here...NG should be a little more secure.... I gotta be flexible and be ready to intercept his next invasion convoy with my CVs.... that's my only hope to stop his advance.

The other 2 big problems are, as always, Oz and the area between Burma and Java.
About Oz...well...he's bombing my divisions at Daily back to Stone age. In 2 days i'll be ready to place some CAP over there...52 A6M3s and 36 Tonies...nothing that can really stop him, but at least a "deterrent"( does this word make any sense for you??)

Burma is basically a hell. My units get plastered every day by his outstanding air forces. There's no way to come back there with my fighters....i doubt i will be able to stop another invasion of Burma....

China...well...at Chungking my army is now at 7550 APs...recovering quite fast. As soon as we get back to 8000 APs and our eng are recovered we'll launch another attack to break down those forts again...it will be a pain guys...and the success is less than achieved.

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 426255 troops, 4760 guns, 46 vehicles

Defending force 113602 troops, 358 guns, 22 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported

these results are horrible...with 5000 arty pieces only 77 casualities?!?!?!?!?!?!

In the map you can see the US CVs at Nandi ( Fijii)

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 5:04:11 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/12-13/42

two more days.
Nothing really happened. The yanks keep on training their aircrews at Suva, while his CVs apparently still station at Nandi.
A lot of british baits in I.O....i won't eat

In Burma and Oz, the usual bombing raids against my troops. In 3 days we'll move some CAP into Daily...too bad it's impossible to ambush the allies cause he will know that i put planes into one AF the turn before

Allied subminelaying activities around Gili Gili.
Moving troops, supplies and fuel to Tarawa.
At Chungking we're a 7700 APs...rising quite fast!
4 more fortress shot down in the last 2 days at Chungking.
HI pool is back at 77000

...even with everything switched on! Was a problem of resources....
In few more days the KI-45a Nick will be available. Do not know if i can use these planes for CAP duties also during the day...anyone knows?

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 5:28:03 PM

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Yes you can, they are quite useful against 4e bombers, but can be a bitch to train as they are night fighters and cannot do ground attacks during day. You need an enemy airfield/port in range to train them. Hope you have a dot or a base left in enemy hands behind your lines somewhere.

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 6:43:08 PM

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Ok, Thanks String.
I have at least 3 different training camp. 1 is next to Singapore, while the other 2 are in the PI.
This is a good news. KI-45a have a gun value of 16...so better than the Tonies and i saw that you can upgrade some normal IJAF fighter groups to them..so i'm planning to bring the KI-45 production up to 90 in the next 2 months so to be able to fill at least 2 of my IJAF fighter groups with them. I will probably swicth some Experienced Tojos Sentais to Nick...cause the Tojos have prooved with their 12 gun value to be under the required standards of this war so far.

Any tips about Chungking? After the first results do you think i'll be ever able to get it? Even if the damned base is costantl supplied by B-17s that i'm unable to stop?

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 7:03:40 PM

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It looks good, doesn't it?

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 7:29:48 PM

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Chungking? Well, I think you wont be able to get it as you cannot concentrate all your forces to it. But one can never be sure. Constant airfield and ground attacks combined with constand bombardments and deliberate attacks whenever your troops recover, might reduce the place. You also have to apply a lot of pressure on the airfields if you want it to remain damaged. Each chinese corps has a number of engineers embedded in it and with 61 units there, the number of engineers there can easily be over 5-600. Enough to repair moderate airfield damage within a turn and build up forts to boot.

Indeed, scrape together whatever air unit you can find and send it after Chungking. I hope you have some good airbases with good support nearby. It will have the added benefit of giving you some really good pilots for low losses as the chinese have very little AA.

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 7:29:56 PM

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Yeah a nice looking plane Gen

Interesting on the Tojo's/Tonies. I will be receiving them in my game vs swift in a bout a month's time.

Have you found that both offensively/defensively the Tony outperforms the Tojo? Against every time of plane? Either of them better vs bombers or fighters etc?

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 7:34:45 PM

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I think I can agree on Hoepners asessment on Tojo/Tony. I got the same feeling in my game vs andy that the tojo is more fragile and doesn't do as much as the Tony. Besides, the Tojo has shorter range. I however didn't have PDU on so I had to accept what I had, and Tojos sure were better than oscars.

edit: Btw, i think that picture is of the "c" version of the nick. They had the cannon angled upwards which was of great use against 4e bombers

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 7:41:10 PM

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Oh, one more thing. Where are your tank units? They should help a bit in Chungking i guess. You also should get your two tank divisions soon. If you are lucky they will arrive at 1/3 strength (atleast they did for me) and you can convert them to burma command with ease. Then, when they are in a big nonmalarial base, with lots of supplies and command HQ (to which the divisions are assigned) present, they should fill out within a few months.

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/5/2005 8:33:59 PM

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Luckly my main base near Chungking ( 3 hexes of distance), Kweyang, has been built up to level 8 and ut has 500 AV support. I have plenty of support there and the 3rd Tank Div is already on its way, while the 1st one, at full strenght is at Singapore.

The AF is bombed every day by almost 400 bombers...no way to reopen it. I have 300 fighters to cover the Chungking operations...probably i'll move in 2 more sentais as soon as they get to 70 Exp.

Thanks for the input guys

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/6/2005 11:46:39 AM

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This is a good news. KI-45a have a gun value of 16...so better than the Tonies and i saw that you can upgrade some normal IJAF fighter groups to them..so i'm planning to bring the KI-45 production up to 90 in the next 2 months so to be able to fill at least 2 of my IJAF fighter groups with them. I will probably swicth some Experienced Tojos Sentais to Nick...cause the Tojos have prooved with their 12 gun value to be under the required standards of this war so far.

I do not know what i had smoked before typing these words....

"normal fighters" CANNOT be upgraded to night-fighters...so i'm gonna have only 3 sentais of Nicks in the next 150 days....so 45 KI-45as/month would be more than enough

sorry for the mistake

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/6/2005 1:07:30 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/14-15/42

Ok, we managed to sink 2 subs near Bonin Island. This time my ASW groups, composed by APDs and DDs did a pretty good job. Well done!

He keeps training his fighters at Suva...but now some british torpedo bombers appear there...can mean he's transfered some Brit CVs in the Pacific....mmm...and a 4 ships( CA) TF has been spotted some 360 miles north west of Exmouth...going south...could be a british TF...so probably he's concentrating his CV force in the pacific.... gotta be ready
A lot of APs have been spotted at Nandi with his CVs....means that he's moving his divisions somewhere else...all my CVs at Rabaul have been refueled and are ready to move. Tomorrow i'll decide if it's the case to load up again the 17th Army at Truk..... it's sure that he will do something before the end of the year!

At Chungking my army is at 7900 APs...few days and we'll be ready to attack again. The bombers have intesified their action, but losses are becoming again prohibitive due to the fatigue of my crews....

In Burma...the same old story

At Daily now that i've placed some 36 Tonies and 52 A6M3s he's not attacking anymore...probably he's resting his 4Es for a big clash....we'll see...i cannot do anything more than this: delay as long as i can his movements towards Darwin.

What else? oh yes...one of my ML got a mine at Port Moresby and now is slowly sinking...

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/6/2005 3:54:05 PM

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Nothing important to report.

His CVs keep stationing at Nandi. I'm moving the whole KB to Shortlands so that i'll be closer if he dares to attack somewhere between Nanoumea Atoll and Canton Island.
If he goes for Pago Pago i won't move a single hair to defend it.

At Daily the presence of my fighters made some results: his troops are moving back to Alice!

At Chungking...the army is almost ready ( 8000 APs reached). i'll wait for 2 days in a row of good weather so that i'll have a good bombing umbrella and i'll attack.

Burma...the same old boring story.

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/7/2005 8:50:59 AM

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His CVs are still at Nandi. Mines at Shortland. I bet his next move will be north of Fiji...but i wonder how can i have to move....

Tomorrow we'll attack Chungking again. the Army is back at 8120 APs and the forecast says clear weather...let's hope Wotan will be on my side.

He doesn't attack Daily anymore...he's retreating again

Now i need to defend these places:

-Central Pacific ( south of Tarawa)
-Burma
-Western Sumatra and Java
-Exmouth
-NG and Solomons

Not an easy task...not at all...........

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/7/2005 2:35:13 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/19/42

Finally a good news among hundreds of bad ones. Chungking keep on falling

Today we managed to get 1-1 and forts are down to level 1. That means that with 2 forts and with the city terrain bonus we are at the same AP levels...now we'll wait again a pair of weeks. Recovering my engeneers and waiting for some more supplies to come from the backlines.
I do not expect anything easy however. I know that to get the base i need a 2-1 and it won't be easy.
However if Chungking would fall then the Chinese campaign will be, more or less, over and i could bring back most of my IJAF to defend Burma... let's cross our fingers

At Fiji he's building up a new base...it will be difficult to stop its next advance...

My CVs have been spotted by his Conrados from Lungaville

...moving them back to Buin....

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 469630 troops, 5096 guns, 193 vehicles

Defending force 111034 troops, 336 guns, 22 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Japanese ground losses:
15915 casualties reported
Guns lost 381
Vehicles lost 14

Allied ground losses:
4685 casualties reported
Guns lost 47

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/7/2005 3:25:57 PM

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Looks like China will be yours Gen. Good job

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/7/2005 3:36:12 PM

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Looks like China will be yours Gen. Good job

Steven

Do not say it yet, please

...If i was him i'd have many ideas how to stop this japanese meatgrinder...so better to cross the fingers and hope he won't do anything wise

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/7/2005 3:41:48 PM

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oh, forgot to say...the Chungking army is now at 6900 APs...seems that we lose 1300/1400 APs to each assault under the present conditions and we can recover at least 700 APs in 2 weeks

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/7/2005 3:45:51 PM

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Looks like China will be yours Gen. Good job

Steven

Do not say it yet, please...If i was him i'd have many ideas how to stop this japanese meatgrinder...so better to cross the fingers and hope he won't do anything wise

It'll be yours Gen I assure you. Ooops shouldn't have said that. Ah well it's been said now

Seriously with the results you have achieved and the number of men there it will fall baring a miracle or massive Allied intervention IMO.

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/8/2005 12:52:37 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/20-21/42

The only news is that i made a good trick at Suva

. I managed to make Suva transfered under allied controll...so no more easy training...no no no

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/8/2005 8:41:52 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/22-23/42

Nothing much happened. His "turbo engeneers" are building up bases in the pacific at a incredible pace! Soon Nanumea atoll will be in range of his bombers

and i bet the same fate will drop upon Tulagi and Munda. I'm really puzzled. Do not know what to do. He's clearly not risking his CVs in any risky big landing operation. He just stays in range of his LBbombers and jump, dot base by dot base, towards my positions. I do not know how to use, under these conditions, my 17th Army and my KB. I'd really like to give a counterpunch somewhere, but i do not see any chance of inflicting to him any real damage without risking the safety of my CVs against his HUGE 4Es force.
I'm also considering the idea of striking somewhere where he doesn't think i'm strong...but where? I do not feel confortable about the idea of leaving NG, the Solomons and the Marshalls without the cover of my combined fleet......
any ideas?

At Chungking m army is back already at 7500APs, while my air force keeps Chungking suppressed and my planes cover with the LRCAP umbrella. In one week we'll be able to attack again...and i'm sure he's running out of supplies by now! No more b-17s flying in! They're now killing my men in Burma

Nothing moves in I.O. or Bengal Bay.

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/8/2005 2:54:43 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/24/42

He's advancing at a pace that i cannot even imagine. Another atoll fell today, attacked by 300 marine paras. Now Nanoumea is in danger and probably it will soon been bombed by his bombers...as soon as the new atoll of Nukufetau will be built to level 3/4....
Recon started today at Pago Pago...surely another of his targets.
I cannot just wait and see him conquering my whole dominions. Gotta do something.
Operation "Shrinking Silk" approoved and launched today. risky and predictable, but i have no choices.
The whole17th Army is being loaded on transports at Truk. Will move tomorrow for Tarawa. Betties and Zeros have been placed at Tarawa. Fuel and supplies are coming.
The KB along with a BB TF leaded by Takeda is moving towards Tarawa. Will wait untill i see the new base growing and enough allied troops stuck in...then i'll invade. I will be under the threat of 4Es from FiJi...but i do not see any other way of doing something at the moment.

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Ground combat at Nukufetau

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 260 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 38 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Nukufetau base !!!

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/8/2005 3:43:53 PM

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Nothing new. Ships at Santa Cruz Arcipelago...means new bases are arising

unbelievable

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/8/2005 3:47:25 PM

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Whatever you do, don't panic

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/8/2005 3:49:44 PM

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I do not. But this will probably be the last attempt of an offensive operation. I feel already under HUGE risks, cause i know even 200 zeros won't be enough against 400Es escorted by 100 p-38s...so my KB will be in real danger. But if i do not try to stop his advance he'll soon be bombing Tarawa and i cannot let him ...not in 42!

Incredible how fast the tide has changed uh?!

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RE: The Chinese MeatGrinder - 11/8/2005 3:52:29 PM

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I do not. But this will probably be the last attempt of an offensive operation. I feel already under HUGE risks, cause i know even 200 zeros won't be enough against 400Es escorted by 100 p-38s...so my KB will be in real danger. But if i do not try to stop his advance he'll soon be bombing Tarawa and i cannot let him ...not in 42!

Incredible how fast the tide has changed uh?!

200 zeroes WON't be enough. They might kill those P-38's, but they wouldn't help against those 400 bombers even if they were unescorted. They are bound to achieve some hits if they come at 6k feet. That is ofcourse, if all 400 launch in a single strike and he indeed has 400 bombers to launch at you.

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